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I stopped at 42 Million....

Hal is always pleased to let people know that he has no regrets choosing to devote his life to religion as a writer and an evangelist. Some of his popular books include The Late Great Planet Earth (1970), The Road to Holocaust (1989), There is a New World Coming (1973, 1984), Apocalypse Code (1997), The Final Battle (1995), Satan is Alive and Here on Planet Earth (1972), Blood Moon (a novel of 1996), and Combat Faith (1999).

People call him the Jeremiah of his generation because of his inspirational biblical prophecies. Hal is one of the richest evangelists of this generation with a net worth of over 42 million US dollars

Ok guys, forget Hal Lindsey... In fact, for now..., forget the Bible as well. However, I will still ask you to please do me a personal favor. When you see Israel sign a seven year peace agreement, and especially when you see a sudden global disappearance of Christians, just remember where the information came from, OK? Because, unless you allow yourself to be branded like a dumb cow just to be a member of the coming "New World Order", there will still be a chance that you can make it. Oh, and rest assured, there won't be any room left for doubt when it happens

Tony...
You evaded a legit question and never offered any proof of the dramatic and unequivocal assertion that Lindsay made. But instead, came back at me with what amounts to a condemnation and strong suggestion did I should be very fearful unless I do what you say. Why do you think that someone would fall in line with that?

That's not evasion Marty, I give up. I don't expect you or Dom to do anything. This is obviously going nowhere so, to each's own. If you truly feel "condemned" lol, say a prayer... that wasn't me

Japov I dont even know what the conversation is, but I do know that when a guy writes a doomsday book, there shouldnt be 4 books after that one.. lol.... None of us should be around to see the second book

And a major red flag for me is when a guy makes 42 million off of followers. There is not even proof that he believes the stories himself, but he knows there is a market for it, people eat doomsday stuff up for lunch.

And I dont mind you doing your thing.I always felt when somebody is approaching me to talk about God, they in some way sincerely mean it, and do care about me, even if I dont think their ideas are right.

I had a kid come up to me im talkin 12 years old maybe, right in the middle of the street, "I just want you to know that Jesus loves you" My first instinct would be "get away from me kid" or say something mean. But I knew it had to take a lot of balls to walk up to somebody and say that, and risk being ridiculed. I smiled, thanks man, I appreciate that, and thats good to know"

The kid was so relieved, it was almost as if he HAD to do this and wasnt sure how it was gonna work out, he was grinning ear to ear. We both made each other happy for a little while, was worth it.

And Jehova Witness as annoying as they are are just doing what they think is right and want to help

Its just for me, spirituality and God is such a complex thing, such an indescribable thing that simple passages tick me off.....

But I do think you have to try and understand the other person, they are not all into this as you are.

But again, i dont even know what you are trying to convince me of... lol

I dont feel condemned Tony.

""Because, unless you allow yourself to be branded like a dumb cow just to be a member of the coming "New World Order", there will still be a chance that you can make it. Oh, and rest assured, there won't be any room left for doubt when it happens smile.""

But I don't know exactly what to take from that.

It's been 40 years since I engaged in conversations where I challenged Christian dogma. Last time was back in college., I felt like I had mellowed about the entire subject of religion. And I dont want to diminish anyone's heartfelt attempt to connect with the force that created them.

But I will be honest with you...People who lead quiet and lovely lives, themselves observing the more loving teachings of their religions without advocating them to others or imposing the dire consequences of non-compliance....set an example that is much more persuasive than the hard evangelical sell with all of its many claims and warnings. The hard sell seems to employ the same psychological mechanisms that "promoters" of whatever product or service employ.

Talk about the nice things first, but scare em and then reveal the road to safety is a standard sales technique.

The hard sell just pushes many people away. And that might be evidenced in seemingly declining church membership.

Ps...if it is not evasion, then square up to the question and answer it. I did not bring the claims forward. You did.

Alot of the pressure the put on people is due to the fact that their leaders and teachings are telling them to do it, they are supposed to go out and advocate.

JW do the sale pitch you speak of

"Can I ask you a question" "Do you think the world is a bad place right now" sure....

Well, what if I told you that The Bible said this would happen" (Id say you are a nut job... lol)

No im usually very respectful, it's just the tireless questions, its as if they think you have never encountered another JW before

A bout a year ago I getting lit up by them every day, although it slowed down a bit during covid

I know that. Paul and all of that.

I always try to pleasant. Like the kid in your street anecdote. He's sincerely trying to do something good with his life and slamming him down would say a lot of bad things about the slammer. If they wont let me go, I resort to....

"Mam or sir, I truly appreciate your desire to connect with your maker. Please respect my desire to do so in another manner."

