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"Psychopath"... hmmmm. How would that reflect upon the programmer?
Exactly. AI will be the powerful tool/extension of whoever controls it. Who is going to own and control these systems? What will regulate them? Who will oversee the regulations? How easily can the regulators be bought (e.g. SEC)?
A "for instance"...George Soros is repeatedly spending big money financing DA candidates in "blue" municipalities. Who get into office and are essentially de-criminalizing crime. All in the name of the rights of the persecuted and so forth. But it makes no sense to decriminalize crime, because then the victims become innocent homeowners, business owner's and random citizens who are destroyed by the crime ...for the sake and benefit of the criminal. It is self destructive. Though far fetched...one has to wonder...is he paying big money to break society down so that he can be the guy that rushes in to restore his vision of order? ...with AI as a powerful centralization tool?
That's a conspiracy theory for certain. I don't assert it as a fact. I have no way of proving or disproving. But I can't help but wonder such things because it makes more sense than what is actually happening in law enforcement. There are people in power, in law enforcement, who see the world upside down and backwards. They have legions of drones who will vote for them without questioning anything that they do because of the jersey they wear and notwithstanding that they are also downgrading the lives of the drones themselves. Criminality is bad for everyone.
It was in no way directed at you, in truth my ‘stay on topic’ remark was a general one regarding some threads which tend to meander, I added the smiley face icon to show that it was a light-hearted comment.
Thanks for clarifying that, because for all practical appearances it was directed at me, since I was the only person up to that point to use a chatbot to create something and present it here. Then your post said the equivalent of "here's how to present a chatbot's writings, but WITHOUT going off-topic."
I'm sure you can see how I might have felt that was directed at me, specifically, albeit in a smiley-face-friendly-way, since I was the only person to present chatbot writings up to that point?
And if you were directing that specifically at me, that would have been totally okay. Nothing to worry about! I mean, it did seem like you did, and so I directed my response with that in mind.
Just in case further clarification is needed. My post was a direct response to Everett's original post, I was not referencing other posts within THIS thread, if it seemed like I was then I assure you that was purely unintentional. If I were to comment on anything you or anyone else had said, I would do it directly, like we are doing now. I posted what I thought was an interesting, valid, and mildly amusing thing to throw into the discussion.
Originally Posted by Michael Zaneski
At any rate, life is too short, so I'll just chalk this up to another case how hard it is to communicate well.
Brian... After reading your last post, clearly you were "lost" long before I ever wrote "black hole."
So, the guys who rattle on for tens of minutes in the conspiracy theory videos that you post are golden...but Einstein and Elon Musk are deluded buffoons being played out according to some Machiavellian script written by....?
Sad thing to read.
Believe what you will, but guard your money. Don't bet on anything that you believe.
Which conspiracy theory would that be? Science is a guess. Not a fact. Most of everything related to "space science" has been laughably wrong. Big bang? Nope. How about "Space is a vacuum?" Nope. How about the space between Earth and the Moon is a Vacuum?? Nope. The moon is within the Earth's atmosphere. How about, we went to the moon in 1969 but somehow "forgot" how to do it ever since? Now it is "just too painful" to recreate the Space program that they did with far less computing power than a simple calculator? How about they still have all that equipment to brush them up on "what they forgot" back then? How about they "accidentally erased all the telemetry they used for the entire Apollo space program? How about they no longer have the original film they shot? So all we have is super low res TV footage? Really?
And that has nothing to do with the question did we or didn't we? This is assuming we went, this is the level of incompetence that they ADMIT to! Just like other similar missing footage and bizarre coincidences that people just accept from "experts" who are paid to lie to us about everything.
All the supposed facts taught one generation ago are largely disproven. But they speak like it is all fact that has and will never change. All BS.
Right now while people are talking nonstop about what software is doing, we have a crashing birthrate around the world across all ethnicities if they live in the Western world. Elon Musk says it is the most dangerous scenario facing the world, population collapse. Likewise, stuff like this train crash in E. P, Ohio is barely being spoken about. That is usually how you know it is REALLY bad.. when it is being censored and squelched. Meanwhile, did you enjoy those exciting "UFO" stories they rolled out to cover up more news on the wreck?
These aren't "conspiracies" or fiction... these are simply inconvenient facts. Sort of like nearly 3 years of LIES and censorship about the origin of Covid now openly supported as FACT. Those weren't "conspiracy theories" nor are the other concerns about all of it. But go ahead and gulp down the FEAR PORN while they screw us all over in the background.
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It was in no way directed at you, in truth my ‘stay on topic’ remark was a general one regarding some threads which tend to meander, I added the smiley face icon to show that it was a light-hearted comment.
Thanks for clarifying that, because for all practical appearances it was directed at me, since I was the only person up to that point to use a chatbot to create something and present it here. Then your post said the equivalent of "here's how to present a chatbot's writings, but WITHOUT going off-topic."
