Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
I have said over and over again, that. That there is no way to prove you wrote something . Ai or not, a timestamp does not prove authorship, it may prove ownership, in select cases.

Consistency in songwriting is one way to get the benefit of the doubt.

You may have stolen one, but 25, 50, 200, ?

posting a lyric online timestamps it but dies not prove you wrote it. Can still lose a case having a timestamp.

As I said Consistency helps prove it, as does knowing your craft. If you can explain the process of how you wrote something, it can help prove your case.

Instead of any Ole work tape, I suggest documenting how a verse became a bridge, how you started with a chorus, and the chorus stayed for a year, until you came across this for a verse. Where you got yiur idea from, how it came into being

Perhaps recording yourself in the process of writing the song can help to.

The more detail you can muster the better.

That said, the issue about Ai is not just what did suno do...

In fact suno could probably tell more about how a song was written than anything else

The issue of are you a real songwriter if suno does it all. That's the point. Can anybody do the same thing?

Fortunately to date suno hasn't written a song clearly better than all its orhers. Very mediocre


Okay, I think I understand your point better now.

You’re not really saying that a live performance proves authorship. You’re saying that, with AI capable of creating an entire song, we’re going to have a much harder time knowing who actually wrote the song. And I agree with that.

I also agree that a timestamp by itself doesn’t prove authorship, and that a history of songwriting, drafts and being able to explain how a song developed can all add credibility.

And this is where I think your own posts actually illustrate the problem quite well. You’ve posted hundreds of songs here, and you’ve told us that the music was generated with Udio and that you wrote the lyrics. You’ve also said that the quality of the songs is largely because of the quality of your lyrics. I have no reason to say that isn’t true. But none of us actually knows whether the lyrics were written by you or generated with AI. And I’m not making any claim either way. That uncertainty is precisely the issue you’re talking about.

Where I still disagree is with the idea that the question is simply, “Are you a real songwriter if Suno does it all?” I think there’s a huge difference between someone entering a prompt and accepting whatever Suno gives them, and someone who actually writes the lyrics, melody and structure and uses AI as part of the realization of the song.

And the same applies to the recording. If AI provides the musicians, vocalist and production, that doesn’t make those musicianship skills mine. I shouldn’t claim them as mine. But it also doesn’t automatically erase whatever creative contribution I made as the songwriter.

So maybe the real question isn’t whether someone is a “real songwriter” or an “AI songwriter.” Maybe it’s: what did the human actually contribute to the song?