I've never really had someone step over that and keep coming. I've seen a couple look like they wanted to but they didn't. Vocal and countenance matter too. Need to sound cordial but resolute.

In many ways they are just as unsure and confused as you are. The old adage fake it till you make it.

You dont join JW and suddenly have zero doubt and believe everything is peachy keen. Id say there is alot of sadness in their private lives, and they are going through the motions hoping they find answers in it.

I'm not confused. As stated before...God is or is not whatever God is or is not? Whatever I may want to believe doesn't change that.
So rather than reach for some image and story of God or manufacture my own, I just wait to find out if I even get to find out.
Until then...I let God be God.

That is being resolute in the realization that resolution is not available. There are uncountable things about the observable universe that we don't know. I'm not going to start guessing what they are. I will enthusiastically look at things that scientists reveal and be glad that I am alive to do so.
Paraphrasing Hawkings..."I cant tell you what God looks like but I have seen some things regarding how God thinks."

Yes but the belief is all you have to work with, because we dont know what God is, we have belief we will know one day

Thats what causes all the divide. If we knew what God was and that there is one, then there would be no need for belief.

We used to think the world was flat, that was a belief, we eventually found out its not. Actually my history teacher said they always knew it was round... but for purposes here.

God is a belief until further notice.

You dont seem to comprehend what I wrote.
I would like to know what God is, but that information is not available to me. And I accept that I may die and possibly cease to exist altogether without ever knowing.

That is not what I prefer, but that is in the running for one of the possible outcomes to the story of Marty.

Nonetheless...If this life is all that I get...I am profoundly grateful that I had it.

I do comprehend what you're saying. How would you know the information is not available to you though? Did you go through all religions and decide this? Or did you take short cuts. Have you prayed day and night and ask God to reveal himself to you? Did you take LSD and hope TImothy Leery had an idea? Have you died and returned?

I agree nobody really knows, but I will say that from all the religious and spiritual traditions, saying I dont have any information about God, is not right, they would say you do have information, tons of it.

So you dont have information that YOU believe gives you insight into God. Ok, I dont buy the simple explanations either.

But your ideas border more on not believing than believing. I take it a day at a time. The more i think about it the more frustrated I get

We want to believe, but some of us are unable, some of us leave the door open.

According to most religions, you need to be doing things NOW, to know what God is later. So if you wait till later could be too late, thats what all the advocating is about.

Wow.

I like road trips. I have a song up on youtube about road trips.

Went on one today to pick up some specialty frozen meats at a country butcher about an hour away so two hours, for people who don't take th long way home like I always like to do

Beautiful day and it clears the mind and for me acts as a cleanser and adjuster.

I went by my favourite piece of road just east of our Niagara Escarpment , dives into a river valley then follows the river before starting its climb back up. I jogged through a gap between Mouint Nemo and Rattlesnake Point heading west past Highway 6 to Brock Rd...then south to Mordens a country butcher, where I picked up Berkshire Pork Sausages and Wild Boar Burgers.

Back went toward Dundas and Lake Ontario where I planned to eventually reclimb the escarpment to Waterdown and head back up via my favourite road back into Etobicoke, a western part Toronto bordering on Mississauga, wher my road trip ended

I come back to see the prophecy debate is on hot and the AC as defined by The Bible is imminent and will rise by taking economic control of the world

Sides are being taken on immenence and what it will look like

I think I have that right

For me, as an independent objective observer of what I believe is reality, I must leave room for those who live by what they perceive of as their reality

In what I believe to be my reality I must accept on faith some described abstract reality, so I cannot logically or fairly deny the faiths and beliefs of others. Religions are systems of belief

I've been told by Christians I will go to hell if I do not accept Christ wholly and faithfully ..well really in their fervour and need to live their beliefs they tell me this important part of their belief.

So I have to believe the For side of AC's coming is heavily invested as it comes from prophecy in the Bible as well.

The Faith is strong in that one as Yoda would say

The questioning and confused and rational and stunned WTF? side of AC's coming is by its nature varied simply because it is one narrow prophesied event vs the rest of the world

In what I believe to be my reality, AC's not imminent for more than just that you'd need a lot more than economic power to dominate the world. Political, military, and diffused control from the AC out...in a world of International Law where 196 sovereign countries exercise sovereign control over their territories ... You have to examine the dynamic to allow for an AC to arise I think, so if we look back into history it is an idea, an ideal that people organize around. I think The Bible warns of false prophets in the future and who might claim to be Christ, performing wonders. It also warns against those who deny God and Jesus

In the end, I'm not preoccupied with it and it means little to me and to those preoccupied by AC's imminent rise, I respect your decisions to live according to your beliefs...but do not expect me to decide as you do or live by your beliefs

I dont need to go through all the religions. That would be a fool's errand.

