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What the hell is this?
http://www.lonelyconservative.com/2...in-brazil-soros-stands-to-reap-dividends

Thanks for another punch in the nose Obama. Well not exactly. It was more of a kick in the groin.

John

it really shows what kind of man(if he is one) he is to think more of foreign countries before our own and if the American people had a say so in lot of this going ons in DC it wouldn't happen! He has taken the "WE" out of the constitution(oh I forgot he gave that to his remove the words czar)

And the winner is.... Obama's good buddy George Soros.

Old news.

Just more NIBY

Why that elitist internationalist Kenyan Islamic... This makes me very, very, very, very angry!

Or it would if it wasn't so full of crap.

The decision was made by Bush appointees.

It's not an investment in Brazil's oil fields. It's loan guarantees for Brazil to buy American products and services touse in Tuli. That's what Ex-Im does. Loan guarantees for foreign companies to buy American products. Grr! Grr!

Unless the law, which was there way before Obama, is changed -- call your representatives -- Export Import Bank can only turn down loans for financial or commercial reasons. That's so the bank, which has been successful enough that it doesn't get appropriations from Congress, can't determine foreign policy.

The Petrobas Tuli oil field is the biggest discovered in at least 10 years and maybe 20. There could be as much as 17 billion barrels of oil there. The idea that George Soros needs the Obama administration to guarantee $2 billion in loans for companies he doesn't own in order to invest in Petrobas is stupid on its face.

http://www.exim.gov/brazil/pressrelease_082009.cfm

NIBY

Is it "Niby the Almighty" you're referring to Doug? I'm not into internet games. Not sure of the implications. Could you enlighten me, so I can stop feeling I missed out on a decade of my life?

Best, John

Not In My Back Yard

Ah...that makes sense now. Thanks Doug. I'll add that to my abbreviation dictionary.

Shouldn't it be NIMBY though?

John

Anyone who shakes hands with Chavez should be considered an enemy to the USA. He's a disgrace to our country and is contradicting everything we stand for. It's to bad that people can't see what a moron he is. . .

Naomisue, I like you ALREADY!

Here here!

MAB

Ugh you know I'm so political its not funny, mix that with a loud mouth and a stubborn personality, it spells disaster!

NaomiSue: Strong political convictions are great, but I am not so sure they will help you in either the song world or the business world. Maintaining a healthy respect for our constitution is perfect. Bad mouthing our leaders based on personal feelings can only cause problems down the road (see Dixie Chicks).

So my other advice would be to avoid this political forum here. It is a poisoned well where no clean water can be drawn. (Edit: Hey, I think I'll write a song around that line, LOL!).

Kevin

Well, I don't know if about poison wells, but it sounds like you drank the Kool-Aid.

Obama and Chavez looooove each other.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/18/AR2009011802325.html


Hmm. Evil must skip a generation.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://georgebush.chez.com/fr/actualites/2001/2001-02-16/chavez.jpg&imgrefurl=http://georgebush.chez.com/en/news/2001/2001-02-16/index.html&usg=__o6X2ZZMCxKghRzMES27MmvGuz9U=&h=405&w=454&sz=28&hl=en&start=6&um=1&tbnid=SXW2ZyMHdDupLM:&tbnh=114&tbnw=128&prev=/images%3Fq%3DBush%2BChavez%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1

Rumsfeld in the day when Reagan thought WMDs were pretty much okey-dokey, as long as they were aimed at Iran.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.thismodernworld.com/weblog/images/rummy-sad-dam.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.thismodernworld.com/weblog/mtarchives/week_2002_12_29.html&usg=__qCgu1sT5V0XMzucbJrz-zbKJic8=&h=240&w=381&sz=27&hl=en&start=19&um=1&tbnid=gYtBxHlervMW4M:&tbnh=77&tbnw=123&prev=/images%3Fq%3DReagan%2BHussein%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26um%3D1

Bush and a sweetheart you've probably never heard of…..

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://mediamatters.org/static/images/item/bush-20090420.jpg&imgrefurl=http://mediamatters.org/research/200904200038&usg=__SjvaBm2loDW6CwLTxi73FGF5bgA=&h=146&w=198&sz=13&hl=en&start=18&um=1&tbnid=jnda0An7KbX16M:&tbnh=77&tbnw=104&prev=/images%3Fq%3DBush%2BUbekistan%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1

Cheney made millions through Halliburton's dealings with Saddam long before the Gulf Wars. Check it out. And the Bush's oil dealings with the bin Ladens. And on and on.

Never mind.

Sounds good to me Naomi.

