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Most kids who sell drugs come from bad childhoods , He was one of them. A lot of violent offenders were abused as kids , and prison only makes them worse. We get it , you don't like Jelly Roll

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
If we're all products of our environment, why doesn't everybody sell drugs and commit crime?

Only a select few do. While it's true dreams dint come true in the hood, most people know wrong and right, and he did too.
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He didn't find Gid till last Year.

Where was God when he really needed him.

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If Elvis' dashboard jesus was up your A$$, you'd sing the gospel like Jimmy Swagart on a Tuesday night in Chinatown!

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What about the mother who works three jobs to put food on the table.

What about the kids who study and work their way out of the ghetto.

I get it he never harmed you.

And nobody likes an underdog story more than me m but I root for people who were always good just had bad luck or maybe made bad choices

he's a career criminal

The only reason he's not just jailbird hell roll is cause he found another way to make money and even more if it
That's funny the bit about using his drug dealing skills in music.

Japov Trump woulda done away with this guy like time ago your talking very liberal

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
What about the mother who works three jobs to put food on the table.

What about the kids who study and work their way out of the ghetto.

I get it he never harmed you.

And nobody likes an underdog story more than me m but I root for people who were always good just had bad luck or maybe made bad choices

he's a career criminal

The only reason he's not just jailbird hell roll is cause he found another way to make money and even more if it
That's funny the bit about using his drug dealing skills in music.

Japov Trump woulda done away with this guy like time ago your talking very liberal

Oh, Lord help me...

Liberal!? I'm just playing to my audience.

Ashes to ashes, for dust thou art...
The human condition is easy to pity, easy to justify. Dispare, filth, and suffering are common to all humanity, and readily lamented.

I would like to hear more about eternal transcendence, surrender, and forgiveness. That feeling when you realize the answer was truly always there, always nagging at you. That epiphany when you finally recognize the Spirit, that subtle voice of almighty God.

But, so far... among songwriters, all that has ever gotten me is insult, ridicule, and pretentious a$$holes questioning my integrity!

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
What about the mother who works three jobs to put food on the table.

What about the kids who study and work their way out of the ghetto.

I get it he never harmed you.

And nobody likes an underdog story more than me m but I root for people who were always good just had bad luck or maybe made bad choices

he's a career criminal

The only reason he's not just jailbird hell roll is cause he found another way to make money and even more if it
That's funny the bit about using his drug dealing skills in music.

Japov Trump woulda done away with this guy like time ago your talking very liberal

What about them ? yes it's noble a mother working 3 jobs and a kid going to school in the ghetto .Yes Jelly Roll found a better way besides prison and drugs to make money , which is music. No he is not a model citizen . Either am I really.

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God is always there to help, you just have to let Him in to help, He won't force Himself into your life. In the bible Jesus healed people that asked to be healed and had faith in Him to heal.

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Originally Posted by bennash
Most kids who sell drugs come from bad childhoods , He was one of them. A lot of violent offenders were abused as kids , and prison only makes them worse. We get it , you don't like Jelly Roll

I'm with Dom on this Ben.
There are poor people who have every excuse in the world available, but don't lead criminal lives.
Poor whites? Jelly Roll versus JD Vance. 40 stints in prison v Yale Law and the Marines.
My wife is from a town of 200 in Iowa. There were some poor people, but decent people, only one career druggie dysfunctional who remains that way to this day.

And Ben, the biggest questions in my mind...
If he did 40 stints in prison selling drugs, how many people OD'd or died on those drugs?
If they did, are they acceptable collateral damage, sacrificed to the glory achieved by Jelly Roll, the celebrity?

If his particular drugs killed nobody, he contributed to an enterprise and degeneracy that has killed hundreds of thousands.

Lastly,
When Jelly Roll peaks and starts down the backside of his career, will he stay clean?

