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Originally Posted by JAPOV
You are sooooo close, Dom...

Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
People screw up the world, not God, not Satan

People screw up the world depending upon which they choose. And, often, even if they choose wisely, they still screw it up!

That's why what God did on the cross was so necessary...

The muslims try to do allah's job for him, as instructed by the qur'an.

God has already done all the work and just wants a little thanks and recognition.

Not all Muslims do that, and besides, one persons brainwashing is another persons enlightentment.

Im human, I do get suspicious or fearful when I see Muslims, mostly the men, the women are not usually involved in anything...much like the Mafia

But there are so many religions, so many books, so many bibles, you choose the one your are born into and taught.

If your parents were muslim, you would be too, wondering why everybody thinks your so bad.

PEOPLE [naughty word removed] up the world, and the reason they [naughty word removed] it up is cause they dont understand the basis of all religions.

Love one another, as you would yourself. If everybody did that, all this bull [naughty word removed] would be non existent.

Alot of you guys make it a sport mentality. Our team verses their team. No, one group inherited one religion, the other group another.

Why is it when people have visions of God, it's always the God they know, or belive in. A Muslim will have visions of Mohammed.

Christians have visions of Jesus. Catholics have visions of Mary, have you ever heard of a Hindu having a vision of the virgin Mary?

It's all the the brain dude. When people have near death experiences, they always see the God they know. None have come back and said, well you know i was a Christian my whole life, but for some reason i saw a vision of Krishna. It's how we are raised and how we are wired.

Basics, take the Ten Commandments, and add do unto to others, and you have all you need for any religion

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One of the most underrated, understated albums of all time. little stevens Born Again Savage , many religious themes in it

This song has alot of truth in it


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What a powerful song, same album


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Originally Posted by Everett Adams
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Everett...for you to call Muslims evil is xenophobic, un Christian, and simply ignorant. To say they represent the fight between God and Satan is worse than ignorant.

Drink your Koolaid if you must, but do it behind closed doors where you will not look ignorant

I think the ignorant one is you. If you watch what is going on in the world you would know that Christians are being murdered daily by Muslims, just because they won't renounce their belief in Jesus. I'm not saying all Muslims are evil, but you have a radical percentage that are, as we just saw in Israel. Read the bible, you will see in the last days that God will separate the goats and the sheep, the tares and the wheat, the good and the evil. I'm reading a book by William Federer about the history of Islam, you should read it. Like I said not all Muslims are bad, just as not all Christians are good. I would say many Muslims would condemn what Hamas did to the Jews on Oct. 7 while shouting Allah Akbar, just as people are condemning the Jews for what they are doing to avenge what they did to them. It is a spiritual battle spilling over into this world, the Jews are God chosen people and the land of Israel was given to Abraham and his descendance (the Jews) but the other surrounding countries have been trying to drive them out ever since 1948 when they moved back. I don't know if you are Christian or not or if you ever read the bible, but it is a history of the Jews and what will happen to them and it is coming to a head now. Whether this evolves into the final battle of Armageddon or not remains to be seen, but it could, then God will intervein and destroy 5/6 of the armies attacking Israel.

Like I said not all Muslims are bad, just as not all Christians are good.

Didn’t you mean to say....“Like I said not all Muslims are bad, just as not all Christians are bad. “


I would say many Muslims would condemn what Hamas did to the Jews on Oct. 7

Wouldn’t you also say that many Jews would condemn what Israel did to the Palestinian people?
Interesting that you said, instead, “just as people are condemning the Jews for what they are doing to avenge what they did to them”...you chose to use “people” instead of Jews


If you watch what is going on in the world you would know that Christians are being murdered daily by Muslims, just because they won't renounce their belief in Jesus.

Are there no Muslims being murdered by Christians/Jews?


I'm not saying all Muslims are evil, but you have a radical percentage that are....

the exact same sentence applies for Jews Christians


the Jews are God chosen people...
If a Jew doesn’t believe in Jesus, as the Son Of God, what is the importance of being His chosen people...they will never be saved? Never get to be with God?


Read the bible, you will see in the last days that God will separate the goats and the sheep, the tares and the wheat, the good and the evil.....

And this is not the last days. And in a little while, when this too passes...then what?

I think the ignorant one is you....