John

Hi Scott! Good to see your'e still lurking.. We miss you round here! {Seriously, I'm your political polar opposite, but I've always respected you, stop being a stranger!] Naomi, you've got to be FAMOUS first before the jack-asses come down on you...Last time I looked there's still a thing called "free speech" so YOU GO GIRL!
Last I looked my beliefs haven't derailed myself of my bud Ted Nugent..Carry on young lady!

At least I got a song lyric out of it (although it's not too good yet).

Kevin

In her "Right" mind and good looking too... It's a good thing I'm Way too old for her or I might be in love!

I like a woman who has the gumption to stand up for what really counts and NaomiSue you're a true patriotic woman, too bad most of these bimbo women haven't got eyes to see the truth or ears to hear the truth

If last night's embarrassing "campaign" speech to Congress didn't wake people up nothing will.
Obama couldn't help but place blame on "the previous administration". for everything, again. He needs a new scapegoat.

Joyboy should be thanked for the link to the Exim bank. It gives information that refutes rumor and false information. That is important.
Disinformation is dangerous

Three Cheers for the only person with enough guts to face down Obama.
Congressman Wilson.

Unlike the rest of the room who couldn't help fawning over and applauding the lies.

One other thing.
Did anyone notice Obama referred to the Democrats as "My Progressive Friends"
Look it up. Progressive=Socialist?
Maybe not quite but if you are promoting change in a liberal or left wing direction I would say it would tend toward socialism.
I just find it very interesting Obama used the term.

I find it embarrassing and shameful that he would use the cost of the war on terrorism as a comparison to the cost of his health care "reform".
One has nothing to do with the other and I wouldn't be complaining about how much it cost us to defend ourselves against the terrorist's or put a price tag on the sacrifices our soldiers make or the victims of terror.

As far as the reference to Chavez by Naomi. Chavez supports the terrorist's who have attacked us and with whom we are at war. This since 9/11. What ever happened before that don't mean squat.

once again Amen Bill, I wish I coulda been there last night to applaud Joe Wilson and shake his hand

They use the term "progressive" because "liberal" has become a dirty word in their own minds. There are very few proud liberals. They have to change the language.

They tried to degrade conservatives by calling them "neo-cons". It didn't work. A conservative is still proud to be called conservative.

According to this from Newsweek, Joe Wilson got it wrong.



I have no problem with Joe Wilson speaking his conscious, but I can't understand why he is your hero when he can't get his facts straight. (For the record, I think the president should be forced to answer questions from the congress like they do in Great Britain -- but maybe once a month or so).

Kevin

Accusing the President of lying while he's giving a speech? Shameful!

If he thought that the bill really did support health care for illegals then he should have said "You're wrong". Actually, he shouldn't have said anything at all but that would have been perhaps understandable.

Instead, he said, "You lie" - implying that the President knew something was in there (which in fact wasn't in there) and was just trying to pull the wool over their eyes.

Telling the President of the United States that he lies while he is giving a speech to Congress - it's despicable. I don't care what party you are and what party the President is. Every American should feel ashamed and embarrassed by this.

EDIT: Strike "ashamed" from above. Not every American needs to feel ashamed....

Scott

That he did this during a speech is probably considered bad taste. But only because it was a single voice.
However to constantly applaud a lie is also bad taste.

Of course when the same thing was done to President Bush no one complained.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...boo_bush_at_2005_state_of_the_union.html
You can clearly hear the Democrats heckling Bush.

but I guess it's OK when Democrats do it.


Kevin
Give us the page and section of the bill the prohibits illegals from getting care. I skimmed the whole thing and did not see it. I would like to read that.

Bill, do you really equate what went on in that video to what Wilson did?

EDIT: But that's a moot point. Because if you do find a video of some democrat calling President Bush a liar during a public address, I will deplore it.

Scott

Bill,

LOL -- it is 1017 pages long! That would be more than enough reason for me to vote against it! Don't ask me if I understand what the following means -- because you would have to go read those subsections in the Immigration and Nationality Act.



The phrase: "an individual who is lawfully present in a State in the United States" seems to be pretty straight forward. I just searched the bill for immigration, but there could be other confusing subsections in there somewhere.

It would not surprise me if there was some wording somewhere that lawyers will try and use to cover illegal aliens, though. (by the way section B discusses families 400% below the poverty level).

Kevin

Hey Scott, I'm not speaking for Bill, but I don't understand your outrage.
There was eight years of unmitigated personal attacks on president Bush from the Democrat Congress.

So a speech before congress wasn't proper etiquette to shout out "you lie" from a Congressman. Big deal. They had fist fights in Congress in Andrew Jackson's day. We've come a long way baby.

