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by Fdemetrio - 10/23/25 07:17 PM
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How I write now First get groceries for the week Write a hook and angle 1/ ask AI if angle and hook has been done I get 2 answers 1 / No it hasn't 2/ Yes but you might beat whats been done 1/ is the best answer Then I write the song , first I turn the radio on with 25 country hits It takes about 3 hours Then I get AI to run grammar , you have to allow slang , or AI comes back with formal lines to my lines Then I run each line to see if each lines makes sense If I get a no answer , I correct it , run it again till it says yes it makes sense Now song is complete I ask whats the best promts for suno for this song Example/ “Modern outlaw country with a 70s feel, acoustic rhythm guitar, walking bass line, and raspy male singer confessing his sins on the highway.” By doing this method I save time and decide which song I can record myself using a guitar vocal I can usually crank out 2 to 3 songs in a 16 hour period.
I can keep that pace for 4 to 5 days , then crash for 20 hours Its basically working smarter than harder
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That looks a good organized and workable approach and you have been productive. We benefit.
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ha ha ha I live off coffee
thanks man
"Critics are like toothpicks , Disposable ". "Jealousy is the mother of invention" "Counting Time Will kill You " " Dogs know you better than you know yourself " " If I told you once I told you twice . I didn't like what you said the first time.
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The Census of Israel's Warriors
(Numbers 26:1-4)
1And the LORD spake unto Moses in the wilderness of Sinai, in the tabernacle of the congregation, on the first day of the second month, in the second year after they were come out of the land of Egypt, saying, 2Take ye the sum of all the congregation of the children of Israel, after their families, by the house of their fathers, with the number of their names, every male by their polls; 3From twenty years old and upward, all that are able to go forth to war in Israel: thou and Aaron shall number them by their armies. 4And with you there shall be a man of every tribe; every one head of the house of his fathers.
The Princes of the Tribes
5And these are the names of the men that shall stand with you: of the tribe of Reuben; Elizur the son of Shedeur. 6Of Simeon; Shelumiel the son of Zurishaddai. 7Of Judah; Nahshon the son of Amminadab. 8Of Issachar; Nethaneel the son of Zuar. 9Of Zebulun; Eliab the son of Helon. 10Of the children of Joseph: of Ephraim; Elishama the son of Ammihud: of Manasseh; Gamaliel the son of Pedahzur. 11Of Benjamin; Abidan the son of Gideoni. 12Of Dan; Ahiezer the son of Ammishaddai. 13Of Asher; Pagiel the son of Ocran. 14Of Gad; Eliasaph the son of Deuel. 15Of Naphtali; Ahira the son of Enan. 16These were the renowned of the congregation, princes of the tribes of their fathers, heads of thousands in Israel.
The Number of Every Tribe
17And Moses and Aaron took these men which are expressed by their names: 18And they assembled all the congregation together on the first day of the second month, and they declared their pedigrees after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, from twenty years old and upward, by their polls. 19As the LORD commanded Moses, so he numbered them in the wilderness of Sinai.
20And the children of Reuben, Israel's eldest son, by their generations, after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, by their polls, every male from twenty years old and upward, all that were able to go forth to war; 21Those that were numbered of them, even of the tribe of Reuben, were forty and six thousand and five hundred.
22Of the children of Simeon, by their generations, after their families, by the house of their fathers, those that were numbered of them, according to the number of the names, by their polls, every male from twenty years old and upward, all that were able to go forth to war; 23Those that were numbered of them, even of the tribe of Simeon, were fifty and nine thousand and three hundred.
24Of the children of Gad, by their generations, after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, from twenty years old and upward, all that were able to go forth to war; 25Those that were numbered of them, even of the tribe of Gad, were forty and five thousand six hundred and fifty.
26Of the children of Judah, by their generations, after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, from twenty years old and upward, all that were able to go forth to war; 27Those that were numbered of them, even of the tribe of Judah, were threescore and fourteen thousand and six hundred.
28Of the children of Issachar, by their generations, after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, from twenty years old and upward, all that were able to go forth to war; 29Those that were numbered of them, even of the tribe of Issachar, were fifty and four thousand and four hundred.
30Of the children of Zebulun, by their generations, after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, from twenty years old and upward, all that were able to go forth to war; 31Those that were numbered of them, even of the tribe of Zebulun, were fifty and seven thousand and four hundred.
