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"ALL BUSINESS IS DIRTY BUSINESS TODAY". It's just a sign of the time! Imo...The USA had a strange period following 2 world wars and a great recession, where the world was building back and there was a lot of prosperity...and people were simply glad not to be put through more of the hell that they had been through. Other than the Cold War there was greater sense of calm. And then my generation (boomers) went to work on destroying that beginning in the 60s. And then the same people who denounced their parents as "capitalist pigs" became even greedier than their parents in the 80s. And now Western Society has returned to a more typical version of itself. The rot has returned much fuller. In every era, you Revelations enthusiasts announce that all of the signs are in place and the end times are nigh. Don't get your hopes up to high Tony.
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Yes, and any man not seeking God's will must only be serving his own...
But...
We are that generation that witnessed the rebirth of Israel and the desert blooms again...
In the old testament Israel is always referred to as a fig tree... Hosea 9:10, Jeremiah 8:13, Jeremiah 24:, Micah4:4
Matthew 24: 32“Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. 34Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
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Question:
Does fate always bear out prophecy? or is it possible that prophecy sometimes bears out fate?
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Lol... Define fate. I'm just a messenger and a repentant witness, not a fortune teller... and no, God is not a time traveler lol. Linear time is our limitation, not His. He is the Alpha AND Omega. He knows our past, present, and future because this linear, physical existence that we enjoy is his creation. Even if we could map the entirety of this seemingly infinite physical universe, we would still only come to one conclusion... We are not gods, and some things are simply not meant for us to understand.
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Ok. Be all that as it may... If you talk to someone who has any sway with those events, ask them if they can't find a workaround for the whole Armageddon thing. Sounds awful. Maybe have a beer summit instead?
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You know what? Armageddon does sound awful lol... Thank God I'm not going to be there!
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Christianity= love, compassion, love those who hate you, whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers.
"There is another commandement, and its as important as "love God with all your heart" and its "love thy neighbor".
Now that's the part most Bible readers forget. They dont have to do anything, just say God is my savior, and all is well.
Religious people are often the nastiest people. Ever bump into an old lady with one of those huge church hats? Youll get an earful.
Didnt Jesus say "faith without acts is dead"? Dont be so sure you're going to Heaven. Dont make up your own rules.
Dom doesnt want this thread to keep going, he's sick of it... Love your brother as you would yourself, and stop posting this stuff.
"Whatsoever you do, to the least of my brothers, as you do unto me." that's what it's all about right there. Its not about reciting words.
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I think the reality of God envelops our universe and existence if we we ascribe to God the creation of our universe, and believe God to be the sum of all existance, all the known and unknown out there for all time
Still our one shared Judeo Christian Islamic God is one way to look at ultimate reality. Our world has been gifted with a number of other important beliefs that should all be accorded respect.
I like where Dom's mind is at in this, in that the universal rule shared among religions is in fact the Golden Rule he cites
My friend and colleague Paul McKenna created the Golden Rule Poster which captures the way this rule is phrased across all beliefs...and it has circulated around the world
Everyone has the right to believe what they may and act on their beliefs to the extent they do no harm to others in the name of God. Bless Everett for his consistent belief in his version of faith. I may not be a literal believer in the Bible as he is, and I find his pronouncements irrelevent to me, but I find his dedication to what he believes to be his duty to evangelize admirable.
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It's no mystery to the Spirit why God's truth is always met with such illogical scorn. My apologies...
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Picking and choosing what you like out of the Bible is also illogical You ignore Jesus, but read Revelation, which is so far out there, nobody could understand it.
Our Earth has been destroyed at least four times, we were once ruled by dinosaurs, we have been pummeled by asteroids for thousands of years, and had hurricanes, tornados, flooding, for THOUSANDS of years. weve gone through 5 ice ages, and deep in human history we were nothing but savage hunters looking for food. No different than other animals now.
Logic goes out the window, it makes ZERO sense.
I was raised catholic and I do believe in God, but its a ever changing belief. I think there is something to Heaven being on Earth someday, because physics has shown us that we dont see our environment, we could be walking amongst spirits and ancestors all the time and not know it or see it.
Its possible there is a spiritual part of us, and I like to believe there is something. it may be inherant in all living beings. We are one with the universe. We are made with the same stuff from stars, Maybe Jesus was trying to nudge us in the right direction.
