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Also possible he's hiding it cause friends of his are on it, or supporters. Ud think he'd want to release it,fhedbe treated like a hero who has always told the truth....what's the downside?
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Tired of this, bullet proof glass outside schools and churches. Metal detectors.
https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/s...apolis-catholic-school-shooter-contained
Notice how this never happens at ball games? It would seemingly be so easy for some nutjob throw a molitav cocktail on a baseball field

Marty,
you already answered that:

"There's the old adage about kings not liking seeing kings being executed."

The way he's handling this issue is really hurting him. Those guys must have some really huge bucks. But, why is Maxwell suddenly so important? Why is she making numerous claims that Trump had nothing to do with the girls? She's convicted. There's no reason to even talk to her. Now they put her in a first-class prison. This stinks! It makes it look like they are trying to hide something.

Rob,

All of those questions have plausible answers?

But, why is Maxwell suddenly so important?
Because she is the only person who knows where most of the bodies are buried.
She is important to Trump as a tool to clear him of involvement.

The only tv that I watch during the day is MSNBC. Some CNN.
I watch it to see what is being left out of right wing outlets.
You need to start watching FOX.

They are all propagandists serving up "red meat" to heavily biased listeners, in order to drive advertising revenue for products that are mostly scams, but the most blatantly biased and theatrical "news" on tv is MSNBC.
I know that writing that will raise your blood pressure, so I'm signing out of this section now.

Marty

Marty,
I'm currently in Germany. Fox News is not allowed to be broadcast here because what they broadcast is classified as propaganda. Germany made big mistakes some 90 years ago. They don't want that to happen again. That's why they ban that kind of stuff. I can't watch MSNBC here either because they don't broadcast here. As an alternative I have German and British channels. When in the US I actually do watch Fox every now and then but often when things are happening live, they broadcast some dumb talk shows instead. What they show is below my standards, sorry. I'm educated and I've traveled the world. Many of the Fox hosts don't know what they are talking about. I'm often astonished that many Americans don't recognize the propaganda they are spreading.

Maxwell is a liar. She can't clear Trump of any involvement. The opposite is happening. Well, that's the way the Europeans see it. To many Europeans, Trump is starting to look more and more like a pedophile, trying to cover up everything. Man, he should just release the files.

Banned?

Jeez. Fox definitely puts out a biased viewpoint.
"Propaganda" is a fair enough word to use at times...but banned?
The art of propaganda is saying 5 facts and failing to mention a 6th that would undermine the first five.
They all do it.

To Texan sensibilities, banning Fox is not getting it right. There is some truth to be found in bits and pieces, everywhere.

And agreed, Maxwell is now trying to re-write her trial testimony.
It's not selling and she can't clear Trump, but that was the shot they took.
Back to an earlier point, Epstein is still a going concern for a lot of people.
Still waiting for some smoke to clear. May never.

Have a good whatever time of day it is over there.

Germany has had some very bad experiences with propaganda. The Nazi regime used propaganda to perfection. In May of this year, I went with friends from Florida to a former concentration camp, now a museum, and they learned how it all evolved back then in Germany and they saw the many parallels to the current situation in the US. It was actually quite frightening. The media played a major role back then. It's still the same today. Because Germans are so sensitive about this topic, channels like Fox News are banned. I agree, there is some truths to be found in bits and pieces everywhere. It's just that Fox presents them in an improper fashion. Let's be honest ... nobody needs propaganda, except those who use it as a tool to gain or maintain power. It's so sad that so many fellow Americans consume this stuff and many even believe it's the truth. That's one reason why our country is divided.

Enjoy your day. Mine is already almost half over.

This is a learning moment for me.
I was aware of Joseph Goebbels, but unaware that FOX was banned in Germany.

QUESTION:
Who or what entity officially deems FOX as improper for public consumption?

I just learned something new. I thought Fox was banned here. The media regulations do not prohibit Fox News. The network is legally accessible since 2020, but I've never seen it and nobody I talked to here either. I read that it can be streamed for a monthly fee or you need a US-based streaming service and a VPN. I can't imagine many people paying money for that channel and I don't know anybody who has US streaming services.

The makes my case.
You watch too much MSNBC.
It took a conservative to help you discover this fact.

Mmmm in Canada, Fox's entertainment channel is on our cable tiers, but not Fox News Channel....it is subscription based.

Just wonder how it is faring now that most of those folks that were commentators there are now serving in Trump's administration....23 of them at last count (Newsweek)

Fox is consistently most viewed amongst the cable news outlets.
Average viewer age is late 60's, which similar to Harley Davidson riders, should be of concern to them.