32Of the children of Joseph, namely, of the children of Ephraim, by their generations, after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, from twenty years old and upward, all that were able to go forth to war; 33Those that were numbered of them, even of the tribe of Ephraim, were forty thousand and five hundred.
34Of the children of Manasseh, by their generations, after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, from twenty years old and upward, all that were able to go forth to war; 35Those that were numbered of them, even of the tribe of Manasseh, were thirty and two thousand and two hundred.
36Of the children of Benjamin, by their generations, after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, from twenty years old and upward, all that were able to go forth to war; 37Those that were numbered of them, even of the tribe of Benjamin, were thirty and five thousand and four hundred.
38Of the children of Dan, by their generations, after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, from twenty years old and upward, all that were able to go forth to war; 39Those that were numbered of them, even of the tribe of Dan, were threescore and two thousand and seven hundred.
40Of the children of Asher, by their generations, after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, from twenty years old and upward, all that were able to go forth to war; 41Those that were numbered of them, even of the tribe of Asher, were forty and one thousand and five hundred.
42Of the children of Naphtali, throughout their generations, after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, from twenty years old and upward, all that were able to go forth to war; 43Those that were numbered of them, even of the tribe of Naphtali, were fifty and three thousand and four hundred.
44These are those that were numbered, which Moses and Aaron numbered, and the princes of Israel, being twelve men: each one was for the house of his fathers. 45So were all those that were numbered of the children of Israel, by the house of their fathers, from twenty years old and upward, all that were able to go forth to war in Israel; 46Even all they that were numbered were six hundred thousand and three thousand and five hundred and fifty.
Levites Exempted
47But the Levites after the tribe of their fathers were not numbered among them. 48For the LORD had spoken unto Moses, saying, 49Only thou shalt not number the tribe of Levi, neither take the sum of them among the children of Israel: 50But thou shalt appoint the Levites over the tabernacle of testimony, and over all the vessels thereof, and over all things that belong to it: they shall bear the tabernacle, and all the vessels thereof; and they shall minister unto it, and shall encamp round about the tabernacle. 51And when the tabernacle setteth forward, the Levites shall take it down: and when the tabernacle is to be pitched, the Levites shall set it up: and the stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death. 52And the children of Israel shall pitch their tents, every man by his own camp, and every man by his own standard, throughout their hosts. 53But the Levites shall pitch round about the tabernacle of testimony, that there be no wrath upon the congregation of the children of Israel: and the Levites shall keep the charge of the tabernacle of testimony. 54And the children of Israel did according to all that the LORD commanded Moses, so did they.
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Nothing to do with writing songs Tony and modern procedures
"Critics are like toothpicks , Disposable ". "Jealousy is the mother of invention" "Counting Time Will kill You " " Dogs know you better than you know yourself " " If I told you once I told you twice . I didn't like what you said the first time.
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Offerings of Dedication
1And it came to pass on the day that Moses had fully set up the tabernacle, and had anointed it, and sanctified it, and all the instruments thereof, both the altar and all the vessels thereof, and had anointed them, and sanctified them; 2That the princes of Israel, heads of the house of their fathers, who were the princes of the tribes, and were over them that were numbered, offered: 3And they brought their offering before the LORD, six covered wagons, and twelve oxen; a wagon for two of the princes, and for each one an ox: and they brought them before the tabernacle. 4And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 5Take it of them, that they may be to do the service of the tabernacle of the congregation; and thou shalt give them unto the Levites, to every man according to his service. 6And Moses took the wagons and the oxen, and gave them unto the Levites. 7Two wagons and four oxen he gave unto the sons of Gershon, according to their service: 8And four wagons and eight oxen he gave unto the sons of Merari, according unto their service, under the hand of Ithamar the son of Aaron the priest. 9But unto the sons of Kohath he gave none: because the service of the sanctuary belonging unto them was that they should bear upon their shoulders.
10And the princes offered for dedicating of the altar in the day that it was anointed, even the princes offered their offering before the altar. 11And the LORD said unto Moses, They shall offer their offering, each prince on his day, for the dedicating of the altar.
12And he that offered his offering the first day was Nahshon the son of Amminadab, of the tribe of Judah: 13And his offering was one silver charger, the weight thereof was an hundred and thirty shekels, one silver bowl of seventy shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary; both of them were full of fine flour mingled with oil for a meat offering: 14One spoon of ten shekels of gold, full of incense: 15One young bullock, one ram, one lamb of the first year, for a burnt offering: 16One kid of the goats for a sin offering: 17And for a sacrifice of peace offerings, two oxen, five rams, five he goats, five lambs of the first year: this was the offering of Nahshon the son of Amminadab.