But I dont believe in a brick house in the sky.
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I ignore Jesus...?
Revelation 1: 1This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon come to pass. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John, 2who testifies to everything he saw. This is the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. 3Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear and obey what is written in it, because the time is near.
I highly recommend you continue reading...
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Returning to the post quoted below.... It seems that Meghan and Harry have ignited a major battle in the Spotify Wars. Spotify is giving them 25 million for the exclusive right to their podcasts. It is the same Meghan who denounced the royals as racist and privileged. Now her marital connection to them and their privilege is the sole reason that she has the privilege of scoring 25 million for a podcast. And musicians are screaming WTF? 25 million? There is all that money available, and it is going exclusively to them?!!!!! article https://nypost.com/2021/04/24/prince-harry-meghan-markle-25m-spotify-deal-enrages-artists/If songwriters are going to score wins in this war, it needs to be at this battle. The "royals" have brought it front and center to the public. There are many components to the streaming conflict.
The biggest is the millions of streaming customers who comprise the 83 percent. They arent returning to vinyl. Their concerns are themselves and their access to their music for the lowest investment.
Beyond that they are infatuated with the "stars." The songwriters dont even exist in their galaxy unless they are stars singing their own songs.
The next issue is the streamers themselves and their hold on the product and delivery. Their market share makes them appear very strong.
The next issue is the division of profits. I've no idea how much is there and what the big stars get...but we know that the streamers possess whatever monies there are, so they will have to agree to a different distribution. Which means that they and the stars will have to change their take. Not likely.
Lastly, is the influence of the songwriters and their advocates. They can write articles and hold symposiums...but can they actually modify the forces in control. What leverage do they have. Witholding their work product is futile. Too many of them will break ranks or not join their ranks at all if they have something that is working. The question...Are the songwriters howling at the moon in the hopes of changing its orbit? Or can they actually change its orbit.
We'll see.
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We are past the "era of the song" and are in the "ERA OF THE CELEBRITY." That is all that motivates viewers or listeners, and all that people really care about. Music is everywhere, mostly all disposable and people no longer look at music at all as they once did. Where once music was a primary influence in our lives, top 40, then 20 radio, artists and their songs were paramount. Fewer songs were in the forefront, so the attention was focused on those and the artists.
Than came cable television, multiple channels, more radio stations, mor avenues to get music. THEN, came the Internet, and people could stream whatever they wanted whenever they wanted. They also could file share and pirate music for free. Music was moved to the background. And with the net platforms, endless streaming for next to nothing, millions and millions of choices, artists everywhere, music was the disposable, "anyone can do it" element. Music and musicians now are the equivilant of the endless people that paint, sculpt, or draw for those flea markets, craft fairs, sidewalk art shows. Everyone can do it, it's all subjective and for the most part only worth what the artist themselves can generate.
The celebrity culture permeates everything we do. Sports stars tweets can incite societal upheaval, every one weighs in on every issue. Viral presence is far more important than anything creative. Celebrities dictate every aspect. The only comforting thought is that they are as fleeting as anything. In a society with an 8-30 second attention span, today's mega stars are tomorrows answer to a trivia question. Their names pop up, and most people's response is "WHO? Oh yeah, that's like so three weeks ago."
There will be new celebrities, new mergers, new people coming up to replace what was THE RAGE a few weeks before. All disposable, all forgettable.
And that. Is where we are. Do yourselves a favor and don't be expecting "the return of music or whatever." It's not coming back. MAB
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A podcast is still content, and content people will follow if it is interesting enough...so many people are in fact interested in the story that Spotify is betting their podcats will be listened to by many
Don't see this as any different from a major star being signed to a contract to produce content for TV, radio, a live show, Netflix etc etc.
It is simply alternative spotify programming.
It is not like they walked into a recording studio with a full band and autotune to create a song written especially for them.
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Agree Marc
Also appears that Meghan has made this a telling moment in the Spotify War. Giving her 25 million versus giving an established musician or songwriter $25 has drawn a battle line, and her celebrity and that of the royals has made the Spotify War public. Because of exactly what you said. The public is obsessed with her and the longest running masquerade party in Western Civ which is the "royals."
And because of all that we get to see (in Britain) if the musicians and songwriters have any actual ammunition to fight with. I also instinctively agree with your last sentence that things have changed and wont unchange to any significant degree.
