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Now you're lisping Tony. Making fun of the forming words correctly disabled? Sure now that there are no DEI programs for the lisping expressives ,,,it's suddenly open season!
If writing ever becomes work I think I'm going to have to stop
Marty I see you've been busy today with some folks here. Seems that Texan skin is being irked and darned if I did not see the clearest picture yet of your position on the 2020 election. There is hope for you yet.
Totally get your USA Texas centric view of how the world should be and that when they write the history of Motherhood, Apple Pie, and Bacon for Tony that the USA should direct how that story ends.
Me too. Beavers, Maple Syrop, Mounties, Winter...all gotta be in the story
If writing ever becomes work I think I'm going to have to stop
Marty, I trust you are happy with the consequences of your looksee.at errr fair trade.
But if you believe that Liberation Day means fair trade, you are simply delusional in your thinking
It was the opening salvo of a trade war based on lies and lauched with full disrespect against the world. It was using a big blunt instrument to whack everything...indiscriminately
That formula is a joke ...an unfunny one....and simply is a stick created to beat the dog they chose to beat. Has no economic basis except to say...yup, there is a trade imbalance. No attempt to disect it or look beyond raw numbers.
What do you see happening as people, already stretched financially, must dig deeper into empty pockets? I know you were smart enough and had the means to deal with things, so like Howard Ludnick's grandma, if you miss a social security cheque, no problem. But think of other Americans...
If writing ever becomes work I think I'm going to have to stop
Marty, I trust you are happy with the consequences of your looksee.at errr fair trade.
But if you believe that Liberation Day means fair trade, you are simply delusional in your thinking
It was the opening salvo of a trade war based on lies and lauched with full disrespect against the world. It was using a big blunt instrument to whack everything...indiscriminately
That formula is a joke ...an unfunny one....and simply is a stick created to beat the dog they chose to beat. Has no economic basis except to say...yup, there is a trade imbalance. No attempt to disect it or look beyond raw numbers.
What do you see happening as people, already stretched financially, must dig deeper into empty pockets? I know you were smart enough and had the means to deal with things, so like Howard Ludnick's grandma, if you miss a social security cheque, no problem. But think of other Americans...
John,
It seems that your ( ) has bubbled up this morning. Try to relax. Diversity, Equity, Inclusion was a policy that had many blatantly discriminatory practices in it. But politics 101 is "give the dog a good name." "Liberation Day" to me is just political noise and gaming.
The formula is not a concern of mine. The negotiations will now "disect" the numbers. You and I may or may not see any truthful accounts of what went on.
Originally Posted by John Voorpostel
What do you see happening as people, already stretched financially, must dig deeper into empty pockets? I know you were smart enough and had the means to deal with things, so like Howard Ludnick's grandma, if you miss a social security cheque, no problem. But think of other Americans...
A very legitimate concern. Not just for someone with empathy, but one for Donald Trump and his outlook.
I am an architect and have spent most of my life as a small time designer/builder. I was installing millwork in EF HUTTON'S downtown Dallas office on Black Monday when the stock market fell 22.6% in one day. I had a good relationship with HUTTON's facilities people. Looked forward to years to come. HUTTON went insolvent on BLACK MONDAY and got eaten up by SHEARSON. SHEARSON"S facility people told me that I was not big enough to deal with. All gone in a day.
When economies contract, architecture and construction take immediate hits. Contracts are cancelled and layoffs occur. My life has been impacted greatly several times. For Docs and medical personel such events are usually TV stories. Life can be rough depending on how you are positioned.
In this case, the blame is not the inanimate movement of markets, but Donald Trump and his show stopping tariffs. That makes him an evil manipulator who does horrible things with no basis...to Canadians and Europeans for sure.
But I have watched the US mfg be gutted by cheap labor markets around the world for decades. That has been horrible for the US. Ross Perot was correct. A case can be made if you are an American that the tariff systems are a leftover from WW2 when Europe was bombed out, and have not been fair for a long time. A case can be made that they will never be reasonably scrutinized by any politicians, other than Trump. A case can be made that you will never get anywhere towards a fix, if you stop to chat and ask everyone's opinion along the way, A case can be made that the only way to make a change is to take an axe to it. Trump did.
