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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
You see how Tony breaks down when nobody is here.

Best way to deal with him is stop responding to him.

As is, you're giving him the reason he comes here for

That reasoning is sound on its face, but it does not apply here. It is futile to think that it does.

Step back from this circumstance.
There is a calm every once in a while because posting stops for one reason or another. As soon as any activity begins again, whether something good like a song posting or random trolling.. The attacks and non-topics fire back up and any Harmony necessary for any constructive endeavor, be it songwriting or whatever else… is destroyed. Every single time for years.

And that is the pattern of this place, whether I'm here or not.

Lately, Tony was left idle for a few days and started developing troll's withdrawal symptoms and needing a trolling fix, so he started calling you and John and Rob out by name with insults couched as songs to stir something up to munch on. The hilarious irony is that Tony calls everyone else a troll.

In that lull, Tony was even digging into the archives and bragging about how he used to call Mark Barnett demeaning names. I think as a result, Barnett is gone from here. Barnett actually had real world music business experience. Tony doesn't have anything more than sitting around in his underwear writing strange songs that no one would be interested in, set to old Black Sabbath riffs.
Barnett was worth 20 Tony's to a website dedicated to songwriting, but he is gone from this one… and Tony is all that the site gets as a replacement..

Kay-Lynn looked like she might be a nucleus for a new center of gravity to build on, but Tony saw that starting to work and destroyed any motivation that she had for wanting to be here, using vile insults as the weapon against her.

Today, Tony says he is visiting mom. Isn’t that adorable?
And she must be so proud.
I wonder if Tony shares his posts about Kay-Lynn choking on Brian’s member, with mom.
If he does, I wonder if she says “that’s my good boy?”.

HAVING SAID ALL OF THAT ABOUT TONY….
I feel it necessary to retract a previous statement that I made about Tony.
I said that he viewed his buffoonery as muse (art) stimulation.
I said that it stimulated nothing. Was just a fool staring admiringly into a mirror.
"On reflection," I have decided that is not true.

He does stimulate art.
He caused me to write “sermon of a fool.”
That was so impactual, that some follower felt compelled to report its content to SUNO where I had generated the audio art. Once done he reported back to Tony, in a show of solidarity, that this great deed had been done on Tony’s behalf..

Step back from that…
Can you imagine living in a world so foggy that you're incensed by the broadcast of words spoken by a degenerate, yet, your reaction is to report back to the degenerate that you have registered a grievance with the audio platform for repeating those words. All in an apparent attempt to do damage to the person who brought attention to the degenerate words and gain favor with the degenerate who originated them. It strikes me as tragic and a lifelong prison sentence it must be to live in such a fog?

But “art” has once again been advanced. and I have done a visual art piece that I believe exceeds the impact and artistic prowess of “sermon of a fool.”
It is entirely based on the words of Tony aka JAPOV in this single thread.
So he is, in fact, the “inspiration” for the piece.

I will be posting it later this evening or tomorrow in the appropriate section for visual arts. I will put a link to it here when it is ready. For any interested parties…stay tuned.

PS..all issues of convoluted thinking expressed will have to wait a week for correction. In the interim those people should contemplate whether the Donald Trump dictatorship can be constitutionally justified by a conservative court and whether or not, they themselves are male, female or furry, this day, week, month.


Big picture,

For all your long-winded effort and deliberation in my name... It is tragically laughable that you will still only ever be known here as a lying, atheist, Kay-Mart Mankunt... and the least productive member of an amateur songwriting site... who constantly got spanked by an old Abalama hack with a cheap China Strat.


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Originally Posted by JAPOV
Big picture,

For all your long-winded effort and deliberation in my name... It is tragically laughable that you will still only ever be known here as a lying, atheist, Kay-Mart Mankunt... and the least productive member of an amateur songwriting site... who constantly got spanked by an old Abalama hack with a cheap China Strat.
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am not an atheist.
Claiming that there is no God is just about as spiritual a statement as claiming that you know exactly what God is and wants. I realize that you don't split hairs and people are either eternally damned or they are not.

Then again Thomas Jefferson questioned the divinity of Christ openly, and adamantly believed that theocrats should not have access to civil power. Salem and you are enough justification of that for me.

Some people bear no animus to "faith," but can't honestly brush their doubts aside.

But that is a different array of concerns than songwriting.

Regarding this site, I'm not posting songs at all.
Why would anyone pour their earnestly spent time and effort into a song, to post it for comments on a site where nothing that looks or sounds like anything on the radio is being posted?

"For Dom" "For Rob and Kay"
What is the point in putting forth earnest effort into such nonsense on a site where the de facto, lowest common denominator has boiled down to a troll called JAPOV?