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Music has not gone anywhere, and not going anywhere. We can use the same technology that tries to doom it, by listening to good music. The only difference is celebrity and media dominance renders the few lucky enough to be there musicians, the kings of music. And all else is considered chit. But in a way, that has always been there. The grammy's have always celebrated the few and lucky enough to be there, and ive had conversation with people, and they believe the grammys are the best musicians. "Oh, well, if so and so was so good, why wasnt he nominated for a grammy? DUHHHHH I dont believe songs are dead, Tayor Swift would be Taylor Chit without her songs. She not a great singer, not bad, but not great, sounds sweet and nice, like her demographic. Not a great musician, shes not even a great entertainer, compared to likes of Lady Gaga, and Beyonce who are probably way more musically and dancibly talented. But what she did have was her songs, her songs captured the imagination of young girls, like nobody has. That's talent, and she writes a nice catchy hook. All my favorites from yesteryear stink now cause they cant write any more. Eventually you hit a wall, everybody does. But there are indies out there who blow my mind, and make a living, they just aint gonna be walking the red carpet. But I think theres also people who roll their eyes and celebrity today. Its like, when it first started, it was interesting, now social media is so forced, and so stupid, and so..."off the top of my head" that nobody is even ready when something interesting comes along. Most people have to be bored with social media by now, and must also realize that nobody gives a damn what they think. Soon the younger generations will want an alternative to social media, i think weve seen it a bit with cell phones. But, Great local indies are still doing well but lack of gigs has hurt them. Great songs? Look no further, even caught attention of the boss...lol a multi millionaire and a scrub... lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlmBCrBJokA
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To my view, the current issues that matter are....
Spotify's gross revenue and if it could be increased. User fees ceilings. Spotify's net profit and if it could be distributed differently and create any true satisfaction. Spotify's willingness to cooperate in a redistribution plan. The desire and ability of governments to enforce a redistribution. The legal ramifications of governments and courts getting into redistribution. The ability of the musicians to coerce Spotify into giving them more of THEIR profits using adversarial techniques.
I dont see it happening to any significant degree.
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This came up in my feed, roseann cash and the boss, everybody wants to sing with the boss lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksfAyW5FCww
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And even I have never written a song about Bruce, I have name dropped him in songs. But Its dangerous writing a song like this, cause you stereotype yourself.. Eric Church, great song though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2gGXlW6wSY
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I saw Roseanne Cash in Marfa, Texas a couple of years ago. She was very good.
You could step outside the venue and throw a rock and literally hit the train track that connects NOLA with LA. So when the train came by, it added to the family nostalgia.
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Then there's guys who everybody confuses Bruce with, made him so mad he wrote a song about it... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW1Frr4OcRcMan I think Bruce hurt his legacy a bit with politicing, but man he sure impacted alot of people.
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Really can't see the Spotify issue as a problem in this area...
Content is ALWAYS the filler between advertising and in subscription models, it drives revenue
Paying for a Windsor|Markle podcast is a Spotify business decision. It will attract an audience or it won't..If the latter, they will get cancelled...if it is a new Howard Stern Show it will last
In the end, the audience will decide.
Did they get a boost up from they celebrity status? Undoubtably to absolutely true
But there is nothing new here WRT to obsession with celebrity...the National Enquirer started in 1926.
There was a famous rivalry in the 1940s between two hollywood gossip collumnists, Hedda Hopper and Louella Parsons...whose reach extended out to 75 million Americans
Nothing new there either
Some magazines are simply showcases for celebrities ...People, US, Entertainment Weekly.... and Sports Illustrated wants stories about accomplished, famous, celebrity athletes
In all cases it is about advertising and subscription revenue...which can only come if the eyeballs are drawn to content
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Man hes been name dropped more than MAB and Mike Zaneski
Prefab Sprout: “Cars and Girls”
“Brucie dreams life’s a highway, too many roads bypass my way… But look at us now, quit driving, some things hurt more, much more than cars and girls.”
Dan Bern: “Talkin’ Woody, Bob, Bruce & Dan Blues”
Randy Newman: “My Life Is Good”
“You know what he said to me? … He said, ‘Rand, I’m tired/How would you like to be the Boss for a while?’
John Cougar (Mellencamp): “Kid Inside”
“It’s getting hard to justify my position/When everything I’m sayin’ can be said better by Mr. Springsteen.”