Conclusive or even convincing information is not available to me because it is simply not available. All religions come back to pretty much the same code of ethics (essentially Aristotelian) with different back stories. And they borrow from each other. Noah from the Zoroasters. The immaculate conception from Poseidon (as I recall)

If one of them really seemed to be on to something and its' supernatural claims could be verified by information outside of itself...I would already know about it and be very interested.
And I will continue to be interested and on the look out. So if you see any spiritual belief system that stands up to empirical scrutiny...Please make me aware of it.

That does not include "The Book of Dom."

Headed out. Have a good evening.

Spirituality in a human body can only be a feeling, cant be a key to a lock somewhere. Good Vibrations

Creation of everything seen and unseen, can be considered on a spectrum.
At one end is absolute random and inanimate creation.
On the other might be a divine and ultimate being or beings.
And there are points in between.

Something is either true or not true. There is a key to that somewhere.

We can hope that we die in this array of dimensions and go to another (heaven etc) where all that is revealed. Maybe. Maybe not.

True and not true are not even evident in a world with TV camera and recorded activities.

I agree with your other comments but truth seems to be who you ask. This thread proves that.

Maybe it's all an individual and personal thing, maybe carrying out into the great ether.....

Whether the red sea parted or never did is either true or not true.
If the tree falls in the forest it makes a sound whether heard or not.

My favorite off the wall theory about the red sea is that an earthquake caused a tsunami that drew the red sea down long enough for the Jews to get across and then the tidal wave crashed across the Egyptians. Fun theory...but truth is not in the eye of the beholder.

https://abcnews.go.com/2020/video/noahs-biblical-flood-evidence-suggests-happened-18041950

Truth is in the eye of the beholder, you're republican your ideas are true to you, to a liberal they are not.

Yeah yeah yeah.

Perception is not everything.
Beyond perception is the truth.

And it has a nasty way of getting the last word.

Good evening.

Incorrect. https://www.technologyreview.com/20...eres-no-such-thing-as-objective-reality/

And i was just reminded of a conversation I had with a teacher/priest at school. We were talking about how, if somebody tries very hard to be good, and others dont, yet they both go to heaven, whats the point of trying to be good.

Priest answered, and it appears far ahead of his time, perhaps heaven will be how you perceive it. Maybe, if you're a bastard in life, youll have a bastard of a time in the after life, cause you wont know what it means. Perhaps the more in tune with love and happiness you are in this life, the more acclimated youll be in the afterlife. Can a total bastard experience beauty and joy? Maybe not fully

He didnt explain it like that that is me after years of thinking about it. But physics seems to back it up, at least in the physical/perception side.

Agreed!

Wow Japov jumped on the wrong ship didnt he? LMAOOOO

https://www.newscientist.com/articl...st-but-we-must-still-strive-for-answers/

I copy and pasted this anecdote to my personal scrapbook so that I may view it again and again in the future. It is one of the best and purest examples of mental masturbation that I have ever seen. Thank you for providing it.

Btw...do you identify as a boy or a girl today?

I am glad that we agree on something Tony. That may provide a good place to sign off.

You copied and pasted that? I just got done copying and pasted what you wrote....> I copy and pasted this to my personal scrapbook so that I view it again and again. It is one of the best and purest examples of mental masturbation that I have ever seen. Thank you for providing it.

Actually, nothing you have said in this thread is true, and i have science to back it up. do I stutter?

https://www.technologyreview.com/20...eres-no-such-thing-as-objective-reality/

You did the usual 30 second search of google and found some cranky broadly written 3 paragraph thing that you feel validates your ramblings. It even punctuates the point with the picture of a soup kitchen.
If you FEEL and PERCEIVE that it does validate you...then I guess that is all you need.

Do you identify as a boy or a girl today?

lol, its only rambling when somebody disagrees with you....

I search for answers, and as u2 said I still havent found what Im looking for"

What I offer is possibilities, you offer that the only possibility is that you decide what the possibilities are.

Physicists have long suspected that quantum mechanics allows two observers to experience different, conflicting realities. Now they’ve performed the first experiment that proves it.

Are you a physicist? "Are you smarter than a 5th grader"? You might be a redneck if you think objective reality exists.....

No I identify as a man, actually an adonis, more powerful than a locamotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound.....

but it's my truth and im entitled to it. Others may or may not agree, my view of myself is totally subjective.