THERE ARE DANGERS TO THAT. THERE ARE UNCERTAINTIES.
I agree with Musk that a collapse of the US economy is inevitable if things just rock along. And no...conversations and dialogues are never going to accomplish anything. There is decades of proof to support that.
My personal answer to your question, is a question.
How does one deal with the perception and speculations of bad future outcomes?
I DON'T TRUTHFULLY KNOW. I am just glad its not me having to make the decisions.
My personal suggestion... Tell everyone you know to approach this with a truly open mind, in pursuit of fair and realistic outcomes, calm and friendly. Hopefully it will work-out fairly soon.
I was installing millwork in EF HUTTON'S downtown Dallas office on Black Monday when the stock market fell 22.6% in one day.
Boy do I remember that day Oct 19, 1987...I was a stock broker in Toronto...changed my life instantly
Steve
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
I was installing millwork in EF HUTTON'S downtown Dallas office on Black Monday when the stock market fell 22.6% in one day.
Boy do I remember that day Oct 19, 1987...I was a stock broker in Toronto...changed my life instantly
Steve
Tell me about it Steve. I was working with carpenter's installing cabinetry and all of the brokers in the office were looking at monitors like they were watching the JFK assassination. A few days later, my relationships in the facilities dept were losing their jobs.
It was the opening salvo based on lies and lauched with full disrespect against the world.
John, You and Rob and Tony...need an anthem. I recalled a cool old song that works.
Per Gemini In essence, "The Road to Hell" was Chris Rea's way of expressing his anxieties and criticisms about various aspects of modern life, using the literal image of a traffic jam as a powerful metaphor for a society heading in the wrong direction.
I think it is still the biggest single day loss in DJ history....but I’ll take you back 2 months before the crash, in August. I was on a TV show, in Canada, called Venture which was about finance and business in Canada. One of my clients was the host of the show and he wanted to do a show on the stock market. I think it was 15 minutes long. The market had been moving up rapidly over the previous few months so he wanted to get my take on it..Near the end of the interview he asked the question...”So, Steve, where is the market headed now? My response “well, the markets moved up pretty much in a straight line, It could come down in a straight line too. How’s that for a prophecy, Tony??LOL
On Black Monday, the market (forgive my memory, here) started out bad and just deteriorated the entire day. Yes. I too spent the entire day staring at the screen. But I was one of the lucky ones...I had no orders in the system. Those that had orders in could not cancel them and their clients took a beating....this was also a time before circuit breakers to shut the system down so everyone could take a deep breath. They came into play because of Black Monday...Of course the client calls by the thousands came in to the office wanting us to cancel their orders...no can do...it was pretty abusive for many brokers. What most people forget is that the next morning the market tanked again but the saving grace was President Reagan had his people phone the brokerage firms and told them to start buying or the result would be catastrophic..they did and the market turned on a dime...that may have saved the markets from total collapse....
Steve
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Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
Jaguar/Range Rover are the first to exit the US market due to the tariffs. They aren't shipping cars to the US anymore. Just think, if they close their dealerships in the US, everybody who owns a Jaguar/Range Rover will lose a lot of money. Nobody will want to buy such a car, if there is no dealer and no service. The same could happen to Mercedes, VW, etc. I'm glad I sold my VW earlier this year.
Sounds just like what I remember Steve... Back in that day, the brokers would write their orders on a piece of paper, and then their assistant would stick it in a pneumatic tube that would go to the person who got the order placed. I don't know if it was called in or run through a node.
Years later I built out a room for a company called Rotan Mosle that PaineWebber bought. The room was called a node. The orders went to the node and then on to NY or somewhere. I just installed racks and electrical outlets. All the actual equipment that placed the orders was then installed by others.
"Good times, Bad times, you know I've had my share"
Jaguar/Range Rover are the first to exit the US market due to the tariffs. They aren't shipping cars to the US anymore. Just think, if they close their dealerships in the US, everybody who owns a Jaguar/Range Rover will lose a lot of money. Nobody will want to buy such a car, if there is no dealer and no service. The same could happen to Mercedes, VW, etc. I'm glad I sold my VW earlier this year.