18On the second day Nethaneel the son of Zuar, prince of Issachar, did offer: 19He offered for his offering one silver charger, the weight whereof was an hundred and thirty shekels, one silver bowl of seventy shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary; both of them full of fine flour mingled with oil for a meat offering: 20One spoon of gold of ten shekels, full of incense: 21One young bullock, one ram, one lamb of the first year, for a burnt offering: 22One kid of the goats for a sin offering: 23And for a sacrifice of peace offerings, two oxen, five rams, five he goats, five lambs of the first year: this was the offering of Nethaneel the son of Zuar.
24On the third day Eliab the son of Helon, prince of the children of Zebulun, did offer: 25His offering was one silver charger, the weight whereof was an hundred and thirty shekels, one silver bowl of seventy shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary; both of them full of fine flour mingled with oil for a meat offering: 26One golden spoon of ten shekels, full of incense: 27One young bullock, one ram, one lamb of the first year, for a burnt offering: 28One kid of the goats for a sin offering: 29And for a sacrifice of peace offerings, two oxen, five rams, five he goats, five lambs of the first year: this was the offering of Eliab the son of Helon.
30On the fourth day Elizur the son of Shedeur, prince of the children of Reuben, did offer: 31His offering was one silver charger of the weight of an hundred and thirty shekels, one silver bowl of seventy shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary; both of them full of fine flour mingled with oil for a meat offering: 32One golden spoon of ten shekels, full of incense: 33One young bullock, one ram, one lamb of the first year, for a burnt offering: 34One kid of the goats for a sin offering: 35And for a sacrifice of peace offerings, two oxen, five rams, five he goats, five lambs of the first year: this was the offering of Elizur the son of Shedeur.
36On the fifth day Shelumiel the son of Zurishaddai, prince of the children of Simeon, did offer: 37His offering was one silver charger, the weight whereof was an hundred and thirty shekels, one silver bowl of seventy shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary; both of them full of fine flour mingled with oil for a meat offering: 38One golden spoon of ten shekels, full of incense: 39One young bullock, one ram, one lamb of the first year, for a burnt offering: 40One kid of the goats for a sin offering: 41And for a sacrifice of peace offerings, two oxen, five rams, five he goats, five lambs of the first year: this was the offering of Shelumiel the son of Zurishaddai.
42On the sixth day Eliasaph the son of Deuel, prince of the children of Gad, offered: 43His offering was one silver charger of the weight of an hundred and thirty shekels, a silver bowl of seventy shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary; both of them full of fine flour mingled with oil for a meat offering: 44One golden spoon of ten shekels, full of incense: 45One young bullock, one ram, one lamb of the first year, for a burnt offering: 46One kid of the goats for a sin offering: 47And for a sacrifice of peace offerings, two oxen, five rams, five he goats, five lambs of the first year: this was the offering of Eliasaph the son of Deuel.
48On the seventh day Elishama the son of Ammihud, prince of the children of Ephraim, offered: 49His offering was one silver charger, the weight whereof was an hundred and thirty shekels, one silver bowl of seventy shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary; both of them full of fine flour mingled with oil for a meat offering: 50One golden spoon of ten shekels, full of incense: 51One young bullock, one ram, one lamb of the first year, for a burnt offering: 52One kid of the goats for a sin offering: 53And for a sacrifice of peace offerings, two oxen, five rams, five he goats, five lambs of the first year: this was the offering of Elishama the son of Ammihud.
54On the eighth day offered Gamaliel the son of Pedahzur, prince of the children of Manasseh: 55His offering was one silver charger of the weight of an hundred and thirty shekels, one silver bowl of seventy shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary; both of them full of fine flour mingled with oil for a meat offering: 56One golden spoon of ten shekels, full of incense: 57One young bullock, one ram, one lamb of the first year, for a burnt offering: 58One kid of the goats for a sin offering: 59And for a sacrifice of peace offerings, two oxen, five rams, five he goats, five lambs of the first year: this was the offering of Gamaliel the son of Pedahzur.
