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I love writing songs with other talented people but every now and then I have to prove to myself that I can still do it alone. No AI or midi-based tools like Toontrack were used in this recording. This is actually one of the few songs of mine that got radio airplay. I hope you like it.

https://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=11648137

One More Try
(Music and lyrics: Robert Baitinger)

You say it's over
Don't ask me why
But if it's over
I'm surely gonna die

The many things that
We left unsaid
No, I can't count all
The tears that we both shed

(Chorus)
Let's end this stupid tightrope walk
And give it one more try
Let's sit down and have a long, long talk
And give it one more try (to bring our hearts together)
One more try (to make our lives much better)
One more try
Let's give it one more try
Before we say goodbye

Don't say it's over
The time has come
To make decisions
A task that must be done

Our hearts are broken
But does this mean our love has to end
Collect the pieces
And see what we can mend

Chorus

Is there something we can do
To forget the past and start out new
We've got to work this thing out
Got to find a solution
Make a brand new start
A new evolution

You know I love you
I always will
Can't live without you
I can't stand the chill

Will this blow over
Or should we go our separate ways
Let's work together
And search for brighter days

Chorus

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Here's a little dose of reality Rob, I know you've been challenged,lately, about your songwriting ability, but IMHO you don't have to prove to anybody here that you are an excellent songwriter....what I look for in a song, always, is the arrangement first because that tells me pretty quickly where the songwriter's head is and your songs are well arranged....

A song must also be sung well with a great melody/hook....or it will never get to radio...if it gets there...someone with the power to get it on radio liked your song a lot and "nothing else matters"...that's the big stamp of talent approval

Some people get it and some don't, and some never will...if you know what I mean

Steve

PS "Great Song"


Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
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Hey Rob
Another lovely song


Looks like Annagrey Labasse has one to promote
I heard traces of Bonnie Raitt, but if your 24 years old you might hear a 2024 artist

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Yes, no ai used. He used this instead, and claiming he wrote it
.and the lyrics? I mean vnorth could write a better lyric
No ai used lol, get a load of Stevie Wonder

https://www.youtube.com/live/2ay0rcPoluY?si=tKh5XFrTApWX7XRz

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Yes, no ai used. He used this instead, and claiming he wrote it
.and the lyrics? I mean vnorth could write a better lyric
No ai used lol, get a load of Stevie Wonder

https://www.youtube.com/live/2ay0rcPoluY?si=tKh5XFrTApWX7XRz

Brian, this is not a critique of this song at all....it is no more than a mean spirited rant and nothing more...This type of conduct needs to be monitored and removed if it persists

Steve


Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
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Originally Posted by VNORTH2
Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Yes, no ai used. He used this instead, and claiming he wrote it
.and the lyrics? I mean vnorth could write a better lyric
No ai used lol, get a load of Stevie Wonder

https://www.youtube.com/live/2ay0rcPoluY?si=tKh5XFrTApWX7XRz

Brian, this is not a critique of this song at all....it is no more than a mean spirited rant and nothing more...This type of conduct needs to be monitored and removed if it persists

Steve


Brian,vnorth and Rob b have been attacking me trying to discredit my work as a song writer .

Read the ai thread. Rob believes this song is great because he assembled some software snippets together and had somebody sing it.

I'm not sure what he is claiming is his in this track?

But I'm allowed to defend myself ain't I? Best way I know how us to let truth speak for itself.

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I have only criticized Fd when he has first attacked others...and for no other reason....there is a common thread through Fd posts...he wants to fight with everyone....that can be confirmed by others...that's his MO check it out...he's also making a mockery of the MP3 forum by posting a number of songs then removes them...he then proceeds to bump other people's songs as if they are his own ....I've been on this site since 2002 and this is now getting ridiculous...I've got another 25-30 songs I would like to post here but as long as he keeps messing with the MP3 forum, why should I bother

Steve


Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
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Two wrongs don't make a right...mr Christian

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I apologize, Rob for using this thread to complain but this garbage from Fd has to be addressed

Steve


Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
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Originally Posted by VNORTH2
I apologize, Rob for using this thread to complain but this garbage from Fd has to be addressed

Steve

Yep maybe next time both of if you will stop attacking me .

This section will die again is that what you want?

This is not good enough to draw any real interest but a pat on the back.

If anything it teaches a lesson, of how steep the competition out there is.