As long as you're cherry picking Rob,
another way to look at that, is that people in the United States wont have the ability to pay for two car brands that are badly over priced for what you get and not real reliable. The service will get picked up by independents.
Why will current owners lose money at a greater rate than depreciation?
Why will current owners lose money at a greater rate than depreciation?
What a question. If Mercedes closes their dealerships and service your wife will get less when she wants to sell her used car. I surely wouldn't want to buy such a car. Sure, Independents car still service her car but the spare parts will cost 25% more. I know you calculate tariffs differently so you probably calculate this stuff differently as well. I just hope your wife doesn't need spare parts for her car in the future.
Why will current owners lose money at a greater rate than depreciation?
What a question. If Mercedes closes their dealerships and service your wife will get less when she wants to sell her used car. I surely wouldn't want to buy such a car. Sure, Independents car still service her car but the spare parts will cost 25% more. I know you calculate tariffs differently so you probably calculate this stuff differently as well. I just hope your wife doesn't need spare parts for her car in the future.
Rob, What you Rob want to do may not reflect everyone else. Another possibility is fewer cars in the country, then greater demand for fewer cars. Covid? I don't know what the future holds, but I would not be surprised if parts dont get carved out. I personally suspect that in a month or two, people will work out some arrangements.
The problem that you have is that your European Union is not unified in a lot of ways. Trump may start cutting countries loose from the herd. If he does, you will need to turn off all of your tvs, radios and phones.
Another thing I wonder about... Tata makes these cars. Indian. They make them in UK, India, Brazil... How are the tariffs gonna work on these? Per India? UK? Brazil?
Another thing I wonder about... Tata makes these cars. Indian. They make them in UK, India, Brazil... How are the tariffs gonna work on these? Per India? UK? Brazil?
Marty, keep wondering. If the Tata car is not sold in the US, Tata doesn't care about our tariffs. These tariffs are paid by Americans when they buy cars built outside of the US - when cars or parts are imported into the US. I read somewhere that the Boing planes have parts from over 70 different countries. Calculating the tariffs on planes will be a lot of fun. That's going to create a bunch of new jobs. We can hire all the government people Musk just fired. They will become our tariff police.
Marty, you make it sound like foreign countries will be paying these tariffs. That's not true. When your wife buys another Mercedes it will be Mercedes paying the tariff, not Germany. In the end your wife will pay for it because the Mercedes car will be more expensive. I find it hard to imagine that these 100,000s of foreign companies will all call Trump while he's playing golf and find some kind of "fair" solution within a month or two. The guy has other things to do than negotiate with every company individually. Jaguar/Range Rover is a good example. Trump's tariff numbers are way too high to beginn with. They don't think they'll find a solution so they just decide not to sell to Americans. Al lot of Jaguar employees will lose their jobs. The big question is, which foreign companies will do the same.
I saw a Navarro interview today. Peter says within just a few weeks we will have thousands of new manufacturing jobs in the US. Companies like Nike would need years to build new plants in the US and I ask you where do these 1000s of people come from? We are deporting all of them now. Americans won't work at the same salary level as people in Vietnam. If these tariffs create jobs, they will be mainly for robots. Marty, keep on wondering.
Another thing I wonder about... Tata makes these cars. Indian. They make them in UK, India, Brazil... How are the tariffs gonna work on these? Per India? UK? Brazil?
Marty, keep wondering. If the Tata car is not sold in the US, Tata doesn't care about our tariffs. These tariffs are paid by Americans when they buy cars built outside of the US - when cars or parts are imported into the US. I read somewhere that the Boing planes have parts from over 70 different countries. Calculating the tariffs on planes will be a lot of fun. That's going to create a bunch of new jobs. We can hire all the government people Musk just fired. They will become our tariff police.