Nice way to start off your response, Everett....as Christians, we expect to be persecuted for our belief in Christ...it matters not what John said to you...how you responded to him is the issue....I kinda think your opening sentence failed the test, IMO...John gave you an opportunity, you could drive a truck through, to enlighten him, and you, once again, went on about “the end times, Armageddon, Christians being murdered daily, but not Muslims, Muslims being bad and Christians being good and it is coming to a head now...if you want to find a way to help non-Christians to a better understanding of Christianity, this diatribe doesn’t pass the test...if you want to chase them away, you might be on the right track


IMO, we will never give a non-believer a reason for accepting Christ as their personal Savior by hammering them over the head with Bible verse and filling them with doom and gloom...they’re not interested IMO...they may, however, be interested in hearing your story...just a thought

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Originally Posted by JAPOV
You are sooooo close, Dom...

Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
People screw up the world, not God, not Satan

People screw up the world depending upon which they choose. And, often, even if they choose wisely, they still screw it up!

That's why what God did on the cross was so necessary...

The muslims try to do allah's job for him, as instructed by the qur'an.

God has already done all the work and just wants a little thanks and recognition.

Not all Muslims do that, and besides, one persons brainwashing is another persons enlightentment.

Im human, I do get suspicious or fearful when I see Muslims, mostly the men, the women are not usually involved in anything...much like the Mafia

But there are so many religions, so many books, so many bibles, you choose the one your are born into and taught.

If your parents were muslim, you would be too, wondering why everybody thinks your so bad.

PEOPLE [naughty word removed] up the world, and the reason they [naughty word removed] it up is cause they dont understand the basis of all religions.

Love one another, as you would yourself. If everybody did that, all this bull [naughty word removed] would be non existent.

Alot of you guys make it a sport mentality. Our team verses their team. No, one group inherited one religion, the other group another.

Why is it when people have visions of God, it's always the God they know, or belive in. A Muslim will have visions of Mohammed.

Christians have visions of Jesus. Catholics have visions of Mary, have you ever heard of a Hindu having a vision of the virgin Mary?

It's all the the brain dude. When people have near death experiences, they always see the God they know. None have come back and said, well you know i was a Christian my whole life, but for some reason i saw a vision of Krishna. It's how we are raised and how we are wired.

Basics, take the Ten Commandments, and add do unto to others, and you have all you need for any religion
Again... So close, yet so far.

The "origin" of the Decalogue is what's most important. Anything else is just a poor substitute.

I see now that you're far too mired in the politics to understand...

Remember, it was politics that fulfilled the prophetic crucifixion of Jesus... and politics that blinded God's own chosen people.

There is only one Truth, and only one origin.

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"Religion gives me a head-ache : The big bang theory makes more sense" But I guess God might have something to do with it "
"The Bible is no less violent than the world today"
"My buddy is Jewish that lives in San Fran... He's worried on telling people his Jewish: Due to backlash on the Israel deal "

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In some ways I admire the Muslims, the 95 % that want to live a normal life. They are loyal to their beliefs and live their lives by their beliefs, many Christians are Christian in name only, their life style does not reflect what they claim to be, they are the lukewarm Christians that Jesus said He will spew out of His mouth. I admired the way the Muslims stood up against what is being taught is many of our schools, many Christians stood up too but many did not. I am not condemning Muslims, only the 5% that murder in the name of their god and think they are doing the work of God.
And VNORTH2, there are small c christians and capital C Christians, which group do you fall into.

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Originally Posted by bennash
"Religion gives me a head-ache : The big bang theory makes more sense" But I guess God might have something to do with it "
Science contradicts itself. By its own "laws", anything left to random chance deteriorates... "Big Bang" is sit-com sci-fi.

Originally Posted by bennash
"The Bible is no less violent than the world today"
100% correct! The Bible is a history book showing just how violent mankind has always been

Originally Posted by bennash
"My buddy is Jewish that lives in San Fran... He's worried on telling people his Jewish: Due to backlash on the Israel deal "
I don't blame him... The entire world turning against God and His chosen people is Biblical prophecy.

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Originally Posted by Everett Adams
In some ways I admire the Muslims, the 95 % that want to live a normal life. They are loyal to their beliefs and live their lives by their beliefs, many Christians are Christian in name only, their life style does not reflect what they claim to be, they are the lukewarm Christians that Jesus said He will spew out of His mouth. I admired the way the Muslims stood up against what is being taught is many of our schools, many Christians stood up too but many did not. I am not condemning Muslims, only the 5% that murder in the name of their god and think they are doing the work of God.
And VNORTH2, there are small c christians and capital C Christians, which group do you fall into.
Hmmmm...
I'm not so sure about those percentages. Especially when you consider MidEast countries don't even recognize Western muslims to be truly faithful. But, then again, the shiite and sunnis don't even respect each other...