Rodney Atkins: “It’s America”
“It’s a high school prom, it’s a Springsteen song, it’s a ride in a Chevrolet/It’s a man on the moon and fireflies in June and kids sellin’ lemonade/It’s cities and farms, it’s open arms, one nation under God/It’s America.”
Warren Zevon: “The Indifference of Heaven”
“They say, ‘Everything’s all right’/They say, ‘Better days are near’/They tell us These are the good times/But they don’t live around here/Billy and Christie don’t/Bruce and Patti don’t/They don’t live around here.”
Bowling for Soup: “1985”
“Since Bruce Springsteen, Madonna, way before Nirvana/There was U2 and Blondie, and music still on MTV/Her two kids in high school, they tell her that she’s uncool/’Cause she’s still preoccupied with 1985.”
Deaf Havana: “22”
“I’m somewhere between happy and okay/With Springsteen in my headphones singing mockingly away/Oh, Brucie, baby, I’ve seen better days.”
Titus Andronicus: “The Battle of Hampton Roads”
“I’ve destroyed everything that wouldn’t make me more like Bruce Springsteen/So I’m going back to New Jersey, I do believe they’ve had enough of me.”
Ian Hunter: “Listen to the Eight Track”
“Sometimes I get a woman in here/And I put on Bruce Springsteen’s new double album/And then, just when everything’s getting hot/I start turning the volume right down low/Baby, let me snuggle right next to you.”
Tom Robinson: “Grey Cortina”
“Fur-lined seats and lettered windscreen/Elbow on the windowsill/Eight track blazing Brucie Springsteen/Bomber jacket, dressed to kill.”
Frank Turner: “Redemption”
“I was walking home to my house through the snow from the station/When the Springsteen came clear in my headphones with a pertinent question/Oh, is love really real and can any of us hope for redemption?/Or are we all merely biding our time down to the lonely conclusions?”
Joe D’Urso: “Rock and Roll Call”
“Bruce is the Boss, Elvis is the King, Ol’ Blue Eyes, he’s the Chairman of the Board, and Dylan’s the Muse, he’s always the muse.”
The Felice Brothers: “Saturday Night”
“I ain’t the Boss but I’m his illegitimate son/’Cause baby, I was born to run.”
Weezer: “Heart Songs”
“Mr Springsteen said he had a hungry heart.”
David Nail: “Sound of a Million Dreams”
“My 18th summer I was a cocky up-and-comer/Crankin’ up ‘Born to Run’ ”
Lady Antebellum: “Stars Tonight”
“Girls in their heels and a skinny pair of blue jeans/Boys in black pearl buttons looking just like Springsteen.”
Kenny Chesney American Kids – “We were Jesus save me, blue jean baby Born in the USA”
Dar Williams’ song “FM Radio” — “Remember Bruce Springsteen divorced a model and Married a musician!”
Red Hot Chili Peppers “She’s Only 18” … a smell of Springsteen, a pair of pantyhose … He’s the last of the all night, do right Hey Rosalita won’t you come out tonight He’s the last of the hard-core troubadours
“Hard Core Troubadour,” Steve Earle Turned the TV on and Badlands was playing … I know, he ain’t no Springsteen, oh should I blame him? Like fire and ice / I’m burning Other songs:
Springsteen – Roger Davies Springsteen Gold – Rich O’Toole If I don’t Make It Back- Tracy Lawrence “Drive my Camaro 90 miles per hour down Red Rock Road with Born To Run blasting on the radio”. Lori McKenna, “All it Takes.”: 5 strings on a 6 string Initials on a gold ring Anything Bruce Springsteen… Sometimes — that’s all it takes… To remind me of you
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All of that might true John V, but I think that the current issue up to bat is whether or not musicians and songwriters will go to the mailbox and find a check for a couple of thousand or $25 ...for the exact same work product.
Is there any way to reverse any of it or should they just resign to it and think about something else? People hold on to things like livelihoods. They often want final proof that they should merely give up, because time has passed them by. Meghan and Harry may have provided the opportunity to obtain that proof.