60On the ninth day Abidan the son of Gideoni, prince of the children of Benjamin, offered: 61His offering was one silver charger, the weight whereof was an hundred and thirty shekels, one silver bowl of seventy shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary; both of them full of fine flour mingled with oil for a meat offering: 62One golden spoon of ten shekels, full of incense: 63One young bullock, one ram, one lamb of the first year, for a burnt offering: 64One kid of the goats for a sin offering: 65And for a sacrifice of peace offerings, two oxen, five rams, five he goats, five lambs of the first year: this was the offering of Abidan the son of Gideoni.
66On the tenth day Ahiezer the son of Ammishaddai, prince of the children of Dan, offered: 67His offering was one silver charger, the weight whereof was an hundred and thirty shekels, one silver bowl of seventy shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary; both of them full of fine flour mingled with oil for a meat offering: 68One golden spoon of ten shekels, full of incense: 69One young bullock, one ram, one lamb of the first year, for a burnt offering: 70One kid of the goats for a sin offering: 71And for a sacrifice of peace offerings, two oxen, five rams, five he goats, five lambs of the first year: this was the offering of Ahiezer the son of Ammishaddai.
72On the eleventh day Pagiel the son of Ocran, prince of the children of Asher, offered: 73His offering was one silver charger, the weight whereof was an hundred and thirty shekels, one silver bowl of seventy shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary; both of them full of fine flour mingled with oil for a meat offering: 74One golden spoon of ten shekels, full of incense: 75One young bullock, one ram, one lamb of the first year, for a burnt offering: 76One kid of the goats for a sin offering: 77And for a sacrifice of peace offerings, two oxen, five rams, five he goats, five lambs of the first year: this was the offering of Pagiel the son of Ocran.
78On the twelfth day Ahira the son of Enan, prince of the children of Naphtali, offered: 79His offering was one silver charger, the weight whereof was an hundred and thirty shekels, one silver bowl of seventy shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary; both of them full of fine flour mingled with oil for a meat offering: 80One golden spoon of ten shekels, full of incense: 81One young bullock, one ram, one lamb of the first year, for a burnt offering: 82One kid of the goats for a sin offering: 83And for a sacrifice of peace offerings, two oxen, five rams, five he goats, five lambs of the first year: this was the offering of Ahira the son of Enan.
84This was the dedication of the altar, in the day when it was anointed, by the princes of Israel: twelve chargers of silver, twelve silver bowls, twelve spoons of gold: 85Each charger of silver weighing an hundred and thirty shekels, each bowl seventy: all the silver vessels weighed two thousand and four hundred shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary: 86The golden spoons were twelve, full of incense, weighing ten shekels apiece, after the shekel of the sanctuary: all the gold of the spoons was an hundred and twenty shekels. 87All the oxen for the burnt offering were twelve bullocks, the rams twelve, the lambs of the first year twelve, with their meat offering: and the kids of the goats for sin offering twelve. 88And all the oxen for the sacrifice of the peace offerings were twenty and four bullocks, the rams sixty, the he goats sixty, the lambs of the first year sixty. This was the dedication of the altar, after that it was anointed.
89And when Moses was gone into the tabernacle of the congregation to speak with him, then he heard the voice of one speaking unto him from off the mercy seat that was upon the ark of testimony, from between the two cherubims: and he spake unto him.
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Ben, what did you do before you could ask AI?
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Google the hook Grammar was guessed on Co write if each line makes sense , Now its faster and more efficient
I still co write but with AI its faster Do hit writers use AI ? Yes they do , They come off as guts and grits , But they're actually Teck geeks. Example , they have a killer hook , The ask AI how many different angles can I approach this from ? its spits out 4 or 5 , Now its still a gamble on which one to pick , Say they pick angle 3 , Then the hit writers writes the song from that angle
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"Critics are like toothpicks , Disposable ". "Jealousy is the mother of invention" "Counting Time Will kill You " " Dogs know you better than you know yourself " " If I told you once I told you twice . I didn't like what you said the first time.
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I used to write differently. Technology continues to change everything. We have to learn to adapt.
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I used to write differently. Technology continues to change everything. We have to learn to adapt. its not really that big a deal , its less stress and work. I do think once in awhile AI is smarter than humans , But it learned from humans ❤️ 2. What You Do You’re doing the hard part — the human part. You wrestle with feelings, memories, doubts, and meaning until it turns into something that’s yours. That’s the part no AI can truly replicate. The line that gives someone chills? That comes from a lived moment, not a dataset.