Marty, you make it sound like foreign countries will be paying these tariffs. That's not true. When your wife buys another Mercedes it will be Mercedes paying the tariff, not Germany. In the end your wife will pay for it because the Mercedes car will be more expensive. I find it hard to imagine that these 100,000s of foreign companies will all call Trump while he's playing golf and find some kind of "fair" solution within a month or two. The guy has other things to do than negotiate with every company individually. Jaguar/Range Rover is a good example. Trump's tariff numbers are way too high to beginn with. They don't think they'll find a solution so they just decide not to sell to Americans. Al lot of Jaguar employees will lose their jobs. The big question is, which foreign companies will do the same.
I saw a Navarro interview today. Peter says within just a few weeks we will have thousands of new manufacturing jobs in the US. Companies like Nike would need years to build new plants in the US and I ask you where do these 1000s of people come from? We are deporting all of them now. Americans won't work at the same salary level as people in Vietnam. If these tariffs create jobs, they will be mainly for robots. Marty, keep on wondering.
Rob
A couple of things... IF IF IF the tariffs are still in place when my wife is ready for a new car, she wont be buying a car with a 25% tariff. She will pick something domestic. Based on Trump backing off Canada and Mexico, my guess is that foreign made parts for domestic cars will get carved out.
I watch Smerconish every Saturday. I was shocked to see Navarro on there. HE DID NOT SAY anything regarding 1000s of new jobs was going to happen in a few weeks. You are straying from the truth Rob.
My guess is that foreign made parts for domestic cars will get carved out.
I watch Smerconish every Saturday. I was shocked to see Navarro on there. HE DID NOT SAY anything regarding 1000s of new jobs was going to happen in a few weeks. You are straying from the truth Rob.
The Daily Show! Rob, are you college age?
I believe what I see and not what you guess. If Trump says he will tax auto parts, believe him because he will. He started something and he can't back down anymore. That would make him look weak. Then you saw Navarro predict the DOW going to 50.000 before Trump's term ends. He did that several of times during the interview. Since when do people have a crystal ball and can tell you where the stock market is heading? Interesting, that he couldn't predict how low the DOW will go before it turns around. Investors will want to know when they can get in again. He's lying and everybody with common sense can recognize that. If he's not lying Marty, you should invest every cent you have in the stock market because according to him, you will earn more than 30% within the next 4 years. I hate this guy just as much as I do Trump.
I'm young at heart and I love humor. The guy explains Trump's tariffs quite well and he makes Trump's team look like clowns just by repeating what they are saying and commenting to make you think what was actually said. I actually got a laugh out of this.
Your interpretation of Navarro is through a Rachel Maddow/ Dailey Show vision hole.
I was shocked to see Navarro on CNN on any of their shows. I have never seen him much at all and I know that the left transfers TDS over to Navarro. I expected him to be a foam at the mouth-er like Alex Jones or Bannon. I expected him to be there for the purpose of making him look crazed. He wasn't. The interview was dignified and Navarro was well presented.
He did say that he expected the DOW turn back up and hit 50K during Trump's term, but your claim that he said
"" Peter says within just a few weeks we will have thousands of new manufacturing jobs in the US.""
That's a lie Rob. I noticed that you did not redress it when I brought it up. Don't lie Rob. Lying is bad.
Trump and auto parts? He said that he was gonna hammer Canada and Mexico with tariffs, and then he did not. I suspect it was because of car parts. Trumps says things.
Marty, a few days ago I wrote that the best solution would be no tariffs at all. You claimed my views are bad for the country. Well, look at what Musk is now suggesting! Exactly what I said. This is completely different than the direction you and Trump are taking. Or am I getting things wrong once again?
Keep in mind that he talks about North America! Not just the USA. No tariffs between the US, Canada, Mexico and Europe. Yes! Marty, It's not just me!
Rob, Before I deal with this, you need to address, and say you're sorry for the lie that you wrote about the Navarro interview. Take accountability for the lie, say your sorry, and then we can move on. It's bad to lie. When I turn on my computer in the morning, we need to see this. I'm only thinking of your welfare.