I've seen it myself, there's already too many great songs and artists and producers out there

But somebody creating this , allegedly creating this isnt going to attack me. He refuses to learn either

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Rob,

It's a nice track and a good vocal. I can see why it got some air play. I envy your drums on this track, snappy and lively. Wish I could get my drums to pop like that. Not exactly my favorite genre of music, but it's well done, and on par with many of other well known tunes of its kind. Nice vocal as well, and same for the harmonies. Sweet production!

All my best,

Deej

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Like i was saying

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Fdem,
when I comment songs here, I try to give the writer constructive criticism when I think something can be improved. I actually said a lot of positive things about your AI generated songs. You didn’t say anything about my song here. Is it good or bad, do you like it or not?

Instead, what you write is very disgusting. All the instruments were recorded in a studio by humans, not robots. The vocalist is a real person. The person discrediting somebody’s work as a songwriter is you. When I announced the song, I wrote that I did not use Toontrack products to write/record this song. You ignored that comment and falsely claim that I did. I wrote the song in 2006 and it was recorded in 2008 and you can see that I uploaded it to Soundclick in 2012. Do your homework and you will notice that EZ Keys was not released back then. And fyi, I don’t even own EZ Keys 2.

For those of you who don’t know how EZ Keys works … it can help you create pretty stunning piano accompaniments. It can use your own chords and you can modify everything. One thing it doesn’t do, it doesn’t give you a vocal melody. So, those who use EZ Keys still need a melody that is sung by the vocalist, which is the most important musical part of a song. Fdem, you compare EZ Keys to Udio, sorry, but you have no idea what you are talking about.

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Ditto to everything you said. Your attacks of me were jealousy fueled, and uncalled for.

Your piano parts were created by humans... True, but you didn't write the piano parts. But your calling yourself a songwriter here.

Those humans who created those loops do not know you, have no idea you exist or write songs.
Your just borrowing their work, and editing

Your presenting a track that as you said yourself,was written by other people,.that's mainly why you sound so generic.

But there is nothing in here that is yours as a songwriter.

You are a producer of music, but without tech, you couldn't be one.

What's yours? Melody and lyric?

I do that too, but you continue to challenge my work.

Sing your melody and lyric into your phone, I will do the same, let's compare and contrast

I won't even play an instrument.

No ai ... Lol. Does it matter? It's not original, it's not yours, and it's very basic and boring.

Sound? Ok decent sound, how much of that is you, I don't know. U asked for a fight you got one

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Fdem,
I never asked for a fight. All I did was post my song here. Just for your information, I actually was in the studio when this was recorded. I thought you were a songwriter. Any songwriter can hear that no loops were used in this song. You saying loops were used shows just how little knowledge of music you have. I wrote and played the piano parts myself. As you can hear, they are not too complex. Ok, you’re not a piano player. Maybe you can’t recognize that. Sorry, but I actually didn’t produce this specific track. And, never in my life did I sing into a phone and I surely won’t start doing that now. I always use a mic. Microphones give you a better sound quality. You should challenge Udio instead of me.

You say the song is not mine. You seem to know everything so tell me why I’m collecting royalties for this track. You can't do that if it's not your song.

Are you going to give me feedback on my song? If I’m honest, I don’t want to hear it.

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Your presenting a track that as you said yourself,was written by other people.

"You're" is correct English. Here's a challenge for you. Please show me where I said that this song was written by other people. Come on, show me!!!

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Hi Steve,
sorry it took me so long to respond to your feed back. I was distracted. I know what you mean. Thank you for the feedback. I fully agree with you.

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Thank you Elvis for taking the time to listen to my song. I'm not sure what Annagrey is up to these days but I sure feel fortunate that she sang this song for me. She did a great job.

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I don't Care about you or you're, it saves typing.

I'm not posting anything here again, the sudden resurgence of this site was largely due to my thread and my posting tracks I did with ai.

It will soon tank again. This idiot vnorth, complains that something needs to be done about me... The guy wasn't even present here until I became active, and suddenly deej cane out of seemingly nowhere.

Now I bring it back to life and I need to be dealt with. The once dead forum was brought to life, and I'm the one who is causing trouble... Riddle me that

I tried to kick start this site. You attacked everything I posted knowing it kicks your songs arse.

Nothing wrong with using technology to write songs. But it was clear by dozens of posts I was experimenting with ai

And you use the fact I'm using ai as a way of showing how yours is better , and that I'm taking credit for simething I didn't do. Like, I already wrote the lyrics and used my musical sense and phrasing to go through dozens of takes to find what I needed

Yet everything in this track was not done by you. You paid a license/product fee to be allowed to use these tracks.