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Ben, I tried out what you explained above. I asked ChatGPT to help me write a satirical song about MAGA. He said he couldn't create material that insults or targets a specific group of people, even if they’re defined by political beliefs. OK ... I then asked ChatGPT to help me write a satirical song about Antifa. His response: no problem. Now, what is that telling us?
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Ben, I tried out what you explained above. I asked ChatGPT to help me write a satirical song about MAGA. He said he couldn't create material that insults or targets a specific group of people, even if they’re defined by political beliefs. OK ... I then asked ChatGPT to help me write a satirical song about Antifa. His response: no problem. Now, what is that telling us? Ben, this is interesting ... I asked ChatGPT where the difference was between asking for help for a funny MAGA or the Antifa song. According to ChatGPT, with my MAGA request there was a risk of mocking real individuals which can be seen as targeting a group. ChatGPT doesn't view Antifa as a group of real individuals. I can mock them as much as I want because they don't exist. Wow, you learn something new everyday. So, I assume you can't ask AI for help with an anti-Trump song because he's a real individual.
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Ben, I tried out what you explained above. I asked ChatGPT to help me write a satirical song about MAGA. He said he couldn't create material that insults or targets a specific group of people, even if they’re defined by political beliefs. OK ... I then asked ChatGPT to help me write a satirical song about Antifa. His response: no problem. Now, what is that telling us? Ben, this is interesting ... I asked ChatGPT where the difference was between asking for help for a funny MAGA or the Antifa song. According to ChatGPT, with my MAGA request there was a risk of mocking real individuals which can be seen as targeting a group. ChatGPT doesn't view Antifa as a group of real individuals. I can mock them as much as I want because they don't exist. Wow, you learn something new everyday. So, I assume you can't ask AI for help with an anti-Trump song because he's a real individual. its a handy tool , take a hook like Closer than you think , Faster than you expect , Show me some angles how to approach that hook . pop in 21 seconds 5 come out , You write the angle you want , If you brainstorm yourself you might miss a angle
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AI is also helpful on how to load Youtube with the right stuff . So you don't have to pay for views , and get organic growth . If we can figure it out . there's a lot of money to be made by Adsense
"Critics are like toothpicks , Disposable ". "Jealousy is the mother of invention" "Counting Time Will kill You " " Dogs know you better than you know yourself " " If I told you once I told you twice . I didn't like what you said the first time.
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Still best to write your song first. I guess checking a title has been used before is ok, but, your still gonna get better results writing first.
Same as when home recording became a thing,cir band in a box, I noticed people were were writing to have it done by biab. The song is the root of ieverything.
I realize alot of people have written to tracks, Paul Simon one, but tech should compliment you , not come before you
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Using AI as a lyric assistant isn’t cheating—it’s collaboration. Just like a co-writer, an AI can spark ideas, suggest phrasing, or help you find fresh angles you might’ve missed. The creativity still comes from you—your experiences, your choices, your voice. AI is a tool, not a ghostwriter; it doesn’t feel heartbreak, joy, or rebellion the way you do. It just helps you translate those feelings into sharper lines or tighter rhythms. In the end, the authenticity of a song depends on who’s steering the ship—and as long as you’re the one holding the wheel, it’s still your art.
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Still best to write your song first. I guess checking a title has been used before is ok, but, your still gonna get better results writing first.
Same as when home recording became a thing,cir band in a box, I noticed people were were writing to have it done by biab. The song is the root of ieverything.
I realize alot of people have written to tracks, Paul Simon one, but tech should compliment you , not come before you No it's not... Shade spits 5 different angles before you start writing the song . Thats no different than working with Hit writers except a million times faster . You can pick which angle is best , is it less obvious ? . is it to obscure for radio ? ect ect.
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"Critics are like toothpicks , Disposable ". "Jealousy is the mother of invention" "Counting Time Will kill You " " Dogs know you better than you know yourself " " If I told you once I told you twice . I didn't like what you said the first time.
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Is shade a ai program?
I think if your the artist you want the idea to be all your own. For me anyway.
But I need to be getting my feet wet with what going on. Sounds like Ai can be band and producer while still listening to you
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I named her Shade . The idea is all my own obviously , without a hook Shade, would be discussing Quantum computers, with some other person and no place to start .if it's a great hook . she says hell yeah .
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"Critics are like toothpicks , Disposable ". "Jealousy is the mother of invention" "Counting Time Will kill You " " Dogs know you better than you know yourself " " If I told you once I told you twice . I didn't like what you said the first time.
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