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Someday, Ray, I'm gonna cut you in half like a redwood and count the rings just to figure out exactly how old you are!

Good on you for honoring that "Short Story Muse" who led you a tad outside your comfort zone!!!!

Looking forward to reading it...Don't forget to let us know where to find it!

Midnite

Ain't that the truth !

Thanks Midnite for your imput.

And Ray,if you would stop for one second, and just not worry about the copyright and just tell the damn story, we'd all be the better for it.

cheers, niteshift

Congrats! Keep the coals burning Nite. Someday I'll be crawlin' up to your front door begging for a film score.

Best, John

Hehe John,

It's going to take a many a fine year for me to catch up with your credits mate !

Thanks for your support.

cheers, niteshift

Well nite,
There are all kinds of posts of producers looking for scripts! And after 2 and 1/2 months my registration still has not come back. All I can say is there must be a lot more people writing scripts than songs! Geronimo!

What is the problem with not publishing before Copyright

if it comes on here it's Copyrighted

I once collaborated with a guy, a so called lyric writer

who was scared of sending any re writes because it might

be stolen the thing was he was not a very good writer and

was still learning like all of us Just saying not looking

for an argument life's too short RAY

And Would You Believe It,
Still haven't seen that Registration! I may, (or may not) have the next great story! Um sorry but it is too long to post here. But! The day ain't over yet! Um, sorry nite but I may be older than trees! I did get my cancelled check back so it is in the works. The weather in Washington has been a bit nasty so those folks probably ain't a working too hard!

I think Cheyenne is right Ray. Your work was copyrighted the moment you wrote it down. Just put it out there to the universe..... I don't know what happens though, if the universe replies.

cheers, niteshift

Although the universe may not reply....

Got a Tweet on my Twitter feed entitled....

If you think finishing a script is a great achievement, here is a pile of 2000 unread scripts at a friends office! - Balagan Productions



https://twitter.com/Balagan_Films

Oh the instant realisation !

cheers, niteshift

Great...ya never know where a door opens...Keep us posted.

I am looking to do something with a music video narrative that follows a concept.
I have been doing ads quite a bit towards that and have been using Adobe Elements to where I have not been hooked to a cloud, looking at video making and its many facets.
How much does amazon or other sites require to be hooked to a cloud?
Everything is so much to be shared nowadays. Do the members do anything standalone anymore? Not hooked in to the cloud?

Hey Matt,

The "cloud" is not really important re creativity or getting your ideas together.

What I find, that it's simply a storage space, and a space where you can "hire" software rather than own it.

That, together with software what allows you to work on a collaborative project with others, gives a focal point where computing power can be utilised.

Example ; I'm currently working on a 20 second 3d mock up where I want the camera to "walk" through the scene. If my own computer did it, the rendering would take 47 hours. If I use the cloud and a private provider, that same rendering takes about 20 minutes using "quote" a minimum of 3000 cpu's for about $10.

So it's about using money and time wisely, in regard to how much time do you have, and what is most cost effective.

There is no big drama about the cloud. It's simply just storing things on a bigger server, with far greater computing power, and being able to pay for hireage of a computer programme ( should you require it ) rather than owning the programme, and using that computing power to generate your finalised result. Simply something you cannot do with the best of domestic computers.

Stand alone ? That's fine, and for music, if you're not doing it professionally, most home computers will render music only in a relatively small amount of time.

cheers, niteshift

Thanks niteshift!

That has given me quite a bit to think about.
My instructor informed me about Adobe Essentials but mentioned the time factor too.
I am entering another quarter in the fall and could probably deal with the time.
But I am going to be looking at internships.
So maybe I will eventually have to get connected to the cloud to compete with ads.

I would love to have a brain and invent the best, fastest server.

Hey Matt,

The best server you have is your own brain, because that's where the creativity is. The rest is just time and patience.

cheers, niteshift

Hey All, I thought I might put up a few pages of script and the song that accompanies it. This one was generously donated to the cause by Scott Campbell and Bob Pickens. Since Trigger St seems to have gone belly up, Amazon is a no show and filmmakers.com just seem to want to run "contests", I thought heck, why not ? The intent, since it's a film with music, is to bury music within the script so the reader can have a listen and a sing along as they are reading. Kinda like those musical books for kids, but for adults like ..... um, interns which flick through the dialogue and comment that "it's just not what we're looking for at the moment" Please excuse the formatting, it won't correct. Opening scenes overlayed with credits......