There are many gifts of the spirit, but discipline isn't one of them. Worship is a matter of the heart.

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In your writings. on this thread, one would have to assume you are a small c christian, Everett, and I, like you, sin, so are there really any Capital C Christians...everyone of us reads the teachings of Jesus and yet we do not follow them 100%, so none are Capital C Christians...everyone has evil and good in them...we’re human beings

I was commenting on your post because you regularly see yourself as a latter day prophet and you and I both know that is not true...
Just because I call you out, and I will, when you say such things as “It has been building up for hundreds of years and it is coming to a head now”, with no knowledge whatsoever of that being true, doesn’t make me any less of a Christian than you, Everett. It is important that Christians, such as I, point out these statements as not being true to anyone reading your post

to suggest that "not all Muslims are bad and not all Christians are good" is called "being too cute by half"...

If a Muslim kills a Christian, because they won’t renounce Jesus, sounds like reverse Crusades to me...

And now you take your shot at me "small c/Capital...but then I was expecting that to happen...

so you and I stand side by side in our Faith in Jesus Christ...was that with a small or Capital C, Everett?


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And that is tyhe crux of Everett's Christianity. It is an exclusionary Christianity. Capital C vs small C. You either believe or you don't

And If you don't believe what Everett believes, well off to eternal damnation for you...because only what Everett believes is of value


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Come on guys... Christianity IS exclusive, VERY exclusive. Why do you think islam is the antithesis of Christianity?

The qur'an is actually quite clear about that in a very juvenile sort of way... Whatever the Bible says, the qur'an says the opposite. The biggest difference being God's mercy and forgiveness. The qur'an instructs men to earn the right to stand justified before allah. The Bible says the only true living God has already paid the price for your forgiveness on the cross, and it cannot be earned... only accepted by faith and Spirit. I challenge anyone to read the qur'an and try to explain to me what the true character of God is.

God freely forgives because we are His creation.
The focus of the qur'an is upon allah's brutal judgment of any who do not submit to the authority of muhammed.

The qur'an appeals to men because it puts authority and control in mans hands in the name of allah.
The Bible says men only lord over wildlife and will never be in control lol... and be very careful not to swear by or take God's name in vain.

Steve,
I don't think Everett was really attacking your faith. But, he's right to point out that there is no grey area between islam and Christianity.

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I try to live a Christian life as the bible says. I spent the first 37 years of my life thinking I was a Christian because I went to a Christian church on Sunday, if it was convenient but I made sure to be there on Easter and Christmas. The rest of the week I lived the same as those that never darken a church door. I started reading the bible and I could see I was a very lukewarm Christian at best and maybe a turnoff to those that expected Christians to be a better example in everyday life. So I made the decision to be born again, to accept Jesus as my Saviour and try to live my life as close as I could to the example that Jesus lived His. Salvation is free, not of works lest any man should boast, but salvation without work is dead. Took me a while to determine what that meant. So we are expected to follow what the bible says, to spread the Gospel to those that don't know the Gospel, so that means witnessing, by word and example, by supporting your local church and outreach ministries, feeding and clothing the poor, etc. Using gifts God gave us in service to Him and our fellow man. I know I fall short many times but I try. Being a Christian will bring on attacks from Satan, our fellow man and even other Christians, When this happens the bible says to rejoice because God knows you are working for Him and making a difference. We should examine ourselves daily to make sure we are living like God wants us to live. If I see someone heading for destruction and don't tell them, I may be held responsible for that person's destruction. That is in the bible. Being a Christian is not an easy walk in the park, we represent our Holy God and should bring glory to His name, not shame.

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You'd think it would be fun to be right all the time...

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That is quite different than what the media led us to believe. Convicted by mob mentality

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Originally Posted by Everett Adams
That is quite different than what the media led us to believe. Convicted by mob mentality
It's worse than that...
The "mob" is politically motivated and funded.
Think about it this way; First the Blacks, then the Alphabetasexuals, now Islam... who's next? The Chinese?

https://www.foxnews.com/media/fbi-c...secret-chinese-lab-us-reads-movie-script

Everyone thinks America is the enemy... Hitler would be proud.