Where was your outrage when Harry Reid called President Bush a "loser" in front of school children?

Had I been aware of it, Ben, I would have been outraged. I would have been embarrassed too. But I would not have been ashamed - because I would have thought he was a jerk. Not someone to be admired for taking a stand.

Yeah, I learned about those fist fights in history class. Not sure I agree that we've come a long way though

Scott

If you read the bill thoroughly you'll find that nowhere in there do you have to provide proof of legalization. So where it does say that Illegal Immigrants can't partake, doesn't mean there isn't an open door for them. If you don't have to provide proof, Bin Laden could resurface in the states and get their health care.

And for Wilson the only thing he did wrong was apologize. He did what countless Americans have been wanting to do since he was elected.

The one right thing Obama did was stop the release of the Abu Ghraib photos which would have been detrimental to our nation's security.

Dont get me confused I don't call myself a conservative republican because even the republican pool is tainted. I am simply a conservative. I would definitely vote for a democrat who had the nation's well being at heart. OBAMA DOES NOT! He has himself and the success of his liberal "friends" (which by the way would dump him in a second if they thought things were going sour)

So it's not the democrats I call on their bs but the whole political community. I don't think either Mccain or Obama were the right president for this country but McCain was the lesser of two evils.

And that is my peace, however off subject I got. :))

For Now.

Hello Zell Miller (Democrat Georgia).

If that's true, Naomi, then God help us.

My experience tells me it isn't true though.

Scott

I like this gal NaomiSue because she has the gumption, and you can say whatever you like against me because it ain't gonna affect me, and she's right Wilson should not have apologized and Obama does not have the will of the people with him, and this my final say so on it so have at me

Nah, I won't have at you, Gary. No point to it....

But let me ask you this: Suppose some guy dragged the American Flag through your front yard. You wouldn't do anything, right? Because it's just a piece of cloth, right?

Just like it's no problem that a congressman calls the President of the United States a liar in open congress. I mean, he's just a guy standing up there talking, right?

If those seem like two entirely different things to you and the others here, then I'm wasting my breath.

No worries - I never get anything useful done this time of day anyway.....

Scott

Scott. All he did was call the president a liar. Nothing more, nothing less.
We have( and so does a member of Congress) the right to do that.

Is that not a right? Or is "loser" a more acceptical word?

Scott what he did was call him a liar, he has that right and if Obama has never been a liar in his whole life then I guess Mister Wilson should formally without any pressure from anyone or party apologize to him.I think Ted Kennedy called Bush a liar on national TV show too back in 03. So Wilson calling him a liar in public is not such a big thing in my opinion.It does have guts tho, what better place to get his attention.

On you other question: how many American flags have been desecrated ALL over the world, and if it was done in my front yard the first thing I would do is to tell the stranger to get off my property and if he or she refused let my law officials know and then file charges if needed, but I think I'd have to know why this person is draggin the flag, maybe it's too heavy for them to carry?

here's an iteresting story where Harry Reid called Bush in 2005 in front of 60 Del Sol High School juniors a loser

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/06/AR2005050601814.html

I think that calling him a liar is terrible when he is a murderer. Any one who send US troops to war with out a declaration of war is a murder, Obama and every member of congress that votes any money for the war.

Ben, Gary:

Been sitting here trying to figure out how to respond. I got nuthin'....

You either think this kind of thing is deplorable or you don't. I do. You don't. Guess there's no more to it than that.

Scott

I don't think that it's deplorable, as I don't think that anything that Harry Reid or any other Democrat who called President Bush names or degraded his integrity during his term did (and there was plenty).

My point is that the shoe is on the other foot now.

Why weren't you outraged at the lack of respect at Presedent Bush?

I think that the answer is in your own political leant.

You don't know my political bent, Ben. You might think you do but you don't.

Do you know I voted for President Bush in 2000?

Do you think there is a chance that you are interpreting my actions based on how you would act?

Scott

If the illegals are not covered by this bill right now they will be when the bill is passed giving them all citizenship.Or does anyone really think that isn't on the agenda? They will all join our Social Security rolls too when that happens. This public healthcare bill is just step one on our real slippery slope!

Scott,I don't know how you voted. But I can tell where you lean, and it ain't to the right. So where does that leave you? You may want to appear center, but you don't. You appear left of center.

Fence sitters never accomplish anything. They just sit on the fence. Make a decision for Gods sake.

Things will only get done when you guys get off the fence.

We've plowed this ground already, Ben. More than once, I think.