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Originally Posted by bennash
Most kids who sell drugs come from bad childhoods , He was one of them. A lot of violent offenders were abused as kids , and prison only makes them worse. We get it , you don't like Jelly Roll

I'm with Dom on this Ben.
There are poor people who have every excuse in the world available, but don't lead criminal lives.
Poor whites? Jelly Roll versus JD Vance. 40 stints in prison v Yale Law and the Marines.
My wife is from a town of 200 in Iowa. There were some poor people, but decent people, only one career druggie dysfunctional who remains that way to this day.

And Ben, the biggest questions in my mind...
If he did 40 stints in prison selling drugs, how many people OD'd or died on those drugs?
If they did, are they acceptable collateral damage, sacrificed to the glory achieved by Jelly Roll, the celebrity?

If his particular drugs killed nobody, he contributed to an enterprise and degeneracy that has killed hundreds of thousands.

Lastly,
When Jelly Roll peaks and starts down the backside of his career, will he stay clean?


Well the topic was the use of AI in a movie , not really who likes Jelly Roll
I don't know Jelly Roll , So how would I know if I would like him ?
He seems alright from interviews I've heard on him. Probably stay clean , he's 40 now and grown up , He states in songs and interviews he hates his past as a violent drug dealer. I think ex convicts scare everyone .

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Originally Posted by bennash
Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Originally Posted by bennash
Most kids who sell drugs come from bad childhoods , He was one of them. A lot of violent offenders were abused as kids , and prison only makes them worse. We get it , you don't like Jelly Roll

I'm with Dom on this Ben.
There are poor people who have every excuse in the world available, but don't lead criminal lives.
Poor whites? Jelly Roll versus JD Vance. 40 stints in prison v Yale Law and the Marines.
My wife is from a town of 200 in Iowa. There were some poor people, but decent people, only one career druggie dysfunctional who remains that way to this day.

And Ben, the biggest questions in my mind...
If he did 40 stints in prison selling drugs, how many people OD'd or died on those drugs?
If they did, are they acceptable collateral damage, sacrificed to the glory achieved by Jelly Roll, the celebrity?

If his particular drugs killed nobody, he contributed to an enterprise and degeneracy that has killed hundreds of thousands.

Lastly,
When Jelly Roll peaks and starts down the backside of his career, will he stay clean?


Well the topic was the use of AI in a movie , not really who likes Jelly Roll
I don't know Jelly Roll , So how would I know if I would like him ?
He seems alright from interviews I've heard on him. Probably stay clean , he's 40 now and grown up , He states in songs and interviews he hates his past as a violent drug dealer
Lol, but the movie was about his drug dealing past. Fuel that back story

Id rather somebody who steals cars and picks wallets, without harm..

He left a long trail of hurt dealing .

He's what makes the world dangerous to live in, why kids in playgrounds get shot by accident. Why people of, why mothers lose their son's and daughters.

Then we celebrate by paying him to tell us about it

You don't see ANY problem with it?

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Originally Posted by bennash
Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Originally Posted by bennash
Most kids who sell drugs come from bad childhoods , He was one of them. A lot of violent offenders were abused as kids , and prison only makes them worse. We get it , you don't like Jelly Roll

I'm with Dom on this Ben.
There are poor people who have every excuse in the world available, but don't lead criminal lives.
Poor whites? Jelly Roll versus JD Vance. 40 stints in prison v Yale Law and the Marines.
My wife is from a town of 200 in Iowa. There were some poor people, but decent people, only one career druggie dysfunctional who remains that way to this day.

And Ben, the biggest questions in my mind...
If he did 40 stints in prison selling drugs, how many people OD'd or died on those drugs?
If they did, are they acceptable collateral damage, sacrificed to the glory achieved by Jelly Roll, the celebrity?

If his particular drugs killed nobody, he contributed to an enterprise and degeneracy that has killed hundreds of thousands.

Lastly,
When Jelly Roll peaks and starts down the backside of his career, will he stay clean?