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We are being set up for world government and the antichrist. The last days are scary but exciting as we see it unfold.

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Originally Posted by Everett Adams
I try to live a Christian life as the bible says. I spent the first 37 years of my life thinking I was a Christian because I went to a Christian church on Sunday, if it was convenient but I made sure to be there on Easter and Christmas. The rest of the week I lived the same as those that never darken a church door. I started reading the bible and I could see I was a very lukewarm Christian at best and maybe a turnoff to those that expected Christians to be a better example in everyday life. So I made the decision to be born again, to accept Jesus as my Saviour and try to live my life as close as I could to the example that Jesus lived His. Salvation is free, not of works lest any man should boast, but salvation without work is dead. Took me a while to determine what that meant. So we are expected to follow what the bible says, to spread the Gospel to those that don't know the Gospel, so that means witnessing, by word and example, by supporting your local church and outreach ministries, feeding and clothing the poor, etc. Using gifts God gave us in service to Him and our fellow man. I know I fall short many times but I try. Being a Christian will bring on attacks from Satan, our fellow man and even other Christians, When this happens the bible says to rejoice because God knows you are working for Him and making a difference. We should examine ourselves daily to make sure we are living like God wants us to live. If I see someone heading for destruction and don't tell them, I may be held responsible for that person's destruction. That is in the bible. Being a Christian is not an easy walk in the park, we represent our Holy God and should bring glory to His name, not shame.

This is interesting, because as I see it, most people don't care about what the Bible tells them, in regards to their behavior.

If you try to live as closely to Jesus, you'd be loving your enemies, you'd be turning the other cheek. You'd love all Muslims as if they were brothers.

Actions speak louder than words, faith without works is dead.

most of that is never considered. Only doomsday and signs the world is ending.

I recall the period of time of Saddam, he was the third Antichrist. Then Bin Laden was, and throughout history, there were dozens of would be antichrists

Now that Saddam and Bin Laden are dead, we need new antichrists, because it didn't complete our story, we must see Armageddon.
Anti Christ is a bit like the boy who cried wolf.

Get back to basics in music, and In spirituality... The most important commandment... Not suggestion, but commandment according to The Man Himself is love one another as yourself.

Do that and Jesus doesn't even need to come again.

If your not following the most important commandment your bullshitin

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
This is interesting, because as I see it, most people don't care about what the Bible tells them, in regards to their behavior.

If you try to live as closely to Jesus, you'd be loving your enemies, you'd be turning the other cheek. You'd love all Muslims as if they were brothers.

Actions speak louder than words, faith without works is dead.

most of that is never considered. Only doomsday and signs the world is ending.

I recall the period of time of Saddam, he was the third Antichrist. Then Bin Laden was, and throughout history, there were dozens of would be antichrists

Now that Saddam and Bin Laden are dead, we need new antichrists, because it didn't complete our story, we must see Armageddon.
Anti Christ is a bit like the boy who cried wolf.

Get back to basics in music, and In spirituality... The most important commandment... Not suggestion, but commandment according to The Man Himself is love one another as yourself.

Do that and Jesus doesn't even need to come again.

If your not following the most important commandment your bullshitin
So, Israel should just lay down their arms, forgive those who decapitate and cook their babies, rape and murder civilians, and perpetually profess faith in a false god that wants to destroy them? To prove their love?

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Originally Posted by Everett Adams
We are being set up for world government and the antichrist. The last days are scary but exciting as we see it unfold.
Yep!
And many will be fooled by the antichrist's message of peace and prosperity... as a reward for worship.

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Originally Posted by JAPOV
Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
This is interesting, because as I see it, most people don't care about what the Bible tells them, in regards to their behavior.

If you try to live as closely to Jesus, you'd be loving your enemies, you'd be turning the other cheek. You'd love all Muslims as if they were brothers.

Actions speak louder than words, faith without works is dead.

most of that is never considered. Only doomsday and signs the world is ending.

I recall the period of time of Saddam, he was the third Antichrist. Then Bin Laden was, and throughout history, there were dozens of would be antichrists

Now that Saddam and Bin Laden are dead, we need new antichrists, because it didn't complete our story, we must see Armageddon.
Anti Christ is a bit like the boy who cried wolf.

Get back to basics in music, and In spirituality... The most important commandment... Not suggestion, but commandment according to The Man Himself is love one another as yourself.