If a man thinks he's a woman, his reality is, she is. Seemingly nobody can talk them out of it (ie Marty)

Now im only gonna bring this up 5 or 6 more times, so make sure you get it right... and watch it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYp5XuGYqqY

The photon experiment is an old supposition of quantum physics. One photon and two outcomes. It has always been a go to model of how quantum mechanics works for science classes. The Pavlov's dog of quantum physics.
Somebody somewhere claims to have replicated it and the article author extrapolates from that...that all things are matters of viewpoint.
Towards the end of the article is the parenthetical....well, maybe they did not actually do it paragraph. Additionally the article author is selling a relativist social agenda that all fact is opinion...which is belied by the soup kitchen pic.

But you're taking it to the bank as proof that your musings are truer than truth, because truth cannot actually be known according to you and the 3 paragraph article.
When Elon sends astronauts to Mars, I hope that his team has a tighter view of reality and truth than you and this author have.

Here is another viewpoint...
Quantum physics, relativity theory, string theory are all complex and beyond your ability to truly comprehend. Mine too.
But for all practical purposes you and I live a Newtonian existence of cause and effect. Quantum mechanics doesnt really apply to your execution of your life for any practical reason. Other than possibly to add a layer of confusion.

The gist is that the truth is real and matters in the existence of everyday mortals such as you and me.

You never answered...Do you identify as a boy or a girl this morning?

Could you be any more redundant Dom?
The Bible summed this up thousands of years ago. We are limited by this physical existence because WE ARE NOT GODS. Science is just men trying to figure out how God did it. So, without a proper guide, the one road to the truth is obscured by infinite self serving imaginings of men.

Marty i did answer it, i said identify as an adonis, with superman like qualities, today and every day.... read

Japov, everything you wrote may be precisely right, this is looking at it from a worldly sense, the only physical way we can, at the moment. I dont dismiss God at all, in fact, He's very likely the guy who designed physics, and knew one day wed discover it, and i still have belief in me.

This is a fascinating video, Marty didnt view it cause he was commenting on a different article


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYp5XuGYqqY

Nothing new or profound in the video.
A Tony Robbin's styled delivery of "Science for Dummies."

Boy or girl today?

To quote SNL Marty you ignorant slut...

Yeah he's tony robbins like....

Professor of cognitive science at cal irvine.... yeah, a real motivational speaker. Hes right too, YOU see the world how YOU see it

https://www.cogsci.uci.edu/~ddhoff/

Yep, even this guys premise in the video, and the basis for quantum physics, originates in the Bible. What kind of being exists outside of physical space and time? How does science define the "spirit realm"?

Doesnt Marty like Russel Brand? I dont look to him for science, but Marty loves the guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KELApiVxLhI

He may have those credentials.
But there is nothing new or profound presented in the video. It is a low key Tony Robbins smooth authoritative voice delivery and it is science boiled down for lay people.
If you take this as the basis for believing that there is no objective truth...you're all set then.
I'm not going to live in that fog with you.

The Japanese were preparing for an American invasion/siege at the end of WW2. But it ended differently because there was a very different and particular reality and truth. Truth and facts matters.

Do you identify as a boy or girl today? Which is your truth?

Nothing profound?

WOW. Yeah just turning the whole idea of the nature of life upside down, rather humdrum.

Well?

Marty doesn't love Russell Brand. I enjoy his detachment from conventional views of things, but dont share a lot of his beliefs.
We're headed down the Domhole here. Next I will be seeing videos of myself and Dom will be demeaning my personal appearance like a teenage-school-girl-cyber- bully.
Gonna pass on that.

Btw...both eyes are repaired and I have 20/15 vision. So that aspect of my personal appearance is no longer available to demean.

No, how you appear to me, is now confirmed to be an illusion, you might not be as hideous as I thought.

See the value of these videos?????

LMAOOOOOO

We go down a domhole cause no matter what anybody says, youll still be Marty.... God himself included.

It is new and profound to you.

Because I know the old models, and the fact that we dont see reality, would make it impossible to provide proof of a God to you..

Get it?

Ive watched many such videos and read many such articles, I offer a possibility , you dont.

Why seek possibilities when the answers we've already been given are so much more interesting?

Cause even the most stern believers look both ways when they cross the street.

Did I ever tell you the one about the guy hanging from a tree branch off a range of mountains? Looks down and see nothing but rock and canyons, looks up and says "God, if you are up there please help me" God says "let go" and the guy says "is there anybody else up there?"

Tony

Your thread has turned into Dom's personal tarpit. Otherwise known as a Domhole.
He is yours for a while.

Your ability to perpetuate an argument is truly astounding Dom!
It's truly a gift

Oh you mean when you said "Why seek possibilities when the answers we've already been given are so much more interesting?

That was the nail down? I see, so everything you have said is exactly true.

I wouldnt be going into Martys corner, he doesnt believe one word you have said in this entire thread, if you dont believe anything, believe that!

lol, im gonna work on music, work with Marty Japov if you want to be his tag team partner...

No jamming for you...