Neither of you have proven anything in your mammoth back and forth nor given an inch so as I see things, Marty is right so far.

He stands as an agnostic, his position is that no human mind can prove or disprove God, and he moves on, perhaps practicing his faith in a way that comes to terms with what he does not know.

I'm on your side in a way Japov, except I don't believe our One Shared God is bound by or limited by The Bible or any holy book.

I said earlier I see God expressed and manifested thought our shared history with other cultures and civilizations and systems of belief with great similarities at their cores

In this I don't build a wall around my beliefs for the purpose of bolstering my faith. My faith is strengthened when I see others around the world believing in One God and or Supreme Reality they have arrived at independently, a system of belief that provides for a moral centre and admirable codes of conduct.

In this I see us all simply accidents of birth, a genetic package both into a situation and set of circumstances that begin to make you who you are.

After that, you make your choices, and live and die with them. You become what you do, what you are seen to do by others.

If writing ever becomes work I think I'm going to have to stop