Mike, this one's been swimmin' in my head for a couple weeks and I just had to get somethin' down before it drove me nuts...now the really drivin' me nuts part starts ...and you exactly what I'm friggin' talkin' about smile appreciate the producer thoughts...I had heard that breakdown part you talked about...this chorus is totally singable with just drums or a clap track...we'll see how my time management goes...workin way too much and seems like I mostly play when we have gigs ... all this work is gettin' in the way of my writin" see ya and thanks a bunch...moke