Well the topic was the use of AI in a movie , not really who likes Jelly Roll
I don't know Jelly Roll , So how would I know if I would like him ?
He seems alright from interviews I've heard on him. Probably stay clean , he's 40 now and grown up , He states in songs and interviews he hates his past as a violent drug dealer
Lol, but the movie was about his drug dealing past. Fuel that back story

Id rather somebody who steals cars and picks wallets, without harm..

He left a long trail of hurt dealing .

He's what makes the world dangerous to live in, why kids in playground get shot by accident. Why people of, why mothers kose their sins and daughters.

Then we celebrate by paying him to tell us about it

You dint see ANY problem with it?

I'm in no position to judge Jelly Roll from my violent past , numerous past regrets . I see no problem on a man that has turned his life around thru music. But lets touch on AI , its taken over about everything , like it or not .

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Ben, I have a single question for you. At the bottom

Set-up...
My entire life, I have watched the "social scientists" in colleges give reasons why criminals are predetermined by genetics and background.
I don't argue with that. I think that there is truth in it. But at what point do you draw a line? (rhetorical question)

The actual question...
Drugs are headed into the United States every day, that kill people.
In my wife's small town in Iowa, her brother got mixed up with the town druggie...and ended up with with psychosis and then killing himself. 6 children in the family. 1 got deep into drugs and it ended his life.

THE QUESTION FOR BEN,
There were boats headed to the USA stocked with drugs that would have likely resulted in deaths in the US.

Is it a better solution to try to capture them and understand the root causes that led these boaters to a life of criminal activity?...
or
Is it better to blow them out of the water, and the dying that those drugs would have caused...never happened?

Awaiting your reply,

Marty

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Ben, I have a single question for you. At the bottom

Set-up...
My entire life, I have watched the "social scientists" in colleges give reasons why criminals are predetermined by genetics and background.
I don't argue with that. I think that there is truth in it. But at what point do you draw a line? (rhetorical question)

The actual question...
Drugs are headed into the United States every day, that kill people.
In my wife's small town in Iowa, her brother got mixed up with the town druggie...and ended up with with psychosis and then killing himself. 6 children in the family. 1 got deep into drugs and it ended his life.

THE QUESTION FOR BEN,
There were boats headed to the USA stocked with drugs that will likely result in deaths in the US.

Is it a better solution to try to capture them and understand the root causes that led these boaters to a life of criminal activity?...
or
Is it better to blow them out of the water, and the dying that those drugs would caused...never happens?

Awaiting your reply,

Marty

My views ? I'd invade South America and kill the cartel and keep killing them , I'd set up an infrastructure like the US in South America , I'm tired of hearing we're a 3rd world country . But we know that will never happen , So kids will keep dying from drugs


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But how does one turn their life around with music? You get amazingly lucky, that's how

How bout turning your life around by getting a job and living fair life?

Because it's not enough, there's not enough money in working at a grocery store and it's hard working 9-5

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The real true cause of drugs is that people want them. No market, no drugs.

So you could argue that if not jelly roll somebody else will sell it,and no buyers no money in drugs.

They have considered death penalty for drug dealers.

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
But how does one turn their life around with music? You get amazingly lucky, that's how

How bout turning your life around by getting a job and living fair life?

Because it's not enough, there's not enough money in working at a grocery store and it's hard working 9-5

You're judgmental , I'm in no position to judge him Dom. if you watch the movie he toured endlessly in a broke down van for years before he made it , like most stars

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Originally Posted by bennash
My views ? I'd invade South America and kill the cartel and keep killing them , I'd set up an infrastructure like the US in South America , I'm tired of hearing we're a 3rd world country . But we know that will never happen , So kids will keep dying from drugs

There is rumor on right-wing outlets that Trump is setting up to drop some bombs on Maduro. So you might get a piece of that.
I doubt we will ever see a permanent infrastructure.

Your answer surprised me.
Unbeknownst to even yourself...you might be a Trumplican.

