Exactly again @ Couchgrouch. It's not chest beating, we're trying to put it back in the face of the people who live here, thrive here, couldn't do it anywhere else but here, but still say stupid things like America commits genocide, and America is a bully, and America is mean.... and that everywhere else is so much better, and those countries are so much nicer etc etc etc.

When a a country who harbors terrorists, captures one of our people, those countries do nothing to set them free. They behead our citizens on TV, and the very country that they are doing this in, does nothing. We have to grin and bear it, the families have to suffer an unimaginable agony.

What do we do if we capture a terrorist? We use tax payers money to give them a trial, we dont say "hey Iraq, we got one of your people, one more barbaric attack on our people and we will behead him. Or give us your oil. or we will behead them."

We have been letting people in forever. Illegal and legal. Some of these folks work at McDonald's and other places, and dont even have a real social security number.

When there is a natural disaster, who steps up and flips the bill?

Where was all the support for our tragedies? It's laughable, but during 9-11 and Katrina and others, some countries sent us things like "one" ambulance, canned corn, and other BS.

I dont actually have a problem with people coming here. We are all immigrants, and some families just want to make enough money to eat. But I do agree with Trump in that if you come here and commit a violent crime, you're gone.

It's not patriotism, there are many things wrong with our country. And im not against standing up for what you perceive is right. But it's the best system in the world, and please do not debate me on this. Trump is a boob, i'm not defending him as a person, and my "'patriotism" is not about agreeing with everything he says or the government says.

Im just tired of people complaining about everything. Go somewhere else and then see what you have to complain about.

Dont forget some countries cut off an hand or a limb for stealing. And they may cut off both for drunk driving.

What do we do? We allow the person to choose what they'd like. A heavier fine or a lesser period of time without a license. I've seen it first hand in a court room.

We are far and above nice here.

Last edited by Fdemetrio; 09/27/18 12:40 PM.