Originally Posted by John Voorpostel
Martin, that you consult your own biased sources is clear here. Gavin actually did list some solid facts that you repudiate.

Now I'm not going to knot my knickers up going point for point with you. I know your bottom line is clarification.

But simply saying that the majority of Gavin's post is simply vapour does not invalidate them. Simply saying he was not there does not invalidate reports based on eye witness accounts and reported on. That "millions want to see someone scrutinize the hell out of this" is also out of bounds. Using your own logic, have you talked to these millions of people? I've only seen Trump and his sycophants rage on without proof...and yes, demonstrations by Reps who want to have all votes counted or have counting stop...depending on where they are protesting. But where do you think they got the idea? It was not spontaneous, it was not about what they saw. It was all about what Trump said all along about voter fraud and repeated when he firct claimed victory early Wednesday morning and then began to walk back on the basis of the Dems stealing the election.

Oh and Gavin...I agree that German beer is mostly better. Big fan of Radeberger & Beck's. The Netherlands has some Trappist beers that are marvellous, but Heineken, although it is a worldwide brand and one of the big three world breweries is a rare find in my place. Actually getting into non alcoholic beer. Clausthaler is a nice one


Yeah, German beer is good, but pretty much all the same because of the purity laws. I was in the Netherlands for work about once a week for many years, but would try to make it over the border to Belgium before it was time for a beer smile

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