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Originally Posted by bennash
My views ? I'd invade South America and kill the cartel and keep killing them , I'd set up an infrastructure like the US in South America , I'm tired of hearing we're a 3rd world country . But we know that will never happen , So kids will keep dying from drugs

There is rumor on right-wing outlets that Trump is setting up to drop some bombs on Maduro. So you might get a piece of that.
I doubt we will ever see a permanent infrastructure.

Your answer surprised me.
Unbeknownst to even yourself...you might be a Trumplican.


I really don't like Trump , he's a bit arrogant , But I've always thought the cartel should be handled like garbage and keep killing them. The government keeps preaching honesty for all citizens , They're crooks

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Perhaps the Democrats are right...

Just let the common rabble have all the drugs, prostitution, and crime that they want. Evolution and natural selection will work itself out...

In the meantime, the rest of us can escape into AI and bow to a digital god.


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Originally Posted by bennash
I really don't like Trump , he's a bit arrogant , But I've always thought the cartel should be handled like garbage and keep killing them

"Arrogant" is a mild description of Trump.

But life is choices.
Early on, Harris went down to Central America to gain "an understanding of the root causes" of migration into the US.
Where did that get us?
The cartels thrived under Biden and Harris. Business was outstanding for them. They were easily setting up an infrastructure on this side of the border, that still exists.

Trump secures the border and blows up drug boats. The cartels hate him.

Choices.

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Originally Posted by bennash
I really don't like Trump , he's a bit arrogant , But I've always thought the cartel should be handled like garbage and keep killing them

"Arrogant" is a mild description of Trump.

But life is choices.
Early on, Harris went down to Central America to gain "an understanding of the root causes" of migration into the US.
Where did that get us?
The cartels thrived under Biden and Harris. Business was outstanding for them. They were easily setting up an infrastructure on this side of the border, that still exists.

Trump secures the border and blows up drug boats. The cartels hate him.

Choices.


Pretty much , There's probably only so much you can do , alot of wheels to grease


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Originally Posted by bennash
Pretty much , There's probably only so much you can do , alot of wheels to grease

A word of caution...
If you have a boat, don't be tooling around in the ocean off of San Diego-Tijuana with anything in the boat that would look like a load of drugs, to a drone operator.

FYI

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Jelly rolls christian values lol. I saw picture if his wife i had two questions.

How does somebody that hot get hooked up with him. I googled.

https://www.google.com/search?q=wha...&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

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Fits in nicely with the finding God rhetoric

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Jelly rolls christian values lol. I saw picture if his wife i had two questions.

How does somebody that hot get hooked up with him. I googled.

https://www.google.com/search?q=wha...&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8



You're judging her too , I've never walked on water. She turned her life around with JR, Maybe he needed some one like her , hard to say. Wasn't the Who guitarist concerned a peodifle ? , its all alot of bullshit on the media on stars

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Jelly rolls christian values lol. I saw picture if his wife i had two questions.

How does somebody that hot get hooked up with him. I googled.

https://www.google.com/search?q=wha...&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

Dayum,
I really like NEED A FAVOR. I think that it is a well-written, outstanding and compelling song...but I would probably have been better off not learning too much about Jelly Roll.
It is getting easier to see what fuels his critics.

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They didn't turn their life around together she only quit adult entertainment in 2022.

Prolly realizing [naughty word removed] I have a lot of money now

Bunnie XO's Career Before Jelly Roll
Exotic Dancing and Sex Work: Bunnie XO began working in the adult industry around age 18, initially as an exotic dancer in Las Vegas. This led to her career as an escort and sex worker, where she earned significant income from "sugar daddies" and other clients.
Financial Independence: She worked in the adult industry to support herself and achieve financial independence, which she valued.
Transition to Online Content: By 2020, she transitioned from in-person services to OnlyFans, which was highly profitable and allowed her to build her brand, Bunnie XO, into a successful business.
Relationship with Jelly Roll
Meeting in 2015: Jelly Roll and Bunnie XO met in 2015 when she attended one of his performances in Las Vegas.
Financial Support: Before they were married, Bunnie XO supported Jelly Roll when he was struggling financially and seeking custody of his daughter, providing him with a stable place to live and financial help.