Do that and Jesus doesn't even need to come again.

If your not following the most important commandment your bullshitin
So, Israel should just lay down their arms, forgive those who decapitate and cook their babies, rape and murder civilians, and perpetually profess faith in a false god that wants to destroy them? To prove their love?

Those who live by the sword shall die by the sword , fix that guys ear.

I don't know what Israel should do, but it's clear Jesus is just a symbol, and he certainly wouldn't say war was the answer.

Do you get my point? Follow Jesus, my savior, unless of course it's something I don't agree with Jesus on.

Like turning the other cheek, or selling my belongings

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That figures things start going right with money and peace : and he'll be the 666 guy : Just my luck
"So who is the next 666 ? we seem to like to call anyone with intelligence and a plan 666" Kinda a hobby of ours"
"If you say 666 and the N word it kinda loses its value , But its just a theory"

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We've already discussed that, Dom...
You need a new argument.
*:CORRECTION:*
You need to quit taking the Bible out of context. Text without context is pretext...

Your heart is where your treasure is, gentlemen...

Many people are ALREADY choosing mans wisdom instead of the TRUTH of God.

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How is it taking the Bible out of context ?

Your cherry picking what Bible verses you like best.

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
How is it taking the Bible out of context ?

Your cherry picking what Bible verses you like best.
You're either lazy or just want to argue... Maybe both?
Find the passage and post it.

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I think ya'll are just trying to bury this...

https://www.thefallofminneapolis.com/

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Originally Posted by JAPOV
Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
How is it taking the Bible out of context ?

Your cherry picking what Bible verses you like best.
You're either lazy or just want to argue... Maybe both?
Find the passage and post it.
No not arguing, but think about Jesus would be on the street corners picking fo peace and ceasefire. And He's our God and savior

And you really cant argue that.

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Originally Posted by JAPOV
Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
How is it taking the Bible out of context ?

Your cherry picking what Bible verses you like best.
You're either lazy or just want to argue... Maybe both?
Find the passage and post it.
No not arguing, but think about Jesus would be on the street corners picking fo peace and ceasefire. And He's our God and savior

And you really cant argue that.
Lol...
I like the imagery... but I know better.

Jesus came as the lamb, but returns as the lion.
I'm afraid you're going to be very surprised at what He will be perfectly justified in doing... Truly afraid.

World wide violence and "lawlessness" is certainly an unmistakable sign, and this is a perfect example;
https://www.thefallofminneapolis.com/

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They've been saying that for 2000 years : I'm not sitting here shaking in my boots the worlds coming to a end
I got songs to do
I wasted a few years doing that ; God and his bullshit . Hey man you should have made the world right in the first place
More drama ; Oh yeah: ok amen ; just kidding God : oh mighty spiter: Thou shall chew nicotine gum

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Man will be judged not only for every deed done but for every word he utters.
Jesus was for peace and love but He showed righteous anger when He threw out the money changers from the temple. No man is holy or perfect in his own right, only through Jesus are we accepted as such.

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The Left's propensity for self delusion is only matched by its absurdity...

The BLM narrative and MSM premise is;
4 police officers responding to a disturbance, in broad daylight, in the middle of a busy street, while waiting for an ambulance to arrive, despite the objections of many witnesses, unanimously decided to torture and murder a known criminal... on camera.

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Originally Posted by Everett Adams
Man will be judged not only for every deed done but for every word he utters.
Jesus was for peace and love but He showed righteous anger when He threw out the money changers from the temple. No man is holy or perfect in his own right, only through Jesus are we accepted as such.

He showed anger for what he thought was right. I'm pretty sure he'd be angry at any wars going on. I'm pretty sure he'd be liberal, I'm pretty sure he'd disagree with all the right who use Him as a rallying call.

That said I have no political agenda, but I saw some comments here that I thought were mad disrespectful.

Even if you don't believe In God , there is no reason to disrespect somebody else's beliefs

Conversation is always good though

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Originally Posted by Everett Adams
Man will be judged not only for every deed done but for every word he utters.
Jesus was for peace and love but He showed righteous anger when He threw out the money changers from the temple. No man is holy or perfect in his own right, only through Jesus are we accepted as such.

He showed anger for what he thought was right. I'm pretty sure he'd be angry at any wars going on. I'm pretty sure he'd be liberal, I'm pretty sure he'd disagree with all the right who use Him as a rallying call.