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wrong link, here is the millionaire and the scrub. Bruce willing to help artists he believes in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlmBCrBJokA
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Is it willful ignorance or effectual societal programming? I can't decide any more. Attention span v/s perpetual celebrity drama, talent v/s promotion, profitable product v/s peripheral endorsements... Can't any of you see the bigger picture? Profit driven commercial capitalism is designed and engineered to distract and convince you to choose sides and remain brand name loyal. It's every bit as political as a presidential campaign, and public address (the media) is where the rubber meets the road. It's a cult of market manipulation, and if you can't see that whoever owns the media only feeds you what they want you to consume, then your fate is sealed and you will never think for yourself again. Because money is celebrity, money is entertainment, money is notoriety, money is influence, money is power, and money is all that currently matters. It doesn't matter if you're a songwriter, seamstress, shoe maker, or chef; If you're not accepted and appropriately politically branded by the media, then you will never be seen.
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Tony Human beings have not changed much in thousands of years. The big attractions have always been gold, glamour, power and drama. What changes are the things around human beings. That is noticeably different today, but the basic draws remain the same. And no offense to you...but enough money beat God and Jesus in a head to head battle 2,000 years ago...and I'm afraid that it still does. As Chris Rock once said...."A man is only as faithful as his options." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ShI4DKBdyw
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Bruce Springsteen might be the greatest live performer of all time, love how the band all learns the song on stage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-Ds-FXGGQg
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Tony Human beings have not changed much in thousands of years. The big attractions have always been gold, glamour, power and drama. What changes are the things around human beings. That is noticeably different today, but the basic draws remain the same. And no offense to you...but enough money beat God and Jesus in a head to head battle 2,000 years ago...and I'm afraid that it still does. As Chris Rock once said...."A man is only as faithful as his options." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ShI4DKBdywLol... "effectual societal programming" it is then
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Man, I never saw Springsteen on Broadway, couldnt get tickets and they were goin for 700 bucks a pop his guy did a bad theft of it, but at least we get to watch it. I did see it on netflex. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3NWF9WMLt8&t=225s
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Lol... "effectual societal programming" it is then For the last few millenia....I guess so. Overall, and for the last couple of million years...mainly just the nature of the beast.
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Well then... if the human race is still evolving, I guess I'll just have to wait for ya'll to catch up
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Well then... if the human race is still evolving, I guess I'll just have to wait for ya'll to catch up LOL Amidst all your eternal hell and damnation talk, it's good to see some humor. You had me stacking up cases of bottled water and cans of pork and beans down in the basement. I'm gonna take a break from that.
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People dont realize how good of a guitar player Bruce is too. And he probably made Warren Zevons day showing up to lay down a solo for him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAWa9eiSjw8
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Ponder this...Matthew 5:29 (pertaining to lust) "If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell" Pastor said that this passage shouldn't be taken literally. So my question... what part of the Bible should be taken litterally, and what part shouldn't - and who decides? John
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what ever is convenient John.
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Ponder this...Matthew 5:29 (pertaining to lust) "If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell" Pastor said that this passage shouldn't be taken literally. So my question... what part of the Bible should be taken litterally, and what part shouldn't - and who decides? John Whoever is preaching decides. Along with the people listening who agree. And if people dont agree, they might break off and start their own church, in order to preach the true truth somewhere else...and purify their earthly beings. Like Ricky Gervais said...(paraphrased)....there are 4300 religions in the world and person X thinks that they are populated by misguided fools...except for one.
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Oh Lord... The sheep are surrounded and the shepherd is drunk!
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Sorry to interrupt all the sidetracking and apocalypsin' go on around here, but returning briefly to the point, here is another view that offer's one individual's theory about goings on in the music delivery world. It is a personal opinion but presented reasonably and methodically. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxbmXhAkS1QThe comments are interesting as the video itself. Rick Beato is the 1st commenter.
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The point...? The POINT?!? MONEY!!!