Marty, I don’t watch Smerconish. I had to look up who he is. I watch a lot of non-American media and I did look at several Navarro interviews this morning. I have to admit that I have my grandkids with me right now and I can’t concentrate completely on what is playing on TV. I did not quote Navarro. I wrote it the way I understood what he said. After your direct attack I double-checked what Navarro actually said. “Manufacturing will ramp up quickly” “We will move industrial production very, very quickly” “Productivity will fly” You know, when I heard that, I should have stepped back and thought a bit. I should have noticed that this guy didn’t really give any timeline at all. He could be talking about years or even decades or even longer time periods. So, now that you pointed this out to me, I noticed, Navarro didn’t really say anything and like most viewers I guess I misinterpreted what he said. I admit he did not say “in weeks”, but honestly, it really sounded like it would happen very, very quickly. So, that’s the way I understood him. If you’re telling me very, very quickly is a four-year timeframe. Ok. But he didn’t say that either. He didn’t say anything and I stumbled over it. Thanks for pointing this out. I’ll be more careful in the future.
In the interview, he said that 50k DOW would happen during Trump's term. He said that factories would come back to the US but put no timetable on it. He admitted that the factories will mostly be automation. But made the point, better here than somewhere else.
Smerconish cast doubt on some of what Navarro said, but the interview was dignified and both presented their arguments well.
For me, I question that truly great things can happen with a national debt weighing down on the economy. Trump is now tossing shade on the fed to lower rates, which would bring debt payments down. Many people think that will raise inflation. I think the FED believes that.
IMO, Trump's obstacle in all this is not EU or Canada. I suspect that they will make some more noise but will come to the table. But China, imo, can shut the US down. IMO, Walmart and Costco are outlet stores in this country for China. And the Chinese Communists dont appear to be terribly concerned about the suffering that their own people might endure as the result of a trade war. If they dig in, and their products disappear from American stores, Trump could be looking at a very angry electorate and have run out of moves.
Rob, I also wrote that no-tariffs would be a good starting point. But the devil would be in the details.
Small countries would have niche industries that needed protection. The US needs to be concerned about a full-on war supply chain. China used to be a giant peasant nation with no military threat. The rise of China and the threat that it poses is a concern in 2025. The US mfg has been gutted and that is a concern.
Honestly, I don't know what I believe regarding exactly where anything should end up or what will happen. My only certainty is that the US tariffs should be looked at. There's a few of us that feel that way.
Rob,thank you for apologizing to Marty for lying....even if done so inadvertently.....he claims lying is bad and could not move on without that apology
Now moving on....Marty your favourite president is a serial liar who based his tariffs on lies, his election loss on lies, his re-election on lies, and is filling key government positions with people who perpetuate and act on his lies without question. I mean the man does not know how to tell the truth
So far you say "no harm no foul because he is doing what I want him to do".....whoops not literally.........but I have to ask now for an apology as well....because lying is lying is it not?
If writing ever becomes work I think I'm going to have to stop
Yes, Trump tells lies and distorts and exaggerates. The 25th amendment should have been invoked on Biden. He didn't even know what day it was, yet he was president because the people around him were more concerned with power than the American people having a cogent president...and lied there ass off to maintain power.
The lies cancel out. "Consequentialism" Outcome.
Just hearing Trump's voice makes you crazy. There is no doubt about that. Biden's voice made me a bit sad. Harris cackle was bizarre. Those are emotions. All that aside, ultimately there will be a result, such as the border, DEI on and on.
I've no apology whatsoever for any of that. I didn't create this world. I found it this way. If you want an apology, take it up with God. That's Tony dept.
Here's what I've found so far....convicted felon, sexual abuser, wife beater, con artist, master of bankruptcies Trump made 30,573 false or misleading statements in his first term (21 per day) but then who's counting lolol
And in the interest of balancing out the equation (similar to the trade deficits) I can't seem to find anything on Biden (or Obama)....maybe you could help
Steve
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
Here's what I've found so far....convicted felon, sexual abuser, wife beater, con artist, master of bankruptcies Trump made 30,573 false or misleading statements in his first term (21 per day) but then who's counting lolol
And in the interest of balancing out the equation (similar to the trade deficits) I can't seem to find anything on Biden (or Obama)....maybe you could help
Steve
You left out two impeachments and Treason against the United States. (Russian collusion), theft of classified dox. Did I cover it Steve.