I'm sure you can see how I might have felt that was directed at me, specifically, albeit in a smiley-face-friendly-way, since I was the only person to present chatbot writings up to that point?
And if you were directing that specifically at me, that would have been totally okay. Nothing to worry about! I mean, it did seem like you did, and so I directed my response with that in mind.
Just in case further clarification is needed. My post was a direct response to Everett's original post, I was not referencing other posts within THIS thread, if it seemed like I was then I assure you that was purely unintentional. If I were to comment on anything you or anyone else had said, I would do it directly, like we are doing now. I posted what I thought was an interesting, valid, and mildly amusing thing to throw into the discussion.
Originally Posted by Michael Zaneski
At any rate, life is too short, so I'll just chalk this up to another case how hard it is to communicate well.
Me and the bot say Amen to that!
Nigel, no one rational would ever think you had bad intent or were attacking anyone. You are free to say anything you like here and no need to clarify just to please others. People have such thin skin as they have recently (the past 10 years) been re-educated to think on mainstream social media. We have been here 25 years already on this board and aside from gratuitous directed attacks, we haven't had any problems outside anonymous trolls 20 years ago.
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Brian Austin Whitney Founder Just Plain Folks jpfolkspro@gmail.com Skype: Brian Austin Whitney Facebook: www.facebook.com/justplainfolks
"Don't sit around and wait for success to come to you... it doesn't know the way." -Brian Austin Whitney
"It's easier to be the bigger man when you actually are..." -Brian Austin Whitney
"Sometimes all you have to do to inspire humans to greatness is to give them a reason and opportunity to do something great." -Brian Austin Whitney
These aren't "conspiracies" or fiction... these are simply inconvenient facts. Sort of like nearly 3 years of LIES and censorship about the origin of Covid now openly supported as FACT. Those weren't "conspiracy theories" nor are the other concerns about all of it. But go ahead and gulp down the FEAR PORN while they screw us all over in the background.
I was upsetting a whole bunch of people here around two years ago... Turns out, everything I said about covid was true. Not to mention the "MATH" that I started the thread with.
It was in no way directed at you, in truth my ‘stay on topic’ remark was a general one regarding some threads which tend to meander, I added the smiley face icon to show that it was a light-hearted comment.
Thanks for clarifying that, because for all practical appearances it was directed at me, since I was the only person up to that point to use a chatbot to create something and present it here. Then your post said the equivalent of "here's how to present a chatbot's writings, but WITHOUT going off-topic."
I'm sure you can see how I might have felt that was directed at me, specifically, albeit in a smiley-face-friendly-way, since I was the only person to present chatbot writings up to that point?
And if you were directing that specifically at me, that would have been totally okay. Nothing to worry about! I mean, it did seem like you did, and so I directed my response with that in mind.
Just in case further clarification is needed. My post was a direct response to Everett's original post, I was not referencing other posts within THIS thread, if it seemed like I was then I assure you that was purely unintentional. If I were to comment on anything you or anyone else had said, I would do it directly, like we are doing now. I posted what I thought was an interesting, valid, and mildly amusing thing to throw into the discussion.
Originally Posted by Michael Zaneski
At any rate, life is too short, so I'll just chalk this up to another case how hard it is to communicate well.
Me and the bot say Amen to that!
Nigel, no one rational would ever think you had bad intent or were attacking anyone. You are free to say anything you like here and no need to clarify just to please others. People have such thin skin as they have recently (the past 10 years) been re-educated to think on mainstream social media. We have been here 25 years already on this board and aside from gratuitous directed attacks, we haven't had any problems outside anonymous trolls 20 years ago.
Brian, on the off-chance "no one rational would ever think you had bad intent or were attacking anyone" was aimed in any way at me (you DO quote my exchange with Nigel)--for the record, I never accused Nigel of having bad or malicious intent or inferred that in any way.
In fact if you read what I wrote, you can see I am simply trying to explain to him that his ("here's how to stay on topic in this thread using a chatbot presentation") remark, though it seemed to, didn't apply to me at all, since my post of "chatbot writings" were admittedly and intentionally off-topic; and he in turn made sure I understood he was referring to Everett's original post, and that he used "off-topic" simply as a segue into his post, and nothing more.
We were both clarifying things to each other to enhance our understand of each other and what we were trying to communicate. Nowhere was there any accusation or insinuation, cloaked or otherwise, of anyone having any malicious intent.
I imagine sometimes folks that communicate in chatrooms get the wrong idea and can imagine ill-intent cuz they are "thin skinned." But I think here, there was never any perceived ill-intent at any time on anyone's part: just a case of misunderstanding due to "presentation," and the simple act of clarification was all that was needed to fix things, and again, NOWHERE in this entire process was their ever any malice on either side--just the pursuit of being understood.