Gentlemen,

I watch the online user-ship of this site in the box in the upper left on the start page.
The on-line members logging on have been climbing.
Brian said as much.

I believe that I have noticed in the last couple of days that to be receding a bit.
That may be coincidence or it may coincide with increased activity in this thread.

I enjoy talking about politics as long as it's cordial and I don't feel like I'm getting beat about the head with demagoguery...but it's poison to discourse.

There's only two people talking to each other on the song forum. Telling each other they are good. Naturally there would be a receding, if it ever was anything at all.

It's not worth the effort for most people, because they get nothing back.

And we're not pandering to another whim of yours by suddenly not talking politics.

I'm glad I brought it back

EXHIBIT A

You and Rob b are in love, you do the same thing here like you two are the only people here.

I think if you go away it be a much better site.

Can't mean much to you for somebody to say ...

Sat WHUT is good can it?

Love this part Dom. Observational, the fatal destiny of faint praise.

John,

That looks so venerable that I pasted it into Gemini to see where it came from.
It apparently is original. Hats off.

Would be a great title to a book or a movie or a Netflix series.

Marty

The Fatal Destiny of Faint Praise

Verse 1
I walked the line between truth and disguise,
Where compliments cut with their careful lies.
A gentle smile, a hollow sound,
A whispered echo that pulls me down.

Pre-Chorus
Every word that never burns,
Every crown I never earn,
It’s a chain dressed up in lace,
The fatal destiny of faint praise.

Chorus
Say my name or let it fall,
Don’t leave me stranded in the hall.
Your silver tongue’s a poisoned blade,
I’m bleeding slow in the masquerade.
No glory here, just empty grace—
The fatal destiny of faint praise.

Verse 2
They raise their glass but their eyes don’t meet,
Their clapping hands are a ghost’s heartbeat.
A gilded cage where silence sings,
And I’m the puppet on brittle strings.

Pre-Chorus
Every nod that hides disdain,
Every smile that masks the pain,
Builds a throne of paper flames—
The fatal destiny of faint praise.

Chorus
Say my name or let it fall,
Don’t leave me stranded in the hall.
Your silver tongue’s a poisoned blade,
I’m bleeding slow in the masquerade.
No glory here, just empty grace—
The fatal destiny of faint praise.

Bridge
Better the storm than the quiet deceit,
Better the wound than a counterfeit peace.
Spare me the kindness that cuts me in half,
I’ll take the truth, the tear, the laugh.

Final Chorus
Say my name or let it fall,
Don’t leave me stranded in the hall.
Your silver tongue’s a poisoned blade,
I’m bleeding slow in the masquerade.
No glory here, just empty grace—
The fatal destiny of faint praise.

Love the bridge.
Marty


Better the storm than the quiet deceit,
Better the wound than a counterfeit peace.
Spare me the kindness that cuts me in half,
I’ll take the truth, the tear, the laugh.

LOL I knew when I wrote it that I crafted a special line

Definitely worked on it...hit on "destiny" as the key word to drive faint praise....a journey to an end..fatal came last.....
as I said....was really inspired by Dom's articulation of that "scene".

Now look it has inspired an instant lyric with yeah a pretty good bridge
Might take a crack at a version myself Rob and steal some of your rhymes

John, feel free to do whatever you want with the lyric.

Fdem,
I can assure you, Marty and I are not in love. Honestly, I think we couldn't be further apart. But unlike you, we do find a way to communicate. Most of the time, lol.
I don't understand what's your problem. Your comment is completely unnecessary and superfluous. As you can see, we aren't the only people here. Your songs aren't getting much attention at the moment. Hmm, what could the reason be?

Could that be by design?

Look, it's one thing no responding to my music, which kicks the be Jesus out of your stuff, but the one constant t is I have to see you bumping up karys non sense music.

I already know mines better than yours. Cause I have worked on my craft. I can't seem to find anybody any more who's opinion I respect.

But your making the site a Marty rob show

Is just appreciate not being bump over in case somebody who knows something night have some words I can use.

QUESTION: (sincere question)
If you are going to make these sorts of statements (red), why do you then expect people to want to comment on and engage you and your songs?

LOL Dom likes to put his feelings into what he posts.

Marty I notice your avatar is now a blank slate ....making a blank statement?

Let's break this down...

Who are PEOPLE? You and Rob B. Not interested, particularly you.

But therein lies the problem, its not your site, make it out to be by ignoring everybody else. Suddenly your big ugly nose is in the ai section, (a place you originally created selfishly so that your songs would get more attention)waiting for Rob b, or Travis to post something, say it's great, and like a comedian looking for a punch line you wait for ....
This is so good Marty.