What I meant was you didn't write the piano parts. Which they are generic enough to get away with

But the piano is the only thing allowing you to call this a song, and it's not yours, you didn't play it, it's part of your track, and YOU"RE calling it yours

From now on please specify what you actually wrote or played in the track.

For those who may not understand, I could theoretically do a demo using this piano software and end up with the same piano part, in my song.

Yet he's thinking this is his, but my work wasn't..

In the words of the immortal bugs bunny "
What a maroon"

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Man the Hatfiields and the Mc'coys , its just music

how about some geese to lighten the mood ?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-TCA5zubFa8

i'm glad you found the humor in bumping F

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6CYOmMEx4Xo

Oh man you'll do real well with publishers F lol

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Originally Posted by bennash
Man the Hatfiields and the Mc'coys , its just music

Well I remember reading the forum as recently as a week ago, nobody was here but you jumping the same song up to the top.
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it's just hilarious that I'm the problem lolllll

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Yet everything in this track was not done by you. You paid a license/product fee to be allowed to use these tracks.

What I meant was you didn't write the piano parts. Which they are generic enough to get away with

But the piano is the only thing allowing you to call this a song, and it's not yours, you didn't play it, it's part of your track, and YOU"RE calling it yours

From now on please specify what you actually wrote or played in the track.

Fdem,
so far, you’ve posted 9 times in this thread and not once did you make comments about my song. Instead, you are ranting about this website and other people.

I composed the whole song on my piano (yes, a simple old-fashioned piano) but in this specific recording professional musicians played all the instruments. Is that against any copyright laws? I wrote the lyrics on a sheet of paper. I don’t get the point you’re making. I didn’t pay any license fees. For what? There was no software involved. A piano doesn’t even need electrical power. You don’t specify any details when you post a song. Why should I mention all these details that most people aren’t interested in.

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Robert, this is a nice song. I'm like Deej in that the genre is not my cup of tea, but I can still appreciate that it's well done. For me, it has a distinctly European flavor to it, like a lot of your stuff, and it's refreshing to hear a slightly different style. Great arrangement. Nice vocals. Pretty song.

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Originally Posted by Rob B.
Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Yet everything in this track was not done by you. You paid a license/product fee to be allowed to use these tracks.

What I meant was you didn't write the piano parts. Which they are generic enough to get away with

But the piano is the only thing allowing you to call this a song, and it's not yours, you didn't play it, it's part of your track, and YOU"RE calling it yours

From now on please specify what you actually wrote or played in the track.

Fdem,
so far, you’ve posted 9 times in this thread and not once did you make comments about my song. Instead, you are ranting about this website and other people.

I composed the whole song on my piano (yes, a simple old-fashioned piano) but in this specific recording professional musicians played all the instruments. Is that against any copyright laws? I wrote the lyrics on a sheet of paper. I don’t get the point you’re making. I didn’t pay any license fees. For what? There was no software involved. A piano doesn’t even need electrical power. You don’t specify any details when you post a song. Why should I mention all these details that most people aren’t interested in.


Because you attacked me, it seems to be ok when you start with your useless attacks, nobody seems to notice you started this whole thing

It's somehow my fault. Yeah watch the forum die again.

I did comment on the song, it stinks.

It sounds good but have your heard the phrases lipstick on a pig? Or polishing a turd?

You refuse to listen anyway, you don't even understand why this stinks, how can you improve if you think this is great?

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
I did comment on the song, it stinks.

You refuse to listen anyway, you don't even understand why this stinks, how can you improve if you think this is great?

Fdem,
ok, you think it stinks. Hmm, I don’t smell it. It could be just you.

I personally think this song is good. That’s all that really counts. And the fact that this was played on the radio proves to me that that I must have done a few things right. Can it be improved? Sure.

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Originally Posted by Rob B.
Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
I did comment on the song, it stinks.

You refuse to listen anyway, you don't even understand why this stinks, how can you improve if you think this is great?

Fdem,
ok, you think it stinks. Hmm, I don’t smell it. It could be just you.

I personally think this song is good. That’s all that really counts. And the fact that this was played on the radio proves to me that that I must have done a few things right. Can it be improved? Sure.

All songs can be improved, even something as simple as a different chord here or there, or changing one word,cr changing almost everything.
It's all a work in progress.but look how you started this thread, .... No ai used... a direct attack of me, and you trying to validate yourself and de value me.

I have to assume people are not that stupid.