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Adam Raised A Cain
(From Darkness On The Edge Of Town - 1978)
"In the Bible Cain slew Abel and East of Eden he was cast You're born into this life paying for the sins of somebody else's past Daddy worked his whole life for nothing but the pain now he walks these empty rooms looking for something to blame You inherit the sins, you inherit the flames Adam raised a Cain"
. Living Proof
(From Lucky Town - 1992)
"In a world so hard and dirty so fouled and confused Searching for a little bit of God's mercy I found living proof"
. Across The Border
(From The Ghost Of Tom Joad - 1995)
"For what are we without hope in our hearts? That someday we'll drink from God's blessed waters and eat the fruit from the vine I know love and fortune will be mine, somewhere across the border"
5. My City Of Ruins
(From The Rising - 2002)
"Now with these hands... I pray Lord... With these hands...I pray for the strength, Lord I pray for the faith, Lord, we pray for your love, Lord, we pray for the lost, Lord, we pray for this world, Lord... Come on, rise up... Come on, rise up"
6. Jesus Was An Only Son
(From Devils & Dust - 2005)
"Jesus was an only son, as he walked up Calvary Hill His mother Mary walking beside him, in the path where his blood spilled Jesus was an only son, in the hills of Nazareth As he lay reading the Psalms of David, at his mother's feet"
7. Rocky Ground
(From Wrecking Ball - 2012)
"Forty days and nights of rain washed this land Jesus said the money changers, in this temple will not stand Find your flock, get them to higher ground The floodwater's rising, we're Canaan bound"
8. Land Of Hope And Dreams
(From Wrecking Ball - 2012)
"This train... Carries saints and sinners, This train... Carries losers and winners, This train... Carries whores and gamblers, This train... Carries lost souls, I said this train... Dreams will not be thwarted, This train... Faith will be rewarded"
9. Heaven's Wall
(From High Hopes - 2014)
"There was a woman waiting at the well, drawing water 'neath a desert sky of blue She said he'll heal the blind, raise the dead, cure that sickness out of you"
10. This Is Your Sword
(From High Hopes - 2014)
"The times they are dark, darkness covers the earth, but this world's filled with the beauty of God's work
Hold tight to your promise, stay righteous, stay strong, for the days of miracles will come along
This is your sword, this is your shield, this is the power of love revealed"
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Trust me Dom, the Bible is a whole lot more interesting, and a whole lot scarier, than any Springsteen album lol.
Let's write a real song...
The signs of the time are lost on the blind Who have eyes but refuse to see Those who have ears but refuse to hear Deny the truth that was given for free
Let the blood rise to the bridles Let them lament what they've done Let the meek reclaim God's gift In the name of the triumphant Son
The vain and deceitful, the greedy and evil With crowns of gold but feet of clay The lion of Judah, Yeshua, hallelujah Will claim their thrones on judgment day
Let the birds feast on their flesh Let their inequity be undone Let the lightning strike in the east And sound the return of the triumphant Son
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Unless this thread stops, and/or disappears, im gone.
Do what ever the hell you want, but i just realized I got better things to do.
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Oh, come on FD... this still needs a bridge
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We make idols out of sport stars, musicians, singer, etc., but we must be careful not to make gods out of them. Jesus is the only God that walked on this earth and only He deserves to be worshiped and praised as the Saviour of man. Only through Him and His sacrifice can our sins be forgiven, only through Him can we gain Heaven. I can admire people that have been given special talents in many aspects of life, but I'll never put them on a pedestal and worship them to the point of making them a god. They are flawed human beings like everyone else needing a Saviour to forgive their sins.
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Shout it from the rooftops brother Everett! Write us a chorus
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Tony and Everett...
Please explain your viewpoint to me regarding something. There are people like me who are agnostic. Not atheist. Not antagonistic towards religion. We get why people want to find a connection to their reason for being. And dont fault them for choosing to accept Christianity as that reason. But we, personally, view the story of Christianity and Jesus with doubts.
Aside from that...I dont think that any reasonable person doubts that the quickest way to an argument is religion or politics. Even though this is a song site, that seems to be no issue. I've been on motorcycle ridership sites where conversations about either were stopped when they started.
I dont view your enthusiasm for your religion as anything bad. Been around it my whole life. But what do you feel about possibly offending or making those people uncomfortable with very different religious views or "non"-views? Does what offends them matter? If not, why not?
I know that the question is a cliche, but I dont ever have an opportunity to ask it in such a direct context.
Also...Bonus question.... You are convinced that the partitioning of Israel means that the end times are at hand. And that the prophesized one world government is arising as we speak, which will enable the anti-Christ. And then all the books and tv shows will come true. The earth will become enveloped in war, after which the victorious prince of peace will rule for a millenium.
But...what do you say to someone like me who agrees with you that some unified globalist government is something to be resisted...Yet...I am not at all certain that I want a one world government composed in your favored image?
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