I've never considered the idea that "clarifying" sometimes isn't a good thing, but I guess that's true if we do it under duress. I felt no duress and unless he concealed it really well, neither did Nigel. My final thought on this: maybe we don't owe our neighbor any clarifications...but...isn't it just kinda neighborly to do so? It's THAT kind of generosity that Nigel showed that in turn, makes it easy to want to return the gesture, and tends to bring folks together instead of tearing them apart.
Good communication is hard, and I'm pretty much all clarified out, LOL. I think most that know me here know that I always make a solid effort to communicate well, and try to catch my projections before they land on others, and I give EVERYONE here the utmost respect, though disagreements will certainly occasionally arise.
Mike
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Fate doesn't hang on a wrong or right choice Fortune depends on the tone of your voice
-The Divine Comedy (Neil Hannon) from the song "Songs of Love" from the album "Casanova" (1996)
Which conspiracy theory would that be? Science is a guess. Not a fact. quote]
Which conspiracy theory? You have many to choose from. You litter your own web site with them. The last one that I looked at was some guy in a long video diatribe that you offered as proof of the fact that we are all lemmings being guided to mass suicide by some evil cabal in the shadows.... due to our ignorance and willingness to deliver the executioner's sword to him. I listened to a few minutes of it and never saw anything that looked at all like evidence.
Brian...you, and some others, have the boogey man gene. It gives you an insatiable thirst for any information that will uncover the boogey man that you have constructed. You don't just know that the boogey-men are out there, but you know exactly what they are doing. Since the beginning of civilization there is not a moment that someone was not up to something nefarious. That much is fact. But beyond that, the difference between us is that I won't be persuaded (or try to persuade) that any particular profile is true without a solid and discernible reason.
As for science? Scientific outcomes have been compiled into books of "facts" but "science" is not a fact. It is a verification methodology that began with Aristotle. True science to my mind never asserts absolute correctness. It asserts "models" of things that can be challenged. Relativity, Quantum mechanics, string theory are all "models" that EVOLVE as they are determined to be true or not.
W times Lsquared/8 is the mathematical model for a beam supported at its ends by 2 columns that carries a continuous and even load. It is not an edict from a science god. It is a mathematical model that seems to always predict an outcome. Reasonably well. Nonetheless, it is subject to challenge and disproof. So much so that it and other such models can be employed to stack the weight of skyscrapers.
And keep in mind, that some of those models were employed to imagine and create the bomb force that was dropped on Hiroshima and engines that took humans to the moon. (Assuming you believe that was not staged) If you have ever been seriously ill, such models likely led to procedures and prescriptions that kept you alive. And if you have been seriously ill, you may have noticed that adjustments to your regimen had to be made because the scientific models are not perfect and evolving.
It's your site and your podium, I suppose. Throw your theories out here if you like, but some of us view it with much skepticism.
Do you believe Bernie O'Biden is part of the Anti-American global cabal and deep into the pockets of the Chinese?
Do you believe in the accuracy of our voting system and safety of our borders?
Do you believe grade school children should be taught that gender is just a frame of mind and America has always been racist?
Do you believe 4 cops premeditatedly decided to to murder George Floyd, in broad daylight, in the middle of the street, on camera, while waiting for an ambulance?
Do you believe Donald Trump organized a "deadly insurrection" on Jan 6/21, equivalent to Pearl Harbor and 9/11, and tried to "overthrow the US government" because BLM and Antifa were allowed to "peacefully protest" for 2yrs prior to the election?
Do you believe Bernie O'Biden is part of the Anti-American global cabal and deep into the pockets of the Chinese?
Do you believe in the accuracy of our voting system and safety of our borders?
Do you believe grade school children should be taught that gender is just a frame of mind and America has always been racist?
Do you believe 4 cops premeditatedly decided to to murder George Floyd, in broad daylight, in the middle of the street, on camera, while waiting for an ambulance?
Do you believe Donald Trump organized a "deadly insurrection" on Jan 6/21, equivalent to Pearl Harbor and 9/11, and tried to "overthrow the US government" because BLM and Antifa were allowed to "peacefully protest" for 2yrs prior to the election?
I think that Bernie is a mis-wired narcissist. With an addiction for whatever works for Bernie. He latched on to socialism and honeymooned in Russia years ago because the capitalist lane was unavailable to him imo...but now he is raking in the dough promoting socialism. Biggest mistery to me...why did the people of RI elect him over and over?
Conclusion: Dunno what Bernie is all about. Dont know if he means any of what he says. Cabal? That would take a leap of faith to believe, imo. Will have to wait for someone to rat him out with evidence for that.
I think that the voting system must forever be monitored diligently. The GA senate run-off and the AZ audit made me feel like Biden had the votes, but if you do a google search of the recent political history of Philadelphia govt indictments, you can draw your own conclusions about what those political machines are capable of regarding voting fraud or anything else. They have got to be voted into power in order to steal so they are highly motivated to do whatever it takes with votes or any other means.