That said I have no political agenda, but I saw some comments here that I thought were mad disrespectful.

Even if you don't believe In God , there is no reason to disrespect somebody else's beliefs

Conversation is always good though
The lights of the world do not shrink away from darkness...
We "Shout From The Rooftops!" wink

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I don't read liberal articles, I don't read conservatives, and I think I'm conservative Democrat.

But I googled and saw this, I think he's right

https://www.fosters.com/story/opini...it-or-not-jesus-was-liberal/18118640007/

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
I don't read liberal articles, I don't read conservatives, and I think I'm conservative Democrat.

But I googled and saw this, I think he's right

https://www.fosters.com/story/opini...it-or-not-jesus-was-liberal/18118640007/

One thing he forget to mention that the bible says "He who will not work, should not eat"

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No one is surprised that you agree with this, Dom...

"Many things confuse me in this world, but one of the biggest is evangelical Christians who ally themselves with right-wing conservative politicians.

I don’t think conservatives are evil, but logic suggests people who are admirers of Jesus Christ would align themselves with those who reflect his values. And it’s pretty hard to argue Jesus was anything but a peace-loving, free-thinking, tree-hugging liberal."

("Many things confuse me in this world"... He should have just stopped there. "free-thinking..?" Jesus only served the will of the Father, and knew His purpose on the cross from the foundation of the Earth.)

"After all, this is the guy who said, “Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which spitefully use you, and persecute you.”"

(Yes, always err on the side of peace; That's just common sense. "An eye for an eye" is just an excuse to seek and perpetuate conflict. However, once your enemy draws his sword... time for negotiation is over.)

"I’m not saying this is either a good thing or a bad thing, and I’m not so arrogant as to claim I know the mind of Jesus Christ. But based on his own words – at least those passed on through the Bible — it shouldn’t be hard to guess which side of the aisle he would come down on if he were here today."

(God wants you to know His will. Why do you think the Bible and the Spirit exist? Just be careful not to be as arrogant as Lucifer... or reduce God down to your limited intellect. God has no use for mans politics... You can never "completely" know the mind of God, but you can understand His will from Heaven's perspective.)

"The conservative’s common argument in matters of national defense is that liberals are doves, too reluctant to employ America’s military might. But who was a bigger dove than Jesus? This is the guy who, in his Sermon on the Mount, said, “Whosoever shall smite you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also.”

This is the guy who said, “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy;” and “Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.”"

(Again, once your enemy draws his sword... you don't offer your enemy your throat. The one true living God does not call his children to be martyrs. Don't confuse Jesus with allah... Jesus wasn't truly a martyr. He still lives, and He'll be back.)

"Liberals are traditionally the folks accused of wanting to increase entitlements for the poor and expand welfare. When conservative politicians talk about budget cuts, these are the areas they look to first.

But wasn’t it Jesus who said, “Give to him that asks you, and from him that would borrow of you turn you not away?”"

(Again, consider God's perspective. God has provided all resources freely... It's man's wisdom, politics, and money that gets in the way.)

"Seems to me folks looking after the less fortunate among us are reflecting the teachings of this same Sermon on the Mount, where Jesus said, “What man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?”

And let’s not forget it was Jesus who fed 5,000 people with five loaves of bread and two fish because he did not want them to go hungry."

(The point here is that we are all God's children, and God provides as He wills.)

"When you’re debating whether to welcome immigrants seeking refuge from war and pestilence in their own countries, remember Jesus saying when you’ve fed the hungry and clothed the naked and taken in the stranger, “Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.”"

(You can't equate open borders with charity... Individually, yes, we all tend to be quite charitable; But, we don't just leave our doors open to anyone... That's foolish.)

"Liberals are sometimes ridiculed for their zeal in protecting the environment, but who was a bigger nature lover than Jesus? Check the Bible and see how often he went to pray in the mountains or the gardens or in the splendid isolation of nature."

(The entire Earth is God's footstool... Not to mention, His own creation.)

"“Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them,” he once said. “Are ye not much better than they?”"

(Yes, God certainly keeps His promise to provide for those who seek to serve His will.)

"“For the earth bringeth forth fruit of herself; first the blade, then the ear, after that the full corn in the ear,” he said on another occasion."