EXT/INT 60’s CAR ON RURAL BACKROADS – 30 YRS PREVIOUS

TONI, 8 yrs old female, DANNY 6 yrs old male, KASEY 10 yrs old female and TONI’S DAD, 30’s male, rugged and sun tanned, a farming family ,drive along dusty rural roads in an old 1960s car.

Near dusk on a hot afternoon, the windows are wound down.

Toni’s Dad sits in the front bench seat, the three children sit in the back.

The radio is blaring, and they are all singing along.

Song - Taking the Backroads Home Intercut musically with the Beatles "She Loves You, Yeah Yeah Yeah"

The children are play fighting, and start to become out of control. Toni is pinching her Dad’s ears as he drives.

TONIS DAD
Hey you guys, settle down a
bit will you ?

The children continue their antics, and the squeals become louder. Toni appears to be the main instigator

TONIS DAD
( Looking in rear view mirror with kindly feigned annoyance )
I said tone it down !

The children appear to pay little attention as the car rounds a bend heading towards a one lane bridge.

TONIS DAD
( Looking over shoulder )
I said . . .

Toni’s Dad takes his eyes off the road to deal with the children, then returns his vision to the road.

The sun flares through the windscreen.

Toni’s Dad misses the entrance to a bridge. The car clips the side of the bridge, and careers down an embankment.

Upon first impact, Toni is seen flying from the back seat and crashing through the front windscreen.

The other occupants are seen tumbling inside the car.

The car lands upon its’ side into a river below.


EXT. TOP OF ONE LANE BRIDGE

Toni, cut and bruised, stands balancing upon the railing of the bridge, her hands outstretched slightly from her sides.

Motionless, she stares into the distance.

The car is half submerged below in the water.

Well, this thread seems to get a few views, but not many comments, so I thought I'd put up another page of script and the accompanying song.

The song for this scene is here ....... http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=704874&songID=13570533

"The Day I Fell in Love"




INT LOBBY OLD PICTURE THEATRE DAYTIME

A young TONI ( aged 6-8 yrs ) walks into the lobby of an old picture theatre holding her mothers’ hand.

It is dimly lit, and sunlight streaming through the large windows shows dust floating around in the air.

FAMILIES are congregating, buying popcorn and ice creams in a mood of disordered civility.

Across the room she sees a YOUNG BOY, a little older than herself.

The YOUNG BOY holds his mothers’ hand and waits patiently in line.

INT OLD PICTURE THEATRE DAYTIME

The movie has finished.

Toni and her mother are sitting in the middle of the audience.

The young boy and his mother sit in the front row.

As the lights come up, Toni is transfixed, staring at the back of the boys head.

For no reason, he turns around and they smile to each other.

INT. BEDROOM NIGHTIME

Toni awakens with a start and grabs the alarm clock.

It shows 3 AM.

She jumps out of bed, turns on the lights and begins to frantically search through the closet, tossing unwanted items behind her.

She finds what she is looking for, a BOX containing papers and photo albums.

She takes it to the bedroom and starts to go through its contents.

She finds an old photo album and flicks through it.

There is a class PHOTOGRAPH of school children, aged 6-8 yrs with a hand written summary of the names written at the bottom.

She locates the person in the photograph and locates the name – DAVID RAINE.

Toni appears puzzled. She grabs the phone and calls Dave.

TONI
Hey.

DAVE
Hey. What time is it ?

TONI
3 AM Does that matter ?

DAVE
Not if you don’t have to work in
the morning. Can’t get enough of
me eh ?
(pause)
I suppose you want to go out and eat

TONI
Very funny. Dave, what’s your name ?

DAVE
Is this a trick question ?

TONI
Your name, your real name. You told
me it was Dave Hollinger.

DAVE
It is. . . or rather it has been . .
( still half asleep )
I mean , I, my Mom remarried and
I took my stepfathers name.

TONI
Raine. It was Raine.

DAVE
How do you know that ?

TONI
You went to St Joseph’s primary
school.

DAVE
Yes. How would you know that? Have
you been Googling me TONI ? You
know, trying to check out my
unseemly past ?

TONI
No. You were in my brothers class.
But what I don’t understand is why
you were in my town when you said
you grew up in yours.

DAVE
We moved when my Mother remarried. You
know how it was in those days. No one
wanted their dirty laundry aired in a
small town. Did I know your brother ?

