Originally Posted by VNORTH2
John V Wrote

I believe all that is good about religion and faith is about our search for God and attempts to lead just and moral lives, while everything bad is due to humanity's imperfections.



John, I’m not sure religion/faith is about our search for God...as a born again Christian, by faith, and not by evidence, I believe in the existence of God, as does every other Christian believe in God by faith...it would be great if God revealed himself to mankind but I don’t see any overwhelming evidence of a search for God

As far as attempts to lead moral lives, I don’t see that anywhere....humans, given the removal of laws will immediately reveal their lack of morals....everything bad is about the immorality existing within each of us that is only kept in check by our laws and the consequences when we break them

If by imperfections. You mean evil, I agree..we know right from wrong but, when there are no laws, we invariably exploit our evil side...in the year 2024, that is a truth on which you can depend[i][/i]

("2 Thessalonians 2;
5)Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6)And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7)For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8)And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.")

The evidence is all around us...

We all instinctively know how bad things could be, and plainly see how badly things are progressing. Without the Spirit there would be no truth, no reason for law...