Originally Posted by John Voorpostel
Martin, that you consult your own biased sources is clear here. Gavin actually did list some solid facts that you repudiate.

Now I'm not going to knot my knickers up going point for point with you. I know your bottom line is clarification.

But simply saying that the majority of Gavin's post is simply vapour does not invalidate them. Simply saying he was not there does not invalidate reports based on eye witness accounts and reported on. That "millions want to see someone scrutinize the hell out of this" is also out of bounds. Using your own logic, have you talked to these millions of people? I've only seen Trump and his sycophants rage on without proof...and yes, demonstrations by Reps who want to have all votes counted or have counting stop...depending on where they are protesting. But where do you think they got the idea? It was not spontaneous, it was not about what they saw. It was all about what Trump said all along about voter fraud and repeated when he firct claimed victory early Wednesday morning and then began to walk back on the basis of the Dems stealing the election.

Oh and Gavin...I agree that German beer is mostly better. Big fan of Radeberger & Beck's. The Netherlands has some Trappist beers that are marvellous, but Heineken, although it is a worldwide brand and one of the big three world breweries is a rare find in my place. Actually getting into non alcoholic beer. Clausthaler is a nice one



John

You and Gavin have your "eyewitnesses." The repubs have theirs. It's all vapor right now. It's a propaganda war at this point.
I know that all sources including mine are biased and I made that point to Gavin. He and you dont seem to recognize the fallibility of your sources.

I'm hoping against hope that the courts set a course that will get some sober people in their to see what is or is not there. And now your asking me if I have talked to millions of people in retort. That's a vaporous retort. Do you not agree?


Gavin had no solid points because he doesnt know. Neither do I. Please read that and remember it, when you counter my beliefs. I'm not sure what to believe.

But the prospect that I was alive when political machines stole a presidential election is so burning that I and many people are not about to give you and Gavin the "old okie doke" when you tell us all is well. There is a credible way to connect the dots from where I sit that looks real bad and should be cleared up.

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