The border is a disgrace. The border is a clear symbol of a decaying nation.
Personally, I don't think that anyone's sexuality should be advocated for, at all. Particularly to children.
The cops and Floyd? Premedidated and planned? I doubt it, but if the guy who crushed down on his neck had not crushed down on his neck, I believe that he wouldn't have died. I've no issue with that murder verdict. The rest of them watched and became accessories in my view. Feel no sorrow for them. Not an issue for me.
Jan 6? I think that it was vastly a bunch of idiots who followed other idiots through broken doors and windows into the capitol and committed criminal mischief and vandalism. Amongst them, I think there were some deluded idiots who actually believed that they were forcing an insurrection (by definition). I think that Trump was a fire starter and I PERSONALLY BELIEVE he knew how he was stirring and steering the passions of fools. I believe that he could have tamped it down once it got going, but he didn't. However, convictions require overt criminal acts. I don't think that Trump personally is guilty of any action that can be defined as an overt criminal act. I thought that the impeachments lacked any overt criminal acts and were farces also.
Yep... what I figured... not worth the argument...
Marty, you are either sadly misled or just don't want to know.
American Constitutional ideals of liberty and justice ARE under attack; And, yes, it is a global socialist left conspiracy under the guise of a well meaning new world order. That fence you're sitting on isn't going to hold you for very much longer...
For those of us capable of discerning the truth... the real "nut-job" is the one who keeps pointing his finger and saying "tinfoil hat"
Yep... what I figured... not worth the argument...
Marty, you are either sadly misled or just don't want to know.
American Constitutional ideals of liberty and justice ARE under attack; And, yes, it is a global socialist left conspiracy under the guise of a well meaning new world order. That fence you're sitting on isn't going to hold you for very much longer...
For those of us capable of discerning the truth... the real "nut-job" is the one who keeps pointing his finger and saying "tinfoil hat"
Roger that Tony...In the interest of truth seeking,
Where exactly do you get your information? (I would like to follow this also) What exact people are behind this conspiracy? What resources do they have to back them up? What evidence can you point too?
I'm in favor of the truth above all else Tony. To me. the reality of the truth is more important than what I want to be true. If I am sitting on a fence, I am diligently looking in 360 degrees for anything that is true. I am not led or misled by anyone. If I get things wrong, it happens in my own head. Maybe you can help me with a clearer vision than mine?
Occasionally I do. These days I prefer to get my right wing take from GLEN BECK. He is more entertaining than FOX. Right now FOX is under a lot of scrutiny for allegedly knowingly advancing false assertions on air that Dominion voting machines were tampered with in order to reverse the vote count. It is claimed that the truth was knowingly disregarded for the sake of ratings.
What is actually going on there? Explain it to me.
For those of us capable of discerning the truth...
Tony, IMHO, you have ideas about things that you believe are "the truth" but personally do not prove anything, just "circle back" to the idea that they are true because you are one of "those capable of discerning the truth."
I encourage you to really make an argument that supports your beliefs that does not rely on the manipulation of language, aka "logical fallacy" --and then you might realize it's very hard to do, even if you may be correct on some of these things. The thing about you is, I KNOW you're not lazy, mentally, you're intelligent and are very passionate about what you believe, and I am willing to be open minded, but I am not willing to overlook that (most of the time it seems) you are simply trying to drive home your points with passion, rather than making a cogent case for them.
Don't hate me
Mike
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Fate doesn't hang on a wrong or right choice Fortune depends on the tone of your voice
-The Divine Comedy (Neil Hannon) from the song "Songs of Love" from the album "Casanova" (1996)
Takes far too much energy to hate, Mike. Almost as much energy as arguing lol...
You both act like it's MY job to "spoon feed" YOU.
Truth is, I AM fat, dumb and LAZY! I've already been fed lol
Tell you what... Watch Tucker Carlson tonight. Then, we'll have something to debate.
Haha, agree about hate..
Re: "spoon feed" --no not your "job" --but if you want to convince anyone not already in the "club" you have to use the tools-of-the-trade, one of which is persuasive argument. I could say, "Bozo the Clown secretly rules the world" and then when you ask me to prove it, I could say, "it's not my job to spoon feed you" --see what I mean? If you have beliefs that run contrary to popular opinion, the only way that opinion gets changed is either by discourse, policy, or by force. What frightens me is it seems so many people would rather crusade/force others to "believe like them" rather than use persuasive argument.
LOL...Well, you may be fat, dumb, and lazy (I don't believe it), but I see a 'nice guy' in your current avatar.
When you say "watch Tucker Carlson tonight..." --it's the "tonight" that worries me. It worries me because you are telling me that it doesn't really matter what he says: whatever he might say will be the absolute way, truth, and light. This to me seems no different than faith based beliefs, and I reserve those to my personal beliefs concerning God.