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
They didn't turn their life around together she only quit adult entertainment in 2022.

Prolly realizing [naughty word removed] I have a lot of money now

Bunnie XO's Career Before Jelly Roll
Exotic Dancing and Sex Work: Bunnie XO began working in the adult industry around age 18, initially as an exotic dancer in Las Vegas. This led to her career as an escort and sex worker, where she earned significant income from "sugar daddies" and other clients.
Financial Independence: She worked in the adult industry to support herself and achieve financial independence, which she valued.
Transition to Online Content: By 2020, she transitioned from in-person services to OnlyFans, which was highly profitable and allowed her to build her brand, Bunnie XO, into a successful business.
Relationship with Jelly Roll
Meeting in 2015: Jelly Roll and Bunnie XO met in 2015 when she attended one of his performances in Las Vegas.
Financial Support: Before they were married, Bunnie XO supported Jelly Roll when he was struggling financially and seeking custody of his daughter, providing him with a stable place to live and financial help.



man do you walk on water ? , Why don't you go to a studio lol


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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Jelly rolls christian values lol. I saw picture if his wife i had two questions.

How does somebody that hot get hooked up with him. I googled.

https://www.google.com/search?q=wha...&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

Dayum,
I really like NEED A FAVOR. I think that it is a well-written, outstanding and compelling song...but I would probably have been better off not learning too much about Jelly Roll.
It is getting easier to see what fuels his critics.


ha ha ha , right , Were all walking on water here


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If Ben hadn't posted this movie, I wouldn't have known anything.

My only hope is that he dies good for humanity, gives back, creates change...not by saying don't do this, but by creating opportunity for people in his situation

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You can't trust any source anymore. Presumably these facts are checked out. Even if they are only half-true...role models?

All of this reminds me of one of my guilty pleasures back on TS.
I would state that if the world never new Jim Morrison, Jimmy Hendrix, Janis Joplin or Michael Jackson...musically there would be no sense of loss and the drug addled rock-stars who snuffed themselves out with excess and overdoses, would never have existed as a role model, for the casualties that we never even heard of.

When I would write that, this bevy of old hippies would become apoplectic. To say that about their rock gods was heresy.
Truthfully their reactions tickled me and I meant the statement.

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
If Ben hadn't posted this movie, I wouldn't have known anything.

My only hope is that he dies good for humanity, gives back, creates change...not by saying don't do this, but by creating opportunity for people in his situation

He got a pardon by governor , So he must of did things in favorable light to get one


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Originally Posted by bennash
He got a pardon by governor , So he must of did things in favorable light to get one

Money and fame. Politicians go to both like flies go to honey.

Pardons don't necessarily declare virtue. Ghislaine Maxwell wants to deal a pardon from Trump. If he gives her one, does that make her virtuous?

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It woulda been devasting to rock music and it could be way different if Hendrix never existed.

They were hurting themselves, and back then most people didn't know anything about the people behind the legend

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Originally Posted by bennash
Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
If Ben hadn't posted this movie, I wouldn't have known anything.

My only hope is that he dies good for humanity, gives back, creates change...not by saying don't do this, but by creating opportunity for people in his situation

He got a pardon by governor , So he must of did things in favorable light to get one

Turkeys get pardoned all the time

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
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He got a pardon by governor , So he must of did things in favorable light to get one

Money and fame. Politicians go to both like flies go to honey.

Pardons don't necessarily declare virtue. Ghislaine Maxwell wants to deal a pardon from Trump. If he gives her one, does that make her virtuous?


Could be , I don't follow the circus much Dom , it's like a belly full of rattle snakes listening to all the bullshit. I have no idea who she is. Yeah the Epstein bullshit , I could carless

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Originally Posted by JAPOV
Perhaps the Democrats are right...

Just let the common rabble have all the drugs, prostitution, and crime that they want. Evolution and natural selection will work itself out...

