Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney
Ben,

If it is so horrible, why are you here?

If you are anti free speech, that is YOUR problem, not mine. If we do not defend free speech, including that which we dislike, all is lost. As long as it remains in the designated post, it harms no one. That is a reasonable compromise.

The personal attacks have always been an issue on social media, but when those crying victimhood are dishing out just as much venom to others, it is impossible to hold any side accountable. The sad thing is that men in their 60s and 70s are arguing like teenagers and coming to Daddy to whine about being attacked when they are doing the same. If you are being attacked by someone and have not responded in kind now or in the past, let me know as that is an easy fix. So far no one complaining has clean hands.

Brian




Imagine a junior college professor who teaches an American history course. The students are diverse in opinions.
Every day, his classroom devolves into a series of arguments ad chaos that the professor allows to go on.

The history dean confronts him about it and the professor indignantly and heroically responds...

"If we do not defend free speech, including that which we dislike, all is lost. As long as it remains in the designated post, it harms no one. That is a reasonable compromise."

The professor goes on to say that it is the failing of the students for lacking civility and decorum that is to blame for the chaos in his classroom..

The dean responds,
So, you are blaming your students for the chaos in your classroom. It's your classroom, not theirs.
You are allowing your classroom to devolve into chaos. Nothing is being protected. Students are dropping your course and have been for years. That is what is being lost.
If you do or don't like what Trump is doing, go out into the world and protest against it. That is a true exercise of the 2nd amendment. Allowing your classroom to devolve into insults and disorder is the destruction of your classroom, nothing more.
The future of free speech is not contingent upon unruly, unrestricted classrooms.
"All is lost?" for real?, this ain't Yorktown.

The dean is reason.

More personally...
You told Dom that the next time he insulted me, he was gone.
He laid off for a while and then began insulting me with veiled references in other people' s threads. I ignored it.
When I didn't respond to that, he became direct and started calling out my name with insults. It's here to see.

You did nothing about it.

That left me with lousy options

Do I become... "men in their 60s and 70s are arguing like teenagers and coming to Daddy to whine about being attacked when they are doing the same"...?

or...just take the insults with no response?

or...do I quit the site? (as I did once before)

or hand them back?...in Dom's threads. (my choice)

Btw...I'm here to post songs.

Marty


I stopped reading your straw man argument when you put it into a college setting. Why? Obvious. In college, free speech would mean the students are welcome to argue any point or position in their written work to be graded by the professor. Most colleges are lectures, papers and tests, and only questions on the material at hand are permitted. So unless a political opinion fit that criteria (i.e. a question about the lecture itself or how an assignment is being graded etc.) then it would not be appropriate.

This is an open forum with a "general" board. We have never stopped people from discussing what is going on, but as you can see now, we also keep in mind that we want music topics in most areas, so if people can't control themselves, we gave them a post. And it wasn't just for a left wing or right wing or no wing argument, it was for all political discussion. We have certainly not treated one opinion more harshly than another. The fact the the two loudest voices were from extreme opposite views certainly made it easy for everyone else to fall in the middle somewhere. But when it encroached on music topics, we reigned it in and gave them a spot to say whatever they want. I don't read it unless someone contacts me with a reason to do so, as you well know from ample experience doing just that.

I notice that John doesn't seem to piss anyone off or receive attacks on his posts including music. So why do you suppose some single you out? You have much the same views as him, so it isn't political. You both post music. It appears to be something else. Perhaps you should figure that out. Could it be they honestly do not like your music? Did you ever consider it? You do post it publicly knowing people are encourage to comment. By the way, the only reason I have any idea of your age is because you like to bring it up. But most of the regulars here are post 60. That is what happens when you run a board this long. We have members who have been with us since 1985! Even those in their early 20s back then are now in their 60s! It has been 15 years since we hit 125K members (my year off due to stroke saw us never pass that number, then email stopped working then more and more issues all the way up to Covid when our events stopped and all our chapters closed. We are just now seeing live events start up again, but the world has changed. This message board is simply a museum of what it was like in the 90s and early 2000s when artists for the first time ever could easily release their own music, build their own fanbases and make a nice living making music outside the label plantations. 25% of our membership has died as our group usually started with people in their late 20s or older and this message board was usually people in their 40s and up. 27 years later and sadly many have died (or moved along to Facebook, where I have found 7K of them and interact daily) including almost all those most loved, minus John. He is the last man standing which universally has been liked by all, including those who disagree with him. You could learn a lot from him. Many of those with (D) by their names were able to keep the peace without it ever blowing up on anyone. They spent day and night here and made sure to head problems off at the pass. Rarely did anything become a serious problem. I wish we still had regular users with that time and desire for peaceful resolution, but if the most busy users of the site aren't going to do it, then I have to fly swatter it when it is brought up.

Brian


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