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Fate doesn't hang on a wrong or right choice Fortune depends on the tone of your voice
-The Divine Comedy (Neil Hannon) from the song "Songs of Love" from the album "Casanova" (1996)
I would laugh if you both didn't just perfectly epitomize what's wrong with the world today.
Arguing for the sake of argument... not interested.
I wasn't suggesting "arguing for the sake of arguing" but was using the word "argument" as it's applied to "debate" as in "rational discourse."
"Rational discourse" is much harder than simply arguing, but I'm with you. I don't want to "argue" in the small sense of the word, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't like to have a better understanding of some of your beliefs.
If they are synonymous with Mr. Carlson's, though, say no more...
Fate doesn't hang on a wrong or right choice Fortune depends on the tone of your voice
-The Divine Comedy (Neil Hannon) from the song "Songs of Love" from the album "Casanova" (1996)
I would laugh if you both didn't just perfectly epitomize what's wrong with the world today.
Arguing for the sake of argument... not interested.
Ok. It's me and Mike. We're deluded lemmings who refuse to come to yet another truth. (Tucker Carlson show) I'm gonna write that down so I don't forget it.
Tony Carlson says many things that I feel are correct and need to be said about Joe Biden and the border and other things, but don't make the mistake of not questioning him and everyone on cable and network tv.
If Carlson ever posts a video with real evidence that backs your claims, please post it.
Yeah, when are you guys gonna realize that political tv stations and programs are about ratings. Yeah they may actually have some real feelings either way. But they are a tv show.
People think they watch American idol for the singing. They watch it for the drama and entertainment.
Japov says Don Lemon's voice annoys him, maybe so, but the logical question is why do you keep watching him.
Politics is entertainment, people love talking about things, it's fun cause they are interested.
If somebody from the opposite party did something great it would not be recognized.
But don't forget you are making both affiliates rich by paying such close attention.
Youre being exploited by both sides. You are watching entertainers
Hey, maybe liberal and conservative Aii can argue with each other. Have to wonder if Ai will have political bias
I would laugh if you both didn't just perfectly epitomize what's wrong with the world today.
Arguing for the sake of argument... not interested.
I like to debate topics. It is interesting and makes me examine what I actually believe rather than feel.
The debate here is not only that for me. It is also a desire to see what evidence that someone can produce that disproves what I BELIEVE. If compelling and realistic enough, it changes what I BELIEVE. The reason I BELIEVE things is, though I am never an eye witness to a fact or original event and privy to no inner circles... I can only base my beliefs on information available to me and my own innate sense of whether it checks with reality and experience.
It is very rare that you produce anything other than proclamations accompanied by anything beyond more proclamations.
It could happen, a cbs morning tv show. Henry verses Ryan.
But I think this one idea leads us down a road to ask a question what it means to be human.
Humans say things like.. I'm hungry. I like chocolate I like jaguars, and I like blondes. I like sunsets, I like mountains. I like snow. I like the beach.
Yeah we could program ai to say those things, but what does it mean to them.
Can ai have childhood memories. Can ai say oh I love this song, and mean it .
Us humans are programmed, but who we are inside is made up of those things.
Not sure Ai could ever match our experience. While it will blow us away on the analytical sude.
If Ai is capable of perfect analytical thinking, it would take decision making very simple.
So we need a wall or don't we. Tell us Ai
If it says no it's not logical, would some us humans except that?
Again human experience plays a role.
They have programs that say a football coach should go for it on fourth and 1 while backed up on their own 10 yard line. Normally automatic punt.
But ai says chances of making it better than not.
Coaches, humans, have said let those people handling the data be on the sidelines with me as the game is on the line, the cities hopes on the line, and let's see if they don't punt.
I assume that this is the video at the root of the quake obscured by all of the smoke.
Tony,
If you are ever about to enter a building and have to step over freshly broken doors, windows and glass....stop, turnaround and leave. Many people did and saved themselves a motherload of $hit. Only misguided fools kept going, such as the hat dude. That mob could have made a persuasive case for their concerns on the exterior grounds of the Capitol. When they entered the building they destroyed their own momentum with regards to any investigation...and handed their enemies a weapon to beat them down with.
Along those lines...sentience? Something that does not possess hormones, serotonin, endorphins (and a winky or vijayjay, I guess)....cannot feel or truly experience emotions.
Though AI can mimic them very effectively, a machine will not truly ever be alive, unless integrated with a human...and then only as a "plug-in."
A human being who cannot feel empathy, but is cunning, can mimmick empathy (an emotional response) convincingly. That is the definition of a sociopath. Maybe AI is going to be a mechanical sociopath.
FD, I think that I pretty much agreed with what you wrote in this post. And as Tony stated, it comes down to which humans have control of the programming.