If that makes you feel good, nothing wrong with it worse, and cliques exist on most forums.

But let me ask you honest, more accurate questions.

if you truly want a good site, why do you ignore majority of music here?

It's not like your not here vegetating anyway.

if you and Rob b were good, it be different but it's obvious you are not

As far as me, I dont really care about YOUR thoughts on my song.

Mainly cause I see how invaluable and pointless your comments and opinions are

There's songs on here that are better than both of yours, you either don't know anything, or it's strategy.

But if it's gonna be like this, might as well open the rant section.

As you can see John has commented here,cause the notthing that interests him.

So what's the difference? At least more people are involved

Dom

I and everyone else here are free to comment, or not, as we choose.
If you and anyone else doesn't comment on my songs, that is not an issue for me.
I appreciate any comments that I get, as long as they arent negative and beligerent.
I appreciate people's right not to comment if they choose not to, for whatever their reasons are. It appears that 100s and 1000s of people drop by this site and merely lurk. I have no problem with that.
My primary interest other than the songs themselves are the view counts.

One thing I know for certain is that demeaning people's talent and character is not going to make them more likely to engage me.
As for Rob, I genuinely like his songs. Complimenting them is sincere.

Not my intention. I've asked Brian to insert a picture because I was unable to.
He doesn't do it. I gave up trying to make it happen.

First of all , nobody likes every song ever written, even superstars with millions f followers have people who say. That sucks ....

So why on earth would you believe that all of your songs are good, orall of Rob bs.

It's simple, cause you are lying to each other.

Granted, sometimes comments are pointless or meaningless.

I just don't know what you are thinking when you post a song. Here's my song, the only option is to say it's good.

I can tell you why your songs suck, but you don't want to learn from it.

So I simply say they suck.

In your mind a forum exists for everybody to say.gee wonderful.

Pleasant melody. I enjoyed my listen.

Like a fly in a jar, bouncing off a glass you can't get out thinking you can do same thing over and over again.

Do you think you write better sings now than when you were 30?

If the answer is no, then you wasted alot of time

Dom,
My personal view is that there is nothing significant to be learned from you.
You, like most people here, are hobbyists who are not in the music business.
You never charted a song.
You never wrote a song for a real act.
All you can tell anyone is how you write your songs, and what your sensibilities are.

Your primary contribution to the site is repetitive never-ending arguments, demeaning remarks and name calling.
And then you even want to argue about why people dont comment on your songs.


Simply saying..."nice song, enjoyed it." is much more likely to get you the comments that you seek.
And does not run the risk of being repellent to a casual visitor.

With that, I've said all there is.

Fdem,
I think I need to clarify something. I come to JPFs mainly to learn. I want to constantly improve my songwriting skills. For me it's really important to learn how my songs are received by other songwriters. Every now and then, there are good hints, suggestions, or ideas from others – things I hadn't thought of before myself. I also come here to help others. I let others know when I like their music. Sometimes I share my ideas or make suggestions. Unlike you, I have collaborated with various people here, including Marty. I find it rewarding to bring people with different talents together and write songs, be creative. If I don't like a song that someone posts, I usually don't say anything. Just because I don't like a song doesn't mean it's bad. If you say my song sucks, well … that’s your opinion. If a lot of people say my song sucks, well … that gets my attention. In the AI section, I would like to see more often which prompts other people used, and where they were used. You've clearly stated that you're not willing to share such information with others. I assume that you don't work much with prompts, and prefer that your songs be generated randomly. That's fine, but then you can admit it openly. I haven't commented your songs for some time. My experience with you was that you don't value honest feedback. You yourself say that you are by far the best songwriter here. If that's the case, then I can't help you because you already know it all. I think Marty is a good songwriter because, unlike you, he is capable of writing completely different songs. He isn't tied to one genre. I find that interesting, and therefore, I post a comment every now and then when I like what he posts or suggest which prompts I think might improve his results. But I also comment on other people's songs here as well, if I like what I hear. So, what were the issues that you have with me?

Dom,
My personal view is that there is nothing significant to be learned from you.

But it's not a personal view, you absolutely can learn a great deal. Your talent limits you but your 74 years old writing say WHUT,believing that because you are you, it's by default good, when you have no authentic rap bone in your body.

And it's not me you learn from, songwriting is very much academic as it is soulful. It's not my knowledge to tell, it's a collective material from great writer A to great writer B.


So in a nutshell, it's a you against me thing? You think you are smarter than everybody here.
Your personal view make no difference.

A fact is true, whether you believe it or not.

So let me see, a baseball player, who never made it to the pros, but worked hard every day, couldn't teach you about the mechanics of hitting?

