Originally Posted by Rob B.
Originally Posted by bennash
Jesus Christ , you guys sure go off on politics

Hey Elvis,
I’m normally not into politics. When Trump won the election, I thought … ok, we made it through his first 4 years, we’ll make through his next 4. I really didn’t care. But this time it’s different. Very different. I love our country and what is happening right now is not good for our country. I feel sad that most Americans aren’t seeing the warning signs. That is why I’m writing political songs to calm my nerves. But, you’re right … I should not discuss politics here, especially not with Marty. I’ll stop. Thanks for the advice and waking me up.

All the best - Robert

Rob,
I have a very different viewpoint. Our country has passed the expansion stage and is in the decay stage, comparable to the UK a couple of centuries back. We off-shored a great deal of our manufacturing capacity to China and other low wage countries. China has a massive wartime machine now. I'm not sure what our war capacity is. For years the most prominent force on our border has been drug cartels, which are now a parallel patchwork of warring feudal govts controlling 30 - 40 percent of Mexico. Sheinbaum is president of PART of Mexico. Our treasury is being pilfered around the world and we are still trying to pretend that we can finance Pax Americana, as if it was 1960. We have massive unfunded liabilities that likely wont get funded.

As imperfect as Trump and his shenanigans can be, e.g., "dictator", he is the best leader that we could have at the moment. Chopping the govt down and weaning our allies and enemies off the treasury tit will be risky and clumsy, but not doing it is headed for an inevitable collapse.

At this very moment, because of Trump's immigration and border measures, there are many citizens who will not become victims of crime in this country. That alone, validates his election.

Ben
There's rules around here. But, like the govt, they dont get enforced. Politics and religious discussions doom websites to arguments. I've made that point repeatedly and been told to phuque off if I don't like being called an "A$$hole." After I was clipped for $300.

I've stop being concerned with it, one way or the other. I put up a good song in this section, but it is 1 out of 20 places that I have already uploaded it to and 1 out of 50to100 that I will ultimately upload it to.

Rob and I have, at least, confined the discussion to his song and thread which is clearly a political statement. Given that it was a political statement, we have kept the debate on point and sequestered to this thread. Additionally, Rob and I had a discussion without "A$$hole, fuk yourself", etc, being peppered in when reason failed and collapsed into frustrated emotion.

But then again Ben...here you are, partaking from your pedestal and casting displeased glances. You should thank me and Rob for providing you that opportunity to be so holy. wink

Marty

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