I assume that this is the video at the root of the quake obscured by all of the smoke.
Tony,
If you are ever about to enter a building and have to step over freshly broken doors, windows and glass....stop, turnaround and leave. Many people did and saved themselves a motherload of $hit. Only misguided fools kept going, such as the hat dude.
This guy didn't go to trial....he plead guilty and got 41 months....he knew he broke the law and was shown the evidence
Steve
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Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
Right, but wouldn't a self learning ai machine be free of bias?
It might mean that there is no such thing as absolute truth.
All machines have to be assembled by someone at this time. And presumably, carry some bias. In the future, I suspect that machines will assemble machines.
One would think that regardless of who or what created the machine that the algorithms would always contain a bias of some kind. Even if a programmer's intent is to make the world as wonderful as possible, the programmer's idea of wonderful may be different than yours or mine.
"The devil is in the details" seems a vast understatement when wondering about that. The scary thing is the power that will be concentrated and centralized.
The "Tucker Carlson Edit" of Jan6 is despicably misleading.
I envision SNL will do a "cold open" of Tucker Carlson re-examining Charles Manson, showing "recently discovered home movies" of him cooking a happy meal for "the gang" with a chef hat on while singing "Volare," playing Twister with Squeaky and Susan, leading a round of Kumbaya with Tex Watson, and offering rambly bits about love, while Tucker narrates, and at the end adding, "does THIS look like a guy who could get people to commit violence for him?"
Carlson can be a good debater, but oft times he is falling into fallacy. His recent (edited video) case for Jan 6th is easy-to-spot cherry picking (fallacy). His most used form of fallacy is "the slippery slope fallacy" which plainly speaking goes like, "if we do THAT then ALL these HORRENDOUS things will end up happening" and that's all good and fine, except it does not prove anything, just that his writing staff and he have good imaginations and can takes us on an adventure, iow, entertain. I imagine a fun game could be made of this that could go viral like the Kevin Bacon game of days gone by, call it "A Butterfly Flaps it's Wings and---NUKES!" where the object of the game it to arrive at NUKES! from some simple "innocent enough looking" starting point:
"If we let Lego have a Downs Syndrome character, then what's next? Doesn't that open the door for Clue to dress Professor Plum in a sheer, nylon halter top and Monopoly to have "BLM" engraved in the top hat? And after all our kids' games are "woke" and they have lost their ability to make good decisions, isn't it conceivable SOME of these kids-now-adults will find themselves in charge of buttons that could blow up nukes? Is that what we want, NUKES?"
Exaggerated and satirical, yes, but in the service of making a point.
Practice critical thinking! Filter everything you read and hear through your own brain! Don't watch the news as if one network or anchor is in sole custody of "truth." Christians, doesn't this seem like having a "false god before you" to make Tucker Carlson in possession of Truth with a big T? Interesting that Tucker, behind the scenes, revealed different feelings about Trump than the ones I imagine he espouses on his show:
"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" indeed.
How many Larry "Lonesome" Rhodes ("A Face In The Crowd") moments need to happen before, as FD points out, a majority understand that ratings drive news, not "truth," and have for a while, something that Paddy Cheyesky presciently predicted in the great movie "Network" back in '76...
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Fate doesn't hang on a wrong or right choice Fortune depends on the tone of your voice
-The Divine Comedy (Neil Hannon) from the song "Songs of Love" from the album "Casanova" (1996)
Lol... Mike, from my limited perspective, you seem to be sitting at the intersection of lucid and abstruse... arguing with the stop sign.
I don't care how you feel about Tucker... or what any idiot on this site thinks about Hal Lindsey...
There's what the Democrats have been saying and doing about J6 for the last 26 months, and then there's the thousands of hours of video that they've been hiding.
I have eyes. I'm not an idiot. I see no reason to get into a spin contest with any of you...
It's George Floyd all over again... We know he ingested enough Fentanyl to kill himself 10 times, and exhibited every sign of overdose on camera... Yet, the arresting officer went to prison for murder despite a BLM activist sitting on his jury.
We know he ingested enough Fentanyl to kill himself 10 times, and exhibited every sign of overdose on camera... Yet, the arresting officer went to prison for murder despite a BLM activist sitting on his jury.
I know BULL$HIT when I smell it!
Tony, We don't actually know how much fentanyl Floyd had in him when arrested. All we know is this report and that report. But for the sake of argument, assume it was a lot. Nonetheless, when the EMT told the cop that she was worried and wanted a look at Floyd...and the cop waved her off...he indicted and convicted himself in that exact moment. That was black-hearted cold. Floyd was a career criminal and a menace to society, but the cop's duty was to keep him alive and let the judicial system, no matter how corrupted, go thru the process.
I don't know how anyone can look at that film and still have sympathy for that particular cop. How can you?
PS. Anyone who questions Hal Lindsay and his end-is-nigh game is not an idiot. I promise.
