Originally Posted by Swami
Brian wrote:

Well, I will humor your diatribe this once, since you are new. I spent an hour helping you figure out how to get registered, and then was nice enough to respond to your post with solid experience and consideration.

***THAT'S AN OUTRIGHT F**KING LIE, BRIAN.***
I emailed you personally back on Oct 5th, (copied below) politely asking if my research story was too long for your message board and was it the right place to catch good responses. I heard nothing back in 11 weeks, assuming a rejection. Fine. Then, out of the blue, obviously after you had read my whole thesis, on Dec 25th, you replied, INVITING me to join, (as copied below).

You wrote: "Our registration system is broken at the moment but I can help you manually".

So I sent you my details for registration, as requested; waited 8 days to be registered (dunno why it took you a fucking hour just to do that); greatly shortened my research thesis and added an introductory paragraph as requested; uploaded and then waited for something helpful (like some contact details for old folks around SF). I DID NOT ASK FOR contrarian disavowal of my post.

Instead, I got your raging self aggrandisement, panning my 4 years of investigative work plus and a lunatic off-topic pile-on from your forum acolytes who completely ignored my sincere and explicit request for research help. So don't be so disingenuous as to make me out as a stupid troll, conned by a mysterious scam, and yourself as some gracious saint. If you'd already read my thesis between Oct and Dec, and thought it s**t, why did you invite me to the forum only to be ridiculed by yourself and the clown gallery?

And, as I already told you, which you blatantly ignored, accusing me of having no evidence for my late 60s CA conjecture, Joel Selvin, 76yo, The SF Chronicle's music critic from 1970-2000 said it's "clearly generic 1968-1969 SF folk rock scene". And he should know. He was there. So who am I to argue. I am in Australia btw.

So your own assessment, as vast as it may be and steeped in massive ego attachment, is not, imo, as valid as his. I've also emailed:
* Roy and Gaynell Rogers (born 1950, Redding, CA blues rock slide guitarist and record producer);
* Alex Palao (one of the Bay Area's most notable collectors of 1960s rock and roll and soul music);
* Pete Sennof (Atlantic Records Executive, LA 1973);
-- all of whom, as CAL natives, also fingered Light the Lanterns as "that late 60s West Coast sound".

So if you want to HELP ME and MY MISSION, instead of making this whole thread about YOURSELF, send me some emails of 1960s West Coast musos, producers, sound engineers, folk club officionados ... as I requested in my opening paragraphs of this thread before the children got let loose. That's all you had to do to gain my respect.

Leave it up or pull it down. I truly don't give a f**k about you people.

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To: JP Folks <justplainnotes@gmail.com>
Sat, Oct 5, 2024, 12:45 AM.
From: Swami B. Saraswati

Hi Folks!

I want to ask if your forum would be an appropriate place to post the following item. I don't know your word limits or the user's likelihood to engage with my folk music research. If not suitable, could you please steer me to any other good places to post.

Thanks in advance.

Swami B. Saraswati.

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From: JP Folks <justplainnotes@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2024 11:39:42 pm
To: Swami O. Saraswati

Swami,

That is quite a tale. I know a few people still living from that era on the west coast. Can you give me a current link to the song, and a paragraph or two of the most important facts that summarize the song and research? The above is a lot to ask people to read who were around back then.

If you would like to sign up and post this on our message board, give me your desired user name, preferred email and a password you want to use to initially log in on our message board.

There is no (rational) limit to text there, but having a summary at the top is the best way to get help. They can then decide to read further then offer their help.

Our registration system is broken at the moment but I can help you manually.

Brian
Brian Austin Whitney
Founder/CEO
Just Plain Folks Music Organization

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On Wed, Dec 25, 2024, 7:58 PM Swami B. Saraswati wrote:

Hey Brian. Thanks for your reply. Will reply soon.

I did post to SF Folk Club but got zero feedback. No 80, 70, 60 year oldies there!

Happy Christmas. Back soon.

Swami.


From: JP Folks <justplainnotes@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2025 4:40:41 pm
To: Swami O. Saraswati
Subject: Re: Mystery Song

Swami, 

Our site has been around since the dawn of the internet. We have mostly 50+ users at this point. You'd  be perfect. We are 100% free, just people having fun making music! 

Brian

Thanks,

You just proved my point. You know so little about me that you just keep digging your hole deeper. At the end of each year, I go back through all accounts to see if any emails were missed. I found a couple, one was yours. It was in our SPAM folder which I usually check about once every month or two because it is rare anything valid is there. But due to health issues, I had not been able to check it since the end of summer. I spent over an hour: reading, then replying, reading your response, then getting you registered manually and letting you know.

So where is the lie? Perhaps you have more free time to spend, but I do not. I went out of my way to pluck you out of SPAM and correspond and then due to the unresolved tech issue, I had to go into coding to add you account. I doubt you could do it faster, unless maybe you are a high level programmer which I am not. So again, you're the guy who attacked me for telling the truth about who I am, what my experience is, and then offering you my thoughts on the age and possible source. Since you haven't found the origin, you have ZERO proof I am not exactly correct. You have zero EVIDENCE showing dates or locations and you called a rock band song a "folk" song of an era where most folk music wasn't even electric. That is not a folk song in any traditional sense. I think you are barking up the wrong trees. I don't care if you disagree, I already knew your opinion. What is your long set of experience that surpasses mine? Have you heard more music? No. Have you seen more live performances? No. Have you toured 39 countries and met and performed with and presented artists in those places? No. Have you overseen the largest music awards programs ever conducted in world history? No. So why is your opinion more valid than mine? There is only 1 way, and I brought that way up. You would be more valid if, and only if, you already knew the source before you came here. That would mean either you were the original poster, or it was music you were involved in in the first place. If that WERE true, then you are simply trolling people for attention. But it still isn't a folk song. It is not in a 60s style, and really nothing ties it to the 70s either. Most studios had better quality and only rich kids or adults or pros had recording gear pre-1980s. And those people on that recording were not pros. So either hobbyist adults, kids or someone doing a quick practice copy of a song for people to easily learn from, likely on a 4 track or bounced from cassette decks.

I am also waiting for you to easily produce all of these people who clearly have heard lots more music than I have. Since you so negatively attacked my claim, it is up to you to support it with proof. I would love to find all these people with more experience to compare notes with. Point them out. If not, you have acknowledged you were in the wrong.

Brian Austin Whitney
Founder
Just Plain Folks
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