At any rate, war is over. Point is to support

Watch your attacks

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
No ai used... a direct attack of me, and you trying to validate yourself and de value me.
I have to assume people are not that stupid.

Fdem,
have you noticed that you are not the only person posting AI songs and talking about AI here on this site? I just wanted to point out that I didn't use AI or midi-based tools like Toontrack (EZ Keys) when I wrote this song. I wrote it in 2006 and that stuff didn't exist back then. YOU then claimed I lied and that I did use EZ Keys. You're wasting my time. I can really understand why people are hesitant to post songs here.

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Ohhhhh other people... One.... One song are using it so it wasnt directed at me. Ohhhhhh

I'll let the jury decide who it was directed at.
Here is the evidence . Notice how often Rob b appears in this thread attacking my thoughts

https://www.jpfolks.com/forum/ubbth...oblem-i-foresee-with-ai.html#Post1193784

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Hey Rob..you should probably not interact with Fd....he's not a songwriter but he does act like a troll whose only objective is to get under a person's skin...he's done this for years under other aliases, and if you read those threads...he uses the same approach...insult and berate people to try and get a negative response..if you want, go back to 2008-9 when he did basically the same thing to others back then....think about that.....fifteen years later he still doing the same schtick

Steve


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Originally Posted by VNORTH2
Hey Rob..you should probably not interact with Fd....he's not a songwriter but he does act like a troll whose only objective is to get under a person's skin...he's done this for years under other aliases, and if you read those threads...he uses the same approach...insult and berate people to try and get a negative response..if you want, go back to 2008-9 when he did basically the same thing to others back then....think about that.....fifteen years later he still doing the same schtick

Steve

Years later he still writes better than you.

Watch the site die. It won't take long

90 year old man playing Facebook troll... Sad

Your like the mom in Facebook who fights with her kids bullies online

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Hi Steve,
thanks for your advice. It's just that it's so hard to sit on the sideline and watch him hijack your thread and post lies. It's hard not to interact when that happens. He's done it time and time again with my threads. He's been doing that since 2008? Amazing that people still post stuff here. Take care.

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Originally Posted by Rob B.
Hi Steve,
thanks for your advice. It's just that it's so hard to sit on the sideline and watch him hijack your thread and post lies. It's hard not to interact when that happens. He's done it time and time again with my threads. He's been doing that since 2008? Amazing that people still post stuff here. Take care.

Two weeks ago nobody was here ...NOBODY. Now everybody is here, including deejay and bill draper who hasn't been seen in months.

The only thing amazing is anybody listens to your music when they know none of it is yours

You can have the last word

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By the way, Rob, the singer on this song has a great voice

Steve


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She got a sync placement I see Rob with some other writer , that's good news . Maybe she's on a Netflix movie , hard to say .

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Hey Elvis,
where did you see me with some other writer? Please tell me more. Many thanks in advance.

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Gavin,
thank you for the feedback. I grew up in Europe and was exposed to a much wider range of musical styles and genres. I guess one can hear that in my own music. This one was recorded and produced in Texas and you can still hear the European flavor. You've got good ears!

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I'm a little bored fishing and waiting for two songs to come back on mixes . So I googled her name ... I saw many feat. her in a few songs and a sync placement. I'm assuming a contract with some publisher .

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Originally Posted by VNORTH2
By the way, Rob, the singer on this song has a great voice

Steve

Steve,
I agree with you. She's amazing. This song was recorded in Dallas. I think she still lives there.

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Hey guys,
if anybody is interested I just found this information about me which includes this song as well. Awesome. I've never seen this before.

https://www.westcoast.dk/artists/b/robert-baitinger/

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Holy crap, Rob...that's impressive.....if anybody had any doubts about your abilities as a songwriter....that's just one part of a very impressive resume you've got

Nice!

Steve

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Originally Posted by Rob B.
Gavin,
thank you for the feedback. I grew up in Europe and was exposed to a much wider range of musical styles and genres. I guess one can hear that in my own music. This one was recorded and produced in Texas and you can still hear the European flavor. You've got good ears!

Yes, I knew you grew up in Germany. We're all influenced by our first exposure to music. I'll never escape the Scottish influence when it comes to melody - not that I'd want to - but I spent time visiting and then living in continental Europe from my childhood on up, including a couple of years in Germany. Your music sounds a bit like what I would hear on TV and radio then. But when it comes to German music I'm more of a Reinhard Mey kinda guy LOL.

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Alright Rob , Great resume !!!

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