(Mark 4:26, Parable of the Growing Seed

26Jesus also said, “The Kingdom of God is like a farmer who scatters seed on the ground. 27Night and day, while he’s asleep or awake, the seed sprouts and grows, but he does not understand how it happens. 28The earth produces the crops on its own. First a leaf blade pushes through, then the heads of wheat are formed, and finally the grain ripens. 29And as soon as the grain is ready, the farmer comes and harvests it with a sickle, for the harvest time has come.”)

"And later in that same passage, he marveled that a seed “when it is sown, it groweth up, and becometh greater than all herbs, and shooteth out great branches; so that the fowls of the air may lodge under the shadow of it.”"

(Mark 4:30 Parable of the Mustard Seed

30Jesus said, “How can I describe the Kingdom of God? What story should I use to illustrate it? 31It is like a mustard seed planted in the ground. It is the smallest of all seeds, 32but it becomes the largest of all garden plants; it grows long branches, and birds can make nests in its shade.”

It's good the author is referencing parables describing the Kingdom of God; But, what this has to do with charity and open borders is beyond me...)

"The one area where I don’t see Jesus leaning toward the historically liberal viewpoint is abortion. Although I’ve never heard of him specifically addressing the issue, I can’t imagine he’d be a big supporter."

(People have been sacrificing their children to false gods for thousands of years. Perhaps the reason God allows it is because, ultimately, He will make a fierce example of them...)

"My old man, an ordained United Methodist minister for more than 50 years – now theoretically retired – likes to point out liberals are usually identified as “liberators.” They’re inclined to “rock the boat” as Jesus did.

“He was a dreamer who saw life as process with progress,” my pop says. “He embraced the forgotten, the poor, the unknown.”"

(This is actually a very clever deception. Yes, Jesus certainly "rocked the boat", but not for the sake of mans convoluted politics. In fact, it was political officials among His own people who ordered His crucifixion. Perhaps if Jesus had ministered to "them" instead of the "forgotten, poor, and unknown”, things would have turned out differently...)

"Which is why I’m bewildered by evangelical Christian leaders who embraced Donald Trump throughout his presidential campaign and continue to make excuses for him now. Try to imagine a figure in American politics who is more un-Christlike than this billion-dollar spoiled brat.

Jesus advised, “Judge not, lest ye be judged.”

Jesus advised, “Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.”

Jesus advised, “When thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men.”

Trump, on the other hand, says – well, you’ve already heard the lies and insults and threats and accusations, followed by more lies. I can’t bring myself to write his quotes alongside the quotes of Jesus."

(Finally, the author sincerely reveals his true "heartfelt political motivation"... Lol)

"I’ll just mention the wife of Ted Cruz, the family of Capt. Khan, the people of Puerto Rico, John McCain, Rosie O’Donnell, and the numerous women who have accused him of sexual misconduct as people who have experienced Trump’s brand of Christianity. And keep in mind he has never apologized or even taken responsibility for these actions."

(Trump's opposition have certainly proven themselves to be liars...)

"This evangelical support reached a new level of bizarre when Pat Robertson, who I honestly thought was 10 years dead, said the mass shooting at a country music festival in Las Vegas was the result of “disrespect” for Trump. Really? Robertson might have had an argument if the attack had happened at an Eminem concert in Boston, but otherwise that’s quite a stretch."

(Not so much disrespect for Trump as disrespect for God fearing Christian Conservative Constitutionalism...)

"Under this rationale, one could argue the hurricanes in Texas and Florida and the wildfires in California represent God’s wrath for sending this blasphemous buffoon to the Oval Office."

(God's word is certain and true. Those who do not recognize the signs of the times are fools...)

"People bring this up rhetorically but nowadays you seriously have to wonder – what would Jesus say?"

(Jesus would say, "Pull your Head out of your A$$ and Read your Bible!" But... probably not in those words) smile

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The Bible is not a book of religion...

The first page of the Bible opens with this;

Genesis 1
New King James Version
1) In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Then continues with this;

26) Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness.

The opening page of the Bible forces you to ask yourself two very important questions...
Do I accept the existence of an all knowing and all powerful triune God?
And...
Do I accept that I am God's creation and He is in control of my destiny?

If your answer is no, then the Spirit will not enable you to understand the rest of the Bible as it should be. You will not see it from God's perspective (Jesus' Amplified Point Of View). You will only intellectualize the obvious wisdom it contains and dismiss the rest, leaving you with many more questions.