FLOYD WAS FLIPPING OUT ON MORE THAN JUST FENTANYL, AND WOULDN'T GET INTO THE DAMN PATROL CAR!
That's not to mention Floyd's criminal history, AND THE REASON WHY THE COPS WERE THERE TO BEGIN WITH!
There's absolutely no irony in Biden accusing Trump of being a racist.
J6 is a complete farce!
Before the ice melted, I was a high school wrestler Tony. The cops had the guy "tied up." A knee to the throat may have been a textbook move to subdue him, but there was no need to crush his air until he asphyxiated. Had the cop yielded to the EMT's request and allowed her access, Floyd would have probably survived and the cop would not have looked like a murderer. I bet even the cop wishes he had another shot at that EMT's request.
What do you think he would do with another shot?
PS...What I read was that the cops were there because Floyd was passing counterfeit twenties. True or not?
There weren't even any bruises on Floyd's neck or "BACK". No petechial hemorrhaging of the eyes or spinal trauma. FLOYD RAISED HIS HEAD AND TURNED AWAY FROM THE CAMERA FOUR TIMES COMPLAINING OF CHEST PAIN AND SHORTNESS OF BREATH! Typical symptoms of Fentanyl overdose.
Floyd was not strangled. He OD'd.
However, the final report said his "heart condition" was "probably" exacerbated by excessive force during arrest...
There weren't even any bruises on Floyd's neck or "BACK". No petechial hemorrhaging of the eyes or spinal trauma. FLOYD RAISED HIS HEAD AND TURNED AWAY FROM THE CAMERA FOUR TIMES COMPLAINING OF CHEST PAIN AND SHORTNESS OF BREATH! Typical symptoms of Fentanyl overdose.
Floyd was not strangled. He OD'd.
However, the final report said his "heart condition" was "probably" exacerbated by excessive force during arrest...
BULL$HIT!
And there you have it folks, another comprehensive analysis by JAPOV here at “FUX NEWS”..yes that’s “FUX NEWS” where we stand by our motto “The Truth Is We Lie” And don’t miss JAPOV’s upcoming report on his investigation into the earth being flat...he’s been working on this story for more than 30 minutes and appears to have exclusive footage of cars diving over the edge...(after some editing)...no really folks, that’s the honest truth
Coming up next, Sean, Laura and that mothertucker Tucker will be teaching you how to swear on the Bible and lie at the same time...you might want to cross your fingers while watching that.
Yes we at "FUX NEWS" will never let the truth get in the way of making money.
So watch “FUX NEWS”...just make sure you mute the audio
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
There weren't even any bruises on Floyd's neck or "BACK". No petechial hemorrhaging of the eyes or spinal trauma. FLOYD RAISED HIS HEAD AND TURNED AWAY FROM THE CAMERA FOUR TIMES COMPLAINING OF CHEST PAIN AND SHORTNESS OF BREATH! Typical symptoms of Fentanyl overdose.
Floyd was not strangled. He OD'd.
However, the final report said his "heart condition" was "probably" exacerbated by excessive force during arrest...
BULL$HIT!
Tony,
I dont know where you got these facts. Could you link me.
A white female EMT off duty requested a look at Floyd because Floyd looked badly distressed. Testimony on Youtube. The cop would not grant it. When the dispatched EMTs arrived there, Floyd was gone. At that point the cops were restraining a dead man. Testimony on Youtube.
If the defense could have made the case:
Our client was forced to subdue a career criminal who had just committed a crime with a police policy restraint employing a knee to the neck. Once handcuffed and on the ground with multiple officers restraining Floyd, my client allowed an off duty EMT access to Floyd to check his condition. The criminal continued to struggle and was restrained without a knee to the neck. Then the criminal died due to causes unknown to my client and beyond his control.
Then you could make a case that he was just doing his job. But that is not how it was.
I'm pro law-enforcement. Criminals are often vicious and lethal and out of control. When I hear stories of them being "roughed up" by the cops, it doesn't keep me up at night. However, neither do I want to live in a society where cop's reckless and unrestrained tactics lead to unnecessary deaths. That's Mexico.
When the cop would not remove his knee and allow the EMT access...he convicted himself of murder. And pro law-enforcement people who think like me are not going to reach in order to figure out a way to argue that he didn't. The cop lost us.
And there you have it folks, another comprehensive analysis by JAPOV here at “FUX NEWS”..yes that’s “FUX NEWS” where we stand by our motto “The Truth Is We Lie” And don’t miss JAPOV’s upcoming report on his investigation into the earth being flat...he’s been working on this story for more than 30 minutes and appears to have exclusive footage of cars diving over the edge...(after some editing)...no really folks, that’s the honest truth
Coming up next, Sean, Laura and that mothertucker Tucker will be teaching you how to swear on the Bible and lie at the same time...you might want to cross your fingers while watching that.
