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Hey Jim

Ok now that I have settled my nerves a little I can reply without anger. Jim I think the point you are missing is this. Some have natural abilities you say? You mention the duffers as if they just won't ever get it. Here is where your thinking is flawed

some are born with not natural ability but learning ability. Some are born with a deficit in learning abilty. That doesn't mean those born with a deficit can't make up for it. Look at Einstien or Abraham Lincoln for examples. People didn't think much of their natural abilites becsuse they didn't learn in the same way others did. They were still considered to be genuises. By your logic dunces like Einstien and talentless singers like Bon Scott of ACDC or John Denver would still be there talentless dunces. However they aren't they made their mark on history. Where is your mark Jim? With your natural ability surely you've had a concert in central park? Seeing how naturally talented you are surely your walls are lined with music awards? No? My point is just because you're saying it doesn't make it so. And I don't think vicki's point was that the body builder could never be a dancer no I think she was saying he could never be a ballerina. Does that mean he couldn't prance a little? Hardly! In fact if he were to work hard at it for years (as vicki was suggesting) He might even be able to dance swan lake eventually. Will it be harder for him than someone who has practiced Ballet for years? Certainly because he doesn't have the form body shape whatever. This however doesn't not make it impossible. I won't bother trying to give examples because you would just refute them.

What I honestly think Jim is that you started in on this because you want to argue your point. you don't wish to civily work through this you just want everyone to agree with you, tough biscuits mate aint gonna happen. You can be as opinionated as you want about this subject it will never change the facts. You are what you are if you're good at singing classic rock(which is debatable depending on my ears) Then that's what your good at if so be proud of it. In the same note for everyone you discourage from trying to do the same I would like you to think about How you'd feel if you suddenly lost the ability. For an example of this just look at Pink Floyd's Roger Waters. He used to bave your natural talent. Last tour they did Gilmour had to take over singing Roger sounded so bad. So if you want to keep this debate up then be my guest but truth be told mate there is such a thing as what comes around goes around an I wouldn't want to be in your shoes when it does!
Derek