Do I think that Trump is an angel? No. I do not.
But I think that the 2 impeachments were ridiculous.
I think that the trial in NY would have been brought against NO ONE but Trump and I think that the charges were pieced together for the purpose of destroying him as a viable political force. A prosecutor was ridiculous enough to announce that before being elected.
The Civil Suit that found him RESPONSIBLE for sexual assault and then put a value of several hundred million dollars...THIRTY YEARS AFTER THE FACT was questionable at best. Steve, if someone accused you or anyone else of a crime and then put on a show trial 30 years after the fact, the prosecution would NOT WANT ME in the jury box. I would not vote to convict anyone for anything other than murder, (maybe) 30 years after the fact. And the evidence would have to be air-tight. Not a group of people saying that the plaintiff called in distress.
And then there was the dox. Biden is a doddering old man who stole dox as VP and gave them to a biographer for aggrandizement. Trump is a criminal. The hypocrisy is ridiculous.
Steve, John, Rob...READ THE NEXT SENTENCES CLOSELY
The American people got to see a decade of Trump. He is the most highly scrutinized person in my lifetime. They got to see all the lies that he told and all the lies that were told against him. They decided that the machine trying to kill him was a bigger threat to their welfare than Trump.
And they like the Trump outcomes better than what results would have been under Harris.
I was just helping you balance the lies...now you given me more cow dung to work with....It will take me a bit to respond because this is just too good to pass up. lololol
Steve
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
I was just helping you balance the lies...now you given me more cow dung to work with....It will take me a bit to respond because this is just too good to pass up. lololol
Steve
Steve, I have one simple question for YOU and ROB and JOHN requiring a simple yes or no answer that will help you to understand why Trump is POTUS, in spite of all of the many objections that you have and the anger that you feel.
QUESTION: My body has 30 trillion cells, give or take. In each one of those are 23 pair of chromosomes. In each one of those 30 trillion set of pairs...is one pair...that contains a Y chromosome.
If I woke up one morning and proclaimed that I genuinely and truly believed that I was a woman (female),
I don't care what you believe....but, If I am this person, then yup I'm a woman and I am going to go through the operations and hell so that I can have peace of mind and no other human being can stop me from that peace...the only thing that counts is what I FEEL NOT MY GENETIC MAKE UP..... Another good reason for living in Canada.... we don't put up with that cr** here...... and if that is the answer to understanding Trump you've got bigger problems than I thought...
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Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
I don't care what you believe....but, If I am this person, then yup I'm a woman and I am going to go through the operations and hell so that I can have peace of mind and no other human being can stop me from that peace...the only thing that counts is what I FEEL NOT MY GENETIC MAKE UP..... Another good reason for living in Canada.... we don't put up with that cr** here...... and if that is the answer to understanding Trump you've got bigger problems than I thought...
Try to remain calm Steve.
In the US, the transition issue and the men-in-women's-sports-issue are packaged, and are 80-20 issues...per my understanding. Though the top issues were Border, economy and abortion, the most effective Trump advert in the campaign focused sharply on that issue.
When you and people who share your disdain for Trump calculate your reasons why everyone else should hate him too, you are ignoring how most Americans and people around the planet feel about issues such as these. It is what it is.
Steve, I'm a border issue guy. I'd vote for Trump again for that reason alone. All of your objections are a lesser priority to me.
Trump was elected and won decisively. Not a landslide, but decisive. Fact of life. I've said all that I know about Trump and the tariffs. No one from the govt calls me and asks me what to do about anything. Rather than argue this on and on, it's time to sit back and watch it play out.
If you and Rob and Steve want to have an unending argument about Trump...maybe Dom will pick up from here.
Marty....you challenged Rob for not telling the truth....do not call me out for noticing that you have no issue with Trump lying more than anyone we know as long as he is doing what you want him to do
And we see sexual assignment and identification a little differently...we would argue in a more enlightened way.
So yes, I'm with Steve here.
