Originally Posted by Wesley Ryan
Marty,

Thanks so much for the kind words. I really appreciate it. And I do like your music. I've told you that. I think you have a lot to work with depending upon what your long term goals are. Even if they aren't with professional intentions of selling songs or whatever, it is always great to better yourself at the craft just like anything else a person loves to do with their time. As you are aware, our progressions in life are made through practice. If a person hammers two pieces of wood together when they are 8 and 50 years later, they are still doing the same thing the same way without having progressed, the effort is wasted.

I am not going to go back and forth with that guy. I've moderated lyric forums in the past and I can recognize the type in an instant. Nothing he says is going to affect me. I'm not thin skinned. If a person is thin skinned in this business, even if it is sitting on a chair playing acoustic in some dive bar, they won't last two songs. Criticism is a way of life in this business. The further you dive into it, the harsher it becomes. I won't deny that there has been a few occasions it has gotten to me too. Nashville can be brutal to put it mildly.

Keep doing what you are doing. You have a talent. What you choose to do with that is up to you. But don't label yourself as someone who doesn't bring something to the table. I would firmly disagree with that assessment. Thanks again for the kind words.

Fdemetrio,

I have been doing this for a very long time. I don't claim to be an expert or perfect at it. But I am a professional in the music world. I have moderated lyric forums in the past. I recognize behavior. Bumping material up to make one's self look relevant smacks of selfishness. I have looked at several of your lyrics. You seem to have no interest whatsoever in learning the craft itself. Is there talent there? Yes. But it is worthless if you aren't willing to hone it into something better than the same old thing song after song. Your structure is poor, your titles unimaginative, hooks non-existent, syllable count all over the board, and your general attitude is of someone who thinks a lot more of his skills than anyone else does. Which makes you unteachable. You are overly sensitive to the slightest criticism which speaks volumes in itself. You can't be that way in this art. Or any art for that matter. It will get you nowhere and is only doing yourself a disservice.

Nothing you say is going to affect me whatsoever. If I valued your opinion, it might. But I don't because nothing you have demonstrated to me to this point would warrant that kind of respect from me. I sincerely hope that you will quit lashing out at the people on here who disagree with you. It is childish. Rather than post 50 songs which aren't good, take your time, practice the craft, put a little more effort into it, and over time, you will look back and be amazed at how far you've come. That's progress. That's the art of music. That's the kind of artistic endeavor that actually might make one of your songs worth playing someday. Bumping trash songs with trash lyrics isn't.

Marty mentioned John Schick who is an excellent example to follow. So is Robert (couchgrouch). You can learn so much that applies to your own music by studying their lyrics and song structure. You can also learn tons simply by studying the lyrics of great artists in your genre of choice. As is, I would File 13 everything to this point. I don't have to listen to every one of them to know that it is just more of the same. There is promise in there but it will remain unfulfilled if something doesn't changed. I hope you will do so.

I'm not trying to be harsh or a jerk to you. Nor am I trying to discourage you. I meant it sincerely the other day when I said that I admire anyone who has a love for music. But this nonsense I'm witnessing here, I've seen thousands of times. It's not cool, it's not mature, and it certainly doesn't paint you in a good light. Good luck and take care.

John Shick is a great human. He does not write lyrics but great at musical vignettes. No problem with John at sll

First of all, your re doing all the bunping. Yourself Marty, rob h

You write basic songs, not very interesting at all, at least not to me.

For some reason, you think you have a loft to sit on

You critique a grunge song from the 90s and give it a faux Nashville review. Only an amateur with no clue would do that, or just somebody looking to start something

Your songs are not great chief.

I've been at it a long time too, since I was 15, only I play and sing too.

Your album is about as pedestrian as they come, nothing new, nothing interesting, just same ole.

Your not bad, but not good either.

See? Anybody can say the same thing.

Work on your craft, I'll be here to help you.

Meanwhile, if your going to critique be consistent, and dont sugar coat for your pals here.

And you seem to Iove trying to validate yourself

Last edited by Fdemetrio; 05/06/25 11:37 AM.