He's not good enough or fortunate enough to get a shot at pros, but I'll guarantee you he knows how to read a pitch, knows how to think fast ball but adjust to the curve.

Guaranteed he has developed the feel for running the bases, knowing he best time to attempt a steal, knowing when to stay.

Guaranteed he could take you into the outfield, show you how to read the ball off the bat, how to best position yourself to have the easiest path to tracking that fly ball .

Teach you how to find the ball when it's lost in the sun.

Yet he went to single A ball, batted below . 200 with teo home runs in 500 at bats, and made 8 errors, and never got a look at the pros..

Even though he devoted all his time to the above, he works at Lowe's stocking paint

That's the dumbest request asking somebody to be a professional songwriter before saying they know anything.

It's been known forever that greats often play bars when schlepps make millions.

Plain stupid.

We used to have alot of people who knew alot of craft, we just don't anymore

https://www.jpfolks.com/forum/ubbth...ft-of-lyric-writing-by-sheila-davis.html

Was going to mention this, I don't believe the author had ever had a hit, but the knowledge bin the book is undeniable. She taught songwriting at UCLA, how? She hasn't had a hit

Good reference

I found the topic of this thread very interesting until Fdem hijacked it and changed the subject.

Did you? Why did you not post in it for months? Cause Marty instructed you not to?

Why don't you start a form for just you and marty

Paraphrasing George Strait,

"I always have my favorites and the ones that I think should be hits when we release an album. But I can never predict which are going to be the favorites of my audiences."

That is spoken by someone who has miles of real world trial-and-error experience. Someone who has seen "great songs" flop and dark horses go to #1.
If Strait, called me up and said write a song for my next album.
I would try hard to write the best one that I could.

If he came back and said, it doesn't work for my brand for several reasons, I would take notes on what the reasons were and hang on every word.
If some amateur with no professional experience from NJ tells me why my songs "suck," ....I wonder to myself...how would he know?
From what experience and knowledge base would he be sourcing all of his tips and advice for hit songs.

None.

Nobody can predict what song will be a hit.

That doesn't mean that there's no skill or knowledge involved in songwriting.

Your talking that art is about money, nobody here and for that matter anywhere else is making money with music, only the elite lucky few, where it doesn't matter anyway if a song is good.

Put it this way, what purpose are you serving posting a song here?

I was on vacation. I had better things to do.
I don't get it. First you complain that I post too much and then you say I was gone for months. Can you decide what your issue is. This is total nonsense. But it's what we're used to from you.

Not true. I once did. One of my songs got radio airplay worldwide. What purpose am I serving posting songs here? I just wrote that. Read what I wrote and you'll know.

I started the thread again is was buried

No I am not.
My point is that one year working intensely on a songwriting team in participation with actual music professionals is worth a thousand of years of writing alone as an amateur being advised by other amateurs.

Almost every housewife that has ever remodeled a kitchen thinks that she is just as good as any architect at design. And all the "little people" stuff like building codes and permit dox is for the little people to do. Duning-Kreuger applies there and to songwriting and a lot of other things.

Why posting here?...it's a passionate hobby that delivers hours of in-the-moment enjoyment.

Thank you for illustrating perfectly that commercial success...if I'd call it that, has anything to do with good songwriting.

Not when you post and say I got this great lyric from so and so...and it couldn't be worse

It's about being contrary. You say this, I say that. You say that, I say this.
The payoff is the argument, that goes round and round.

Past time to quit for me.

I agree quit writing, you're not good

I didn't want to mention it but you were spreading false information here. To be honest with you Fdem, I don't care what you call it. Yeah, we all know by now that you are the best songwriter ever. You just haven't been discovered yet. That's really sad. Have you ever found out why? Have any of your songs ever been played on the radio or live on a stage?

What false information? How much did you make?

I don't write for radio,vi don't write for other artists, I don't pitch, I write for sake of writing a good song. And anything worth while is worth doing well

For some it's enough to write anything at all, there's a few here in that level.

I do not think I'm a great writer, if I did I wouldn't put be here.

I think I'm good I think I've written some good songs and some bad ones.

You will only see me with braggadocio when challenged by morons like you.

Fdem,
are you mentally ok? What false information? You wrote, quote: "nobody here and for that matter anywhere else is making money with music". You forget pretty quickly, don't you. That statement is false. You're wasting my time.

Let me rephrase...nobody here is making any REAL money with songwriting.

You are the one with a mental screw loose thinking you can challenge that statement.

I asked you how much you made, was it more than I could make shoveling snow?

But I'll make akot more than you week 1 in the NFL.

And write for myself to record and to write a good song