Originally Posted by Cheyenne
I have nearly always written Lyrics and music together , They have been songs that

I have been pleased to keep performing over the years.

My point about this is the following , there are many lyric writers on web sites like J P F

who write just lyrics , The problem with that is these same lyric writers actually belive

that any lyric can be put to outstanding music that produces near perfect PROSODY

between the two. One stated to me that over the years He or She had collaborated with

several Melody Writers , and in that twenty year period they only found it

was necessary to change around three words !!!!!!! Well I know for a fact that rarely

happens in Pro Writing , if one is expecting something worth while and worth a serious PITCH

following a Professional Collaboration - The Two or Three writers involved will get together ,

some where in the procedure The Music will take a direction where certain lines will have to be

lengthened or shortened;

This direction will be the making or the breaking of the song, and most lyric only writers would

not know that it would be the way to go. If you want a song that has promise here and there

then that's another matter .

The next problem will be The Vowel Triangle , (explained by Professor Patt Pattison in one of

his books on songwriting , briefly certain words will not work in the higher register and the same in

the lower register, When Mister Lyric Only is writing his latest offering (mainly for the eye ) he will

in general not be aware of these points , That's why many decent tune smiths wont even bother to

collaborate. Its too long winded and Its easier for them to write on their own, Over the years

there have been many partnerships that have worked , but these are very rare.

There is an awful lot of re writing going on in these Successful Partnerships, Lennon and Mc Cartney

we re one of those rare examples where it worked , Dont judge some of their early stuff by many of

today's offerings because we are talking about a period some 60 years ago where some lyrics

would now be judged as hammy or corny compared with present day Language

This is what we are up against NEIL . there are no short cuts , and even One hit Wonders are

a rare occurrence these days



Pat Pattison has some good info out there on prosody.

You're right about people writing lyrics, lyrics are far from songs. If you look at the lyrics posted, every two lines will rhyme,
all the lines will be symmetrical so it looks tidy on paper.

But there's so much to wrtiing songs.

like the song HOWWWWWWWWWWW LONGGGGGGGGGGGG has this been goin on

It's clear the melody was written first and the lyrics filled it in.

I think in order to do a lyric first justice you have to try to make it fit you, as opposed to making you fit it.

Anything can be arranged recorded and sung, even the worst lyric every written, and it can sound great.

The hope is you write the best song you can possibly write first, then you get the best recording and production and performance you can possibly get, and then
maybe you have a 1% chance of it going somewhere.

Last edited by Fdemetrio; 02/25/19 02:33 PM.