See ya,
Scott

I'm not sure where the outrage is on this.
Is everyone outraged that Wilson said "a lie" during a Presidential speech or that he called the President a Liar.
He actually did not call him a liar. He simply said "A lie". At least that was what I heard.
What I find embarrassing is that we have to resort to this type of thing. That our political leaders have lost so much credibility and trust that we have people calling our President a liar.
But, if it walks like a duck...well you know the rest.

Where is it written that we cannot challenge our President. Where in our constitution does it say we must blindly acquiesce to the President.
I'm sorry but I believe we have the right, the duty, to challenge our leaders when we believe they are wrong or what they are doing is hurting our country.
Is the sentiment that we shouldn't challenge the President? Why? Because he is the President? Why does that matter? If it is a matter of respect then I guess you could say "Liar, Sir" would that be better?
I respect the office of the President. The Man has to earn that respect and just getting elected doesn't mean earned.

I have read enough of the bill the congress has put forth to know I want no part of it. Maybe Obama is talking about another bill because it sure seems he hasn't read any of HR3200 based on the rhetoric he spouted the other night.
If he wants to ensure illegal immigrants won't get treated on my tax dollars all he has to do is have a provision that you must have an ID card to get health care. But he won't do that either. He is soft on immigration reform. Always has been and always will be. It is a fact that illegal immigrants cost the American tax payer billions of dollars every year and he won't address it.

As far as Wilson speaking out during the Presidents speech I see no difference in that than the heckling Bush got during his speech. Only the words were different and I'm not even convinced they were. There was a lot of mumbling.

Beyond that. I do believe he was saying what the majority of citizens in this country believe. I believe Obama is misleading us.

Where was the outrage when The Democrats called Bush and Cheney liars about the WMD's? They are still doing it.

Obama can't give a speech without blaming something on Bush. I can't remember any President doing this to this extent. That is embarrassing.

I like Dennis Miller's approach to health care reform.
1...Tort reform
2...buy insurance across state lines.
3...People who can chip in to help those who can't
4...Nothing for illegals.
5...Cheaters go to Prison.

Pretty simple and would be effective.


Even if I did not read one sentence in the bill the title of the bill would be enough to turn me off.
Notice the last three words. "for other purposes".

You're right Scott. Let's stop the debate here. Ben

Thanks Kevin
I did some digging.
As far as I can tell There is nothing in this bill that prevents an illegal alien from walking into any emergency room in this country and getting health care the same as you or I. Mothers can still come here illegally and walk into any emergency room and have their baby who becomes a citizen the moment it is born. Then we take care of Momma and baby.
So NOTHING has changed. Illegals will still get the same care they have been getting all along.

So in reality Obama didn't Lie. The bill does not say Illegal immigrants will get health care insurance under this bill. They will still get health care it just won't be covered in this bill.
I always said he was slick.

If there is somewhere in the bill that addresses this I could not find it. Maybe someone else can.

All the "Affordable Credit Eligible Individual" describes is who will be able to get the insurance. Illegals will still get treated same as they do now.

How do we fix this?
All they have to do is make it a requirement you have a health insurance card to be treated in an emergency room. Even a homeless American citizen won't have a problem getting one.
No card, no care. Unless you can pay for it.
it can be done. People need ID to buy cigarettes, Beer, drive a car, hunt, fish. This is no different. Except for the voting block that doesn't want it.

They are already covered in the bill thanks to the simple loop hole I talked about earlier. The republicans tried to have it put in the bill that people should have to have proof that they are legal to obtain the health care, but the liberals shot it down. Who's side are they on, well, you all know what I think by now. And at this point getting rid of President Obama wouldn't help a thing, everyone in the senate should be gotten rid of, and replaced with newer fresher blood. We've had the same hum drum people in office for way to long. I's time to take a fresh approach to things.

And P.S. everything Obama said in his speech can be spun around and twisted into being true, so by default no he didn't lie.

But should I start naming the countless other number of times he has lied to our faces while his cult gatherers cheered him on?

My understanding is that he said "You lie". If so, that is equivalent to calling him a liar.



Agreed



It isn't



Me too.



Then I don't understand how you can support Wilson's actions. Even if you don't respect the man, respect of the office should dictate that you don't shout "you lie" during a presidential address.

It is possible to challenge someone in a respectful way. In fact, if you are the minority party and wish to have any say in things, I think it is the only way.



I didn't hear any booing and I certainly didn't hear shouts of "liar". I heard people saying "no".

I think words are important. There is a big difference between accusing someone of being wrong (not knowing the facts) and being a liar (knowing the facts but deliberately misleading).

Having said that, I don't support heckling the President. Any President.



I think I'll stop here. That's another topic.

Scott