Tell that to Adam, Eve, Cain, Abel... Noah...

None of this statement is relevant unless you have proof of the existence of Adam and Eve...only by faith do Christians believe they existed, not by evidence and as yet no one, of the estimated 117 Billion people who have lived on earth, has produced that evidence. If there is no proof, why should non-believers listen to any Christian. I personally do not get into those types of debates for they lead no where. If someone asks me to prove the Bible, I will always say there is no proof since I cannot lie to them. If they then ask why I believe in the Bible, my response is, I believe by faith in its truth, just as they believe by faith in the big bang.

Don't you see, Steve? That's the progression running through the entire Bible.

Yes I have always seen that clearly and it is used to estimate the age of the earth as covered in the Bible

The more "time" separated man from God, the more necessary Christ and the gifts of the Spirit became. We now live in an age of grace, but God never went anywhere. Consider the time of king Nimrod (the birth of Babylon) and how he tried to build a tower tall enough to challenge God directly... Rebellion requires commitment, not faith; And will ultimately culminate with Armageddon.

I’m not sure if this statement is anything more than a distraction. I doesn’t seem to be relevant.

God has always been faithful to bless those who seek Him with a Spirit of clarity and righteousness. Christ put an exclamation point on that because we were so far removed.

As a person of faith I have no problem with this statement.

You're not wrong to say,"we only believe by faith", but that faith has always been a "gift"... a reward.

I have always known my faith to be a gift. I’ve never said anything otherwise. That doesn’t change the fact we only believe by faith, in fact it may reinforce my statement.

You cannot claim that faith by your own will.

If by using “you and your”, you mean Christians in general, I agree with you. I have never made that claim.

Lol... The obvious miracle that everyone takes for granted is the Spirit that has perpetuated this never ending argument throughout the ages

Not everyone takes the Spirit for granted.


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