In the meantime, the rest of us can escape into AI and bow to a digital god.

Hmmmmn...
A shooting last night in N Carolina, and another in Michigan this morning.

Seems like liberal "social engineering" is working...


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It woulda been devasting to rock music and it could be way different if Hendrix never existed.

They were hurting themselves, and back then most people didn't know anything about the people behind the legend

If rock music never existed and the same energy went into a revitalization of Mozart and Beethoven, the world would have been fine...likely much better.

There would have been guitar greats nonetheless. Clapton, the heroine addict managed not to kill himself. There would have been a Van Halen, Steve Vai, Eric Johnson, White Snake, SPRINGSTEEN...or their equivalents. 1-4-5-6 would have gotten used up same as it has today.

What is more important?
A cure for pancreatic cancer or Foxy Lady?
Computers and cancer research were inevitable with or without a crew of drug addled rock stars.

How fun...I'm getting to do it again.

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Originally Posted by JAPOV
Originally Posted by JAPOV
Perhaps the Democrats are right...

Just let the common rabble have all the drugs, prostitution, and crime that they want. Evolution and natural selection will work itself out...

In the meantime, the rest of us can escape into AI and bow to a digital god.

Hmmmmn...
A shooting last night in N Carolina, and another in Michigan this morning.

Seems like liberal "social engineering" is working...


Never watch the news , I don't like poisoning my mornings , Well gun control , that worn out argument


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Originally Posted by JAPOV
Hmmmmn...
A shooting last night in N Carolina, and another in Michigan this morning.

Seems like liberal "social engineering" is working...

When a democrat is president, right-wingers do most of the shooting.
When Trump is president, it's lefties.

Cause and effect in a nation that is "Balkanizing."

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Originally Posted by JAPOV
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Perhaps the Democrats are right...

Just let the common rabble have all the drugs, prostitution, and crime that they want. Evolution and natural selection will work itself out...

In the meantime, the rest of us can escape into AI and bow to a digital god.

Hmmmmn...
A shooting last night in N Carolina, and another in Michigan this morning.

Seems like liberal "social engineering" is working...

And guitar sales just keep tanking...


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Originally Posted by JAPOV
Originally Posted by JAPOV
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Perhaps the Democrats are right...

Just let the common rabble have all the drugs, prostitution, and crime that they want. Evolution and natural selection will work itself out...

In the meantime, the rest of us can escape into AI and bow to a digital god.

Hmmmmn...
A shooting last night in N Carolina, and another in Michigan this morning.

Seems like liberal "social engineering" is working...

And guitar sales just keep tanking...


probably cuz of AI songs lol


https://www.dreamguitars.com/shop/i...-pELlahWIhT8XuR9kLTsl3aGxoRoCpEcQAvD_BwE


100k one guitar

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Originally Posted by JAPOV
And guitar sales just keep tanking...

They went through the roof during Covid because people wanted something to do while they were locked away.
The mfgs saw that as a green light to ramp production.
Then covid ends and demand goes away.

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Originally Posted by JAPOV
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Perhaps the Democrats are right...

Just let the common rabble have all the drugs, prostitution, and crime that they want. Evolution and natural selection will work itself out...

In the meantime, the rest of us can escape into AI and bow to a digital god.

Hmmmmn...
A shooting last night in N Carolina, and another in Michigan this morning.

Seems like liberal "social engineering" is working...

And guitar sales just keep tanking...

Somebody should write a song about guns and politics...

Oh, wait...

https://www.jpfolks.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1189285/my-gun.html#Post1189285


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About three years from now, I predict "P Diddy" is going to be transformed into the quintessential NY Super-Negro, and the whole damn world will be Diddy-Boping to his brand new twerking video. And, yes, there will be Baby Oil!


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Five years from now, I predict "P Diddy" is going to be transformed into the quintessential NY Super-Negro, and the whole damn world will be diddy-boping to his brand new twerking video. And, yes, there will be Baby Oil!

Who knows the rich always win. He's the new OJ , money talks

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