Yes we at "FUX NEWS" will never let the truth get in the way of making money.
So watch “FUX NEWS”...just make sure you mute the audio
Steve
There is a contingent of people out there who believe what Tony does for the reasons that he does. I'm not one of them. It is best to let them talk and learn where they are coming from. It will help you organize your own world in your head by understanding the world that is in theirs.
Won't likely change anything, but grasping the worlds of others may lower your blood pressure slightly.
I think Japov and Ray Strode woulda hit it off. Dems are bad because I can just smell it!
Lol, no different than a high school football rivalry, let's get them tyrants
Personally I see clowns on both Fox and CNN. They are Howard Stern, you watch to enjoy and you wYch to hate. Don't think for one moment they are about searching information. They spend most of their time deciding what host pisses off the other side, while appeasing the home team. Those are the people they want in prime time.
But I will say Japov is allowed to think as he wishes.
I just wish people would admit they are pro party and nothing else. If Trump suddenly became Dem, yet again, and he managed to become president as Democrat, he would suddenly be accepted and defended by Dems.
Sadly, it seems people enjoy complaining about the other side and taking shots, more than they do living in the moment with the politician they wanted in office
They enjoy the drama of politics, not the change it's supposed to bring.
Did you see what I wrote Hal Lindsay is a boob. Saggy boob at that. God can't wait to boot him down...
And I also called you a horse's azz, what now?
Dom, your greatest attribute and curse is your undeveloped sense of sophistication. You're like a cat chasing a laser light right into rush hour traffic...
There is a contingent of people out there who believe what Tony does for the reasons that he does.
I would be surprised/concerned if he actually has a contingent of people waiting to read his proclamations...it might cause me to treat his posts more seriously...but in the absence of any JAPOVITES, I find many of his comments to be amusing and so I respond in an amusing way back. I may be wrong but he can’t be serious about some of his posts. I think he’s just having fun pulling on all our chains...What do you say JAPOV???
I'm not one of them. It is best to let them talk and learn where they are coming from. It will help you organize your own world in your head by understanding the world that is in theirs.
I have a clear understanding of their worlds and that is the very reason why I respond when what I hear or read does not square with the truth. If you go back to the beginning of this thread, I challenged a fellow Christian on his statement that AI was the beast referred to in the Bible. It was stated as fact with zero proof.
I always let them talk...sometimes they just open their mouths to change feet...
Won't likely change anything, but grasping the worlds of others may lower your blood pressure slightly.
I’ve got a solid grasp on the worlds of others from many perspectives...but when their rhetoric is “alternative facts” and is suppose to be believed as if true, I will call them out on it... and at 76 I don’t give a crap.
I’ve been monitoring my BP daily since 2015...after my stroke...pretty steady at 125/75 with a pulse of 65-75...not bad for almost 76 years old.
Your most humble clown...Steve
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
I’ve been monitoring my BP daily since 2015...after my stroke...pretty steady at 125/75 with a pulse of 65-75...not bad for almost 76 years old.
Not bad at all. Congrats and keep up the good work.
What I never realized before internet forums and comment sections came along allowing people to paint a picture of their mind's inner workings... essentially in anonymity ....was that alternative facts lead to alternative worlds in people's head...that are intractable. Before forums and comment sections, I thought that most everyone could be reached with facts. Turns out...not so.
People share thoughts now that they would not have spoken publicly 30 years ago. Me included.
But the reality that we have no choice but to live with... is that these alternate worlds form a significant part of the actual reality. And so does our own capability to get things wrong.
Not lecturing to you. Appreciate you. Just sharing some thoughts with you.
I would be surprised/concerned if he actually has a contingent of people waiting to read his proclamations...it might cause me to treat his posts more seriously...but in the absence of any JAPOVITES, I find many of his comments to be amusing and so I respond in an amusing way back. I may be wrong but he can’t be serious about some of his posts. I think he’s just having fun pulling on all our chains...What do you say JAPOV???
I am very much what Marty claims to be... a searcher of truth. So, being the fair and discerning sort, I examine the evidence provided by most mainstream sources and simply apply common sense.
What I find most interesting... Ya'll accuse me of presenting opinion as fact. However, when I'm searching the news... predominantly, I find conservative sources presenting evidence, while liberal sources only respond with contrary opinions. It's as if liberals are always to busy covering their butts, and too far behind the issues to do the job...
Who was it that said,"Me thinks thou doeth complain too much...?"
What I find most interesting... Ya'll accuse me of presenting opinion as fact. However, when I'm searching the news... predominantly, I find conservative sources presenting evidence, while liberal sources only respond with contrary opinions. It's as if liberals are always to busy covering their butts, and too far behind the issues to do the job...
Who was it that said,"Me thinks thou doeth complain too much...?"
You just made my point...thank you
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
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