However, you shouldn't be discouraged. The fact that those questions will stick with you is also the Spirit at work. If you earnestly seek God then the Spirit will answer you.

On the other hand, if you allow your intellect to continually struggle and argue with the Spirit, then you deny the power of God.

It is better to fear God than trust your own limited understanding. You should also fear your self indulgent and sinful nature. Being made in His image gives you access, a right of passage. But it does not give you any authority, only dominion over lesser creatures.

You should also understand that you are not God, and respect His divinity.

Matthew 12
31)“Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.
32) Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

The Bible is the only place you can find the Spirit of God.

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Krishna was a savior of the world too
https://study.com/academy/lesson/th...rishna-the-three-paths-to-salvation.html

Only through reading the Gita, can you be saved


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scorcese new Jesus movie...

Gonna be set in modern times. I wonder how pissed off people are gonna be about it,?

Modern times? Will somebody be holding up a cell phone as He walks on water?

https://people.com/martin-scorsese-...sociated-with-organized-religion-8424073

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Faith...

Those who do not know the Spirit accuse the prophets who wrote the Bible of blindly but creatively theorizing about the existence of some higher imperceivable power... and dismiss it as antiquated superstition. Any reference to prophecy is easily explained away as coincidence, or a product of textual forgery and manipulation for centuries. Ultimately, the spiritless demand proof.

Those who do know the Spirit immediately recognize the true author of the Scriptures by their commonality of content, and ceaseless reference to symptoms of spiritual intervention that only the Spirit filled appreciate and understand. Holy Scripture is a joyful validation for the spiritually attuned and easily accepted as fact. The sheep recognize the call of their shepherd.

So, how does "one who knows" describe the indescribable? How do the spiritually enlightened explain the unseen? The one who knows is content and does not toil with mystery, but is a mystery for those who do not know. What word describes the difference between the two?

No, it is not faith.

The knowledgeable man knows that he knows and does not require faith. Faith then becomes an accusation of the ignorant; Faith is belief in the unreasonable and unfounded they say... The man of Spirit already knows his purpose and place in life. The man of logic and reason requires faith to sleep at night.

Hebrews 11
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""1)Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2)For by it the elders obtained a good testimony.
3)By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.""

So, what is faith for the one who doubts?
It is proof of creation and God's gift.
It is an unyielding desire for spiritual confirmation of truth... despite better judgment wink

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No it's not Tony. Faith first of all is a man made word. Nothing supernatural about the word and can be used on anything.

I had surgery on my leg, nurse tells me have faith the doctor will clear it all up he's very good.

I'm still in pain Percocet is useless.

There's a reason for faith there. The Dr has done it before, he has a degree he wants me to recover.

Your faith is based blindly, based on a book.

Where does it say to have faith????? In that same book

Not saying your faith is wrong, I'm saying faith is not a Holy word.

I like where new science is going, works for me. I don't deny A God, I just may differ on what it is

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... you seem to differ only for the sake of difference

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There's no doubt it takes a leap of faith

I was at this show.

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I want your address...

I think you need to know that there are actual "people, JPFolks" on this site.

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Faith...

Those who do not know the Spirit accuse the prophets who wrote the Bible of blindly but creatively theorizing about the existence of some higher imperceivable power... and dismiss it as antiquated superstition. Any reference to prophecy is easily explained away as coincidence, or a product of textual forgery and manipulation for centuries. Ultimately, the spiritless demand proof.

Those who do know the Spirit immediately recognize the true author of the Scriptures by their commonality of content, and ceaseless reference to symptoms of spiritual intervention that only the Spirit filled appreciate and understand. Holy Scripture is a joyful validation for the spiritually attuned and easily accepted as fact. The sheep recognize the call of their shepherd.

So, how does "one who knows" describe the indescribable? How do the spiritually enlightened explain the unseen? The one who knows is content and does not toil with mystery, but is a mystery for those who do not know. What word describes the difference between the two?

No, it is not faith.

The knowledgeable man knows that he knows and does not require faith. Faith then becomes an accusation of the ignorant; Faith is belief in the unreasonable and unfounded they say... The man of Spirit already knows his purpose and place in life. The man of logic and reason requires faith to sleep at night.

Hebrews 11
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""1)Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2)For by it the elders obtained a good testimony.
3)By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.""

So, what is faith for the one who doubts?
It is proof of creation and God's gift.
It is an unyielding desire for spiritual confirmation of truth... despite better judgment wink

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