TONI
I’m not sure. He died a little
while after the photo ( trails off )

EXT. GRAVEYARD DAYTIME

The previous graveyard scene of Toni standing by her fathers’ grave is repeated.

The camera pulls back to reveal a second smaller grave next to it.



cheers, niteshift

Um, Well,
The story is finished, copyright registration came back. Took about 8 months. Tried a couple of Publisher's for hire. They want about $4200.00 or so. Sorry I ain't paying to publish the story. I looked at another site where they ask for info and then find recommendations for you, basically put up Sites you can click on. Well I recognized a couple of them already so passed. However somehow my info got transferred to a new Pay Publisher I didn't ask for. And wouldn't you know it I got a call from them trying to sell me their service.

I have been looking for Movie Producer's that are seeking scripts. There are some that have a page you can give your info about the script and they will contact you if they want to read the script/story. I have sent a few but no one has asked for the story. As it costs me about 12 to 15 bucks for the package I ain't sending anything until they ask for it. I believe most of the producer's are small studios so sending to them something and getting it produced is moot at best.

Hey Ray,

It can never do any harm to have copyright registration, especially for something that is unique and has taken a lot of work.

There's also nothing wrong with self publishing, if you're getting good feedback on your work. We all release songs which are self published. Including The Wiggles who very wisely kept their publishing rights to themselves.

So what you actually need is a small print run. THEN it's all legwork and self promotion until it gets on a respected critique site. These guys you are talking about are not publishers. It's similar to a dude with a small recording studio saying he's a record company.

If you have faith in yourself, and your work has been professionally vetted, then get it out there. Why not ?

cheers, niteshift

Ray, what is it you sent to the "publishers/" Your short story or your movie script, or both?

Hey Nite, seems you got the screenwriting form done well. Good luck with it. My bro's novel is almost completed (72,000 - 80,000 words). I'm his agent. Ha! Here's a video Ray Cooper created for it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWdMq1lZ7fE Seems all the big publishers have promotion packages. I thought since I did the music for Forged: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scAWpzAj7yQ - a Random House best seller release, they might cut me a deal. Either way, I'm in this hook, line and sinker. BAM has a pretty good promotional package. I'm thinking this is a backdoor in getting a film deal. In which case, maybe a film score for me. Then again, I may just be naive.

Best, John

BTW, I think Roy did a fantastic job. A great person to work with.

John

Gavin,
I sent a printed copy.

Hey John,

You're an agent ? Well, a spooky novel couldn't have a better agent than Mr Macabre himself !

Yep, it's all about promotion and marketing. Catch the punters eyes or ears, and then lift them up by the ankles and shake out their wallet and spare change.

The promo video looks great. As does the other novel. You're right about one thing. Why bother about trying to bang down the front door, when you can walk around the side and there might be a window left open ?

cheers, niteshift

Hey John,

You're an agent ? Well, a spooky novel couldn't have a better agent than Mr Macabre himself !

Yep, it's all about promotion and marketing. Catch the punters eyes or ears, and then lift them up by the ankles and shake out their wallet and spare change.

The promo video looks great. As does the other novel. You're right about one thing. Why bother about trying to bang down the front door, when you can walk around the side and there might be a window left open ?

cheers, niteshift

Yeah Nite, I'm a double agent - one for my bro and one for me, me, me. Window open? It could accidently be broken open.

John

Hey John,

Yes, of course, but broken open by someone else. Who me ? Don't know what you're talking about officer.

cheers mate, niteshift

Well lookkee here.......

50k views ? Does that mean that there's 50k film scripts out there looking for a home ?

cheers, niteshift

2000 unread scripts? That's nothing. I had over 150K CD's in my home, but we actually screened every single one of them! We're starting to toss them out as no one would take them but at a couple hundred a week, even after 5 years of tossing, there's STILL a LOT of them left!

I was reading an article about one of my all time favorite script writers Rod Serling. After many years he finally had his first script made into a TV Movie (one he thought nothing of in the least). It was his 76th feature length script he'd written. Like scripts, if you have written at least a few hundred songs, you're not ready to pitch any of them.

Brian

Thank's guys for your support over a number of years. This one hasn't worked for now, yet has opened doors for other paths.

If you can't knock on it, then either kick it down, or find the side entrance.

Write away !

cheers, niteshift