If writing ever becomes work I think I'm going to have to stop
for noticing that you have no issue with Trump lying more than anyone we know as long as he is doing what you want him to do
John,
That is a lie. I wish that Trump did not ever lie. I wish that Joe Biden's handlers had not lied about his competence. I wish that no one lied. But they do, and I had two choices on the ballot and I had issues that were important to me.
Originally Posted by John Voorpostel
And we see sexual assignment and identification a little differently...we would argue in a more enlightened way.
So yes, I'm with Steve here.
The vast majority of people view that POV as not enlightened.
As for me, I see 30 trillion cells and 4 million or so years of evolution as facts. If someone believes their self to be the other gender, it is a fact that they believe that, but it is arguable that it is a fact that is true.
Everyone deserves dignity, but the BUD LITE commercial proved that there are a lot of people out there who thought that their beliefs and dignity were being disregarded. This Trans stuff, (as well as abortion) is not my issue. But as I said, it is one of many that you and Rob and Steve dont even consider in your hatred for Trump's existence.
Trump has never been the issue with me...and unlike 99% of people globally, who didn't have a clue, who he was, until he came down the escalator, except as a reality TV star, I have followed Trump since 1988 when I was a broker and it was generally believed he was a bit of a buffoon after several bankruptcies (I also never watched any episodes of the Apprentice)....my beef is with you and others who voted for a stunningly immoral man....you had 2 chances to say no, in 2024 and you failed ..that tells me of the immorality of the citizenry... (and please don't give me the Ted Kennedy etal comparison...he should have been on trial as well) And I'm not interested in your rationale on his convictions...juries made their statements based on the laws and on the evidence presented...you may want to spin it anyway you want but no one cares...he was found guilty by his peers...and nothing else matters...you make it so easy
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
He was found guilty by his peers in an area that is 90 percent (or so) populated by the opposition party voters. OJ WAS FOUND INNOCENT by a jury of his peers? WAS HE?
Teddy Kennedy is relevant.. What-about-ism is entirely relevant. Here is the explanation...
If you want to me to care about what TRUMP did wrong 30 years ago, you should have raised this much hell about Kennedy walking intoxicated manslaughter. Or condemning Clarence Thomas over a pubic hair. If you want me to agree with you about the raid on Mara lago, you should have been just as adamant about about a VP stealing classified dox and handing them over to a biographer for the purposes of self aggrandizement...and then having the biographer burn them.
You were not...so I am not.
The border remains my primary concern. The rest of it is noise.
He was found guilty by his peers in an area that is 90 percent (or so) populated by the opposition party voters. OJ WAS FOUND INNOCENT by a jury of his peers? WAS HE?
Don't care where it was....he was found guilty...like I said not interested in your rationale and yes OJ was innocent because the jury said he was...I'm a big believer in the jury system even when it seems, to some, they got it wrong
If you want to me to care about what TRUMP did wrong 30 years.....pay attention Marty....I didn't say anything about you caring about what he did 30 years ago...I'm talking about voting for an immoral man...I have no problem with him being your president...it's the voters who are the issue for me...their immorality is massive The rest of what you said has nothing to do with anything I said so .... no need to reply
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
I gotta go for today. The back and forth has been informative and interesting.
I leave you with one assuring thing.
Canada appears to be a giant version of Minnesota, full of Tim Walz's. You do not have to worry about Trump annexing you as the 51st state.
Down here, we will fight Trump, tooth-and-nail, if he tries.
Have a good Sunday afternoon,
Marty
Hey, John, we can stop looking for someone to step forward and save us...Marty's our guy!!!
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
I always thought that if someone was NOT GUILTY of a crime, that they were INNOCENT of the crime.
So NOT GUILTY means NOT-GUILTY-BUT-NOT-INNOCENT.
That's good to know.
Yes it's absolutely true.
Not guilty means they couldn't prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" in which case you vote not guilty.
Mostly cause no other suspect was found or tried.
So you have one guy...probably guilty, was the term they flipped around... But court of law there's no probably guilty, you have to be proven without reasonable doubt.
Ie, he could have an alibi saying he didn't do it, but he still actually did it ..found out later...
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