And that brings up another concern. My visual art derived from your words can wait at least a week. My involvement here has taken up more than a week's allotment.

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Originally Posted by JAPOV
Big picture,

For all your long-winded effort and deliberation in my name... It is tragically laughable that you will still only ever be known here as a lying, atheist, Kay-Mart Mankunt... and the least productive member of an amateur songwriting site... who constantly got spanked by an old Abalama hack with a cheap China Strat.
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am not an atheist.
Claiming that there is no God is just about as spiritual a statement as claiming that you know exactly what God is and wants. I realize that you don't split hairs and people are either eternally damned or they are not.

Then again Thomas Jefferson questioned the divinity of Christ openly, and adamantly believed that theocrats should not have access to civil power. Salem and you are enough justification of that for me.

Some people bear no animus to "faith," but can't honestly brush their doubts aside.

But that is a different array of concerns than songwriting.

Regarding this site, I'm not posting songs at all.
Why would anyone pour their earnestly spent time and effort into a song, to post it for comments on a site where nothing that looks or sounds like anything on the radio is being posted?

"For Dom" "For Rob and Kay"
What is the point in putting forth earnest effort into such nonsense on a site where the de facto, lowest common denominator has boiled down to a troll called JAPOV?

And that brings up another concern. My visual art derived from your words can wait at least a week. My involvement here has taken up more than a week's allotment.

xoxo


Yeah', yeah', blah, blah... Whatever.
Talk about emotionally invested lol...

I sincerely hope my inspiration for your latest work of art fills whatever that empty space is between your ears, Mr Lied.

Could it be lack of validation?

How did I ever wind up being your measure for legitimacy?

In any case, you really should take that up with God... Not me. I don't care.
I have more than proven myself to my creative betters; As evidenced by this perpetual condemnation. (speaking of "Salem", lol)

My faith is not predicated upon your spiritless sophistry, MartyDom...

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Originally Posted by JAPOV
I have more than proven myself to my creative betters;

Had to ask...

That's very lofty text there.
But does it actually mean anything?

Elaborate on exactly what that means to you.
What have you proven and where is the evidence that supports the claim?
Who or what are "creative betters."


Too interesting to pass on.

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Regarding this site, I'm not posting songs at all.

Marty,
if you're not posting songs here and not giving any feedback on people's songs, why are you here? You didn't say anything about our song in this thread...

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Originally Posted by Rob B.
Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Regarding this site, I'm not posting songs at all.

Marty,
if you're not posting songs here and not giving any feedback on people's songs, why are you here? You didn't say anything about our song in this thread...

If that interests you, read back through the threads. I've stated it more than once.

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
If that interests you, read back through the threads. I've stated it more than once.

No thank you. I don't read all the junk that you guys post here. I guess I didn't see it. It's not important.
Anyway, continue to have fun doing what you're doing. It's just sad that you guys hijack a songwriting forum to waste your time.

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What we really have here is a collossal lack of grace being extended to eachother by an artistic group of people and we are less for it.

We are all not all bad, we're just all bad together
Nasty snakes, slithering here with vigour
No debate, on our own we're better
We're not all bad, we're just all bad together

Shameless Dweebfart had a moment when he found a point of view
Contradicted where he stood so firmly planted in the mud
There was sniping from the sidelines, incoming from above
There was German interference then there was the Great White North

We are all not all bad, we're just all bad together
Nasty snakes, slithering here with vigour
No debate, on our own we're better
We're not all bad, we're just all bad together


Now what would really be cool is if everyone contributes to build this into a good lyric which Rob can put through SUNO and I can use to create a video

The feel is 12(3stressed)45678 and the tone is tongue in cheek

The opening works because you hang the all over two beats ..lets the song bounce in an easy way with the right bpm


If writing ever becomes work I think I'm going to have to stop

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I think I can add something to that...

Verse:
There’s a prophet in the comments with a holy point to prove
Every chord becomes a sermon, every rhyme a sacred truth
There’s a genius with typos who’s declaring he’s the king
Spelling words like modern art but convinced he’s everything

Pre-Chorus 1:
And the wise guy drops a lecture no one really asked to hear
While correcting all the grammar as he sips his cheap beer

Optional:
Mr. wise guy drops commandments like he’s carved them out of stone
Every thread becomes a pulpit, every thought his own

Chorus:
We are all not all bad, we’re just all bad together
Nasty snakes, slithering here with vigour
No debate, on our own we’re better
We’re not all bad, we’re just all bad together

Verse:
There’s a driver of opinions switching lanes without a sign
There’s a map of contradictions drawn in permanent ink lines
From the forests up in Canada to the castles over Rhine
We’re united by our egos and completely out of time

Pre-Chorus 2:
Every post a new disaster, every thread a little war
But we keep on coming back here just to ask a little more

I'm just brainstorming... Maybe we can use 1 or 2 lines.

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Possible bridge:

Maybe there’s a melody beneath the noise and spite
Buried under bruised egos and who thinks they’re right
If we ever shut up long enough to hear a line
We might almost make some music… once or twice

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Lovely song....

Suggestion ....take a cue from it.

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Hey John,
I think this where we are right now. I don't think Marty wants to contribute anything. Dom never collaborates with anybody here. I'm not sure about Tony...

All Bad Together
https://suno.com/song/b0bc7446-d7da-454f-acf0-f759e4f2e570

[hyper-modern production with clear vocals, no autotune, Dolby Atmos mix, high-fidelity, high-definition audio and wide stereo]

[Intro]

[Verse]
Shameless dweebfart grabbed himself a bold, heroic view
Dropped it when it didn’t fit the latest thing to do
Sniping from the sidelines, egos on the rise
From the cold north to old Europe, same thin disguise

[Verse]
There’s a prophet in the comments with a holy point to prove
Every chord becomes a sermon, every rhyme a truth
There’s a genius full of typos, still declaring he’s the king
Spelling words like modern art, but he’s sure he’s everything

[Pre-chorus]
Mr. wise guy drops commandments like he’s carved them out of stone
Every thread becomes a pulpit, every thought his own

[Chorus]
We are all not all bad
No, we’re just all bad together
Nasty snakes, slithering here with vigor
No debate, on our own we’re better
We are all not all bad
Whoa, we’re just all bad together

[Break]

[Verse]
There’s a driver of opinions switching lanes without a sign
There’s a map of contradictions drawn in ink that won’t unwind
From the forests up in Canada to castles on the Rhine
We’re united by our egos, always running out of time

[Pre-chorus]
Every post a new disaster, every thread a little war
Still we keep on coming back here, always asking just for more

[Chorus]
We are all not all bad
No, we’re just all bad together
Nasty snakes, slithering here with vigor
No debate, on our own we’re better
We are all not all bad
Whoa, we’re just all bad together

[Bridge]
Maybe there’s a melody beneath the noise and spite
Buried under bruised egos and the need to all be right
If we ever shut up long enough to hear a line
We might almost make some music, maybe once or twice

[Interlude]

[Final chorus]
We are all not all bad
No, we’re just all bad together
Nasty snakes, slithering here with vigor
No debate, on our own we’re better
We are all not all bad
Whoa, we’re just all bad together

[Outro]
We are all not all bad
Whoa, we’re just all bad together

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Maybe there's too much baggage for Marty to carry...dunno. I have definitely experienced his rigidity but thought he might be able rise above it

And don't sell Dom short. Dom wants exactly this kind of activity and Tony is central here....was who I had in mind...so I hope he does.
Yes he was been horrible to KayLynn...and I hope it does not happen again, but he does have a good sense of humour buried in him

And JLS is here and others may pass through

in the meantime....really like my v1 ..necessary....so let me start there and cherry pick you to get to V1.3 of this




We are all not all bad, we're just all bad together
Nasty snakes, slithering here with vigour
No debate, on our own we're better
We're not all bad, we're just all bad together

Shameless Dweebfart had a moment when he found a point of view
Contradicted where he stood so firmly planted in the mud
There was sniping from the sidelines, incoming from above
There was German interference then there was the Great White North

We are all not all bad, we're just all bad together
Nasty snakes, slithering here with vigour
No debate, on our own we're better
We're not all bad, we're just all bad togethe

Basement prophet writing sermons warning of the end of days
Cranking up his Telecaster with no rhetoric held at bay
There's an error on the keyboard of the Eastern typo king
Mixes up gestaldt, creative art and a little of everything

Maybe there’s a melody beneath the noise and spite
Underneath our fragile egos and our need to be right
If we listened a little harder we could make our gigs so tight
Might almost make some music, maybe once or twice

We are all not all bad, we're just all bad together
Nasty snakes, slithering here with vigour
No debate, on our own we're better
We're not all bad, we're just all bad togethe









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Nice. I like it. The rhyme scheme of the verses are different. I would make them identical. If you listen to the song you'll notice the line "We are all not all bad" comes out pretty good. That was the reason I repeated that line. Did you listen to the song? Should the music go in a different direction?

I liked this:

[Pre-chorus]
Every post a new disaster, every thread a little war
Still we keep on coming back here, always asking just for more

Shouldn't it read: Mixed up gestalt ?

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"I left my home, only to find a new home, full of heart, soul and dreams. Then, I left that new home, heart intact, but much stronger and energized from the experience" -Brian Austin Whitney
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