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#893085 - 04/17/11 08:26 PM Blazetrak My Experience *****  
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Blazetrak My Experience

Ok folks.. I donít know if I am being brave or foolish here.. lol

I know that lots are fed up with the whole Blazetrak thing, but as I took the time to write all this I thought I should post it.

Please be gentle with me until 2 in the afternoon, after I have taken my blood pressure tablets..lol

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I have been watching the topic about Blazetrak rage on and on and because of the emotive responses that have been going back and forth, I have been reluctant to add my experience to that pot.

That post is so long and so intense that I thought this new topic about my experience with Blazetrack
would be better.

I know that for some I will be seen as an idiot, and from other a gullible fool and maybe from 1 or 2 as someone who believes enough in what they have, to take a chance, and see what happens.

I have in the past joined Taxi $200 and spent money on submissions. I have joined NSSA and spent money with them $150. I have to be honest and say that IMO I got nothing in return.
Sure maybe I am not just good enough with my writing, so I donít blame them.

While each of these places and others as well have members who are at the top of the food chain (so to speak) both in experience and skill, there are many many 1000s who join, pay the fee and then quietly disappear.

Remember folks, no one offers money back.

So as usual I paid my money and I took my chances.

(No one ever says if your stuff is crap, donít join) and every one has their carrots to dangle and they all have the Ďwe offer advice and mentoring spielí.

I have friends who have set up Ďshowcasesí and invited industry professionals along, and no one turned up.

So this poor singer songwriter plays in a venue that they paid for, and provides drinks to all the friends and family and fans who were invited and is let down.

How do you recover from that?.

I was compare in a songwriterís venue in the heart of London (Ronnie Scotts) where groups and singers
have travelled up to 200 miles to appear, because loads of A&R have promised to be there.Often the A&R (professionals) didnít turn up, or were more interested in using up the bar tag that they had because thatís what the demanded in order to be there.

I asked one A&R guy, how many he had signed in his 20 year career and he said, none. His actual answer was, ĎI canít get the sack for not signing, only for signing the wrong personí.

I have seen a great singer travel 150 miles with her mum and dad, book into a hotel at London Prices, so as to perform for 2 top Sony A&R who promised to be there.

They sent the secretary instead to report back.

You all know what it costs to have professional demos made, and we all know that you need professional demos to even think about pitching songs. (except maybe some very extreme cases). And then itís a million to 1 shot.

A singer or band or group can go to all the places where industry professionals hang out (or report to hang out) and if the can get a gig, showcase themselves. Maybe someone will be impressed and contact is made.

After all, making contacts is what itís is all about.

I have lost count of the number of times, on this and other sites, where I am told that networking is the way.

Get a relationship going with someone who can move you along. Maybe not today or tomorrow or next week, but at sometime in the future, they may think of you for a particular reason.

One things for sure, lock yourself and your songs in a room, and no one will know about you.

I know that lots here and elsewhere see us lyric only people as bottom of the food chain, and that may be so (I donít want a debate on it, thatís been done to death on the forums already), however, I do get a lot of people tell me that they love my lyrics and enjoy them. (that for me is a success every time).

As we all know, Its impossible to sell lyrics only, and I believe illegal as well (I could be wrong there), so if I
believe that I write good lyrics and that others like them as well, and I want to at least try to get them to a bigger audience, then I have to put music to them and add a singer to the mix as well.

AND IT HAS TO BE PROFESSIONALÖ.or least that what I'm told.

That is why I spend money at demo studios and most times I am satisfied with the results. No demo studio offers money back if I donít like what they do, except as far as I know, Mike Caro, who says that if you donít like the results, keep the song and donít pay. And that is not just waffle, he means it.

I have used a few studios, going back 20 years, when I didnít write county songs at all, and county to me was a day out with the cows. Iím from England in the UK by the way.

My first Nashville demo cost me $500 and the 2nd and the 3rd and so on and so on. One where I wanted extra instruments cost me $600. So far probably about $10,000.

I now have an amazing husband/wife team who do my demos for $150 which is pay-as-you-go and they donít have a problem with me retaining all rights.

I just had a demo done with Mike Caro and it cost $400 and I have to say, it was the best money I have spent.
Worth every dollar and then some. Thanks Mike for going the extra mile.

That doesnít mean that those who charged me more scammed me. They did what they said they would do,and me being a grown lad, thought about it and said YES. And I have always been happy with the result and the price.

Enough of my waffling, its all been heard before.. lol.

Back to Blazetrak.

After reading about them way back, when they first appeared in the forums, I made the decision to have a go.
Send some songs in and pay the money.

I thought my songs are good enough for an industry professional to say WOW, where has this writer been hiding, he is fantastic.. lol

YEP, I am a dreamer, and I am not alone.

I had a good look around Blazetrak (this was in the early days) and found maybe 2 or 3 professionals whom I thought would be excited to hear my songs, I know, I knowÖ lol

I canít wait for Big Jim and niteshift to have a go at me.

I have to say that I also looked at some professionals who are not suited to my music and felt that their personal video, that each has as an introduction was laughable.

One chap looks at the camera and saysÖĎhere I am, go on send me your stuff'. that's it.

Luckily he is at the bottom of the price rangeÖ maybe 6 credits.

Those that I was interested in were at or near the top end of the price structure and at the top of food chain
in their category.

The total cost to me for submitting 4 or 5 songs would be the same as one demo that I had made in Nashville.

Ok maybe I did justify the cost to me in a way that many will say itís me just kidding myself, but we all justify what we spend, in one way or another. A new guitar, a new set of drums, a new computer, etc etc, when what we have already is adequate.

If you donít know, each professional on Blazetrak has a Bio with all of their credits and experience, and a personal video, where they tell you what they are looking for. (ok, talk is cheap) but sometimes we have to take others at face value.

And yep, I know the sums. I know what these professionals can making from being with Blazetrak.

They can make a fortune and do nothing. But most of these people, at least the ones I dealt with already have a
fortune, and are still making a fortune from their main profession.

I personally donít think they need the money, and when you consider that they have to go through listening to an awful lot of unsuitable material, and still get in front of that camera and give a PERSONAL response, then I suspect that at times, some will say, why the hell am I doing this, at whatever cost.

So I hoped that they were genuinely looking for that amazing song or songwriter as they claimed in there personal
introduction videos.

The two professionals that I decided to submit myself to were Wally Wilson & Paul Worley.

After a bit of research on the net, I realised that they work together on a daily basis with their Skyville Records
company that they jointly own, so I determined to send them different songs.

Wally Wilson was first and I sent him my first songÖ

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One thing to be aware of when submitting, is that you have a limit of 150 words to

write about the song, so donít waste them. (as well as your bio, which is also limited in size).

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Anyway after 30 days (often it is a last minute response), I got back my appraisal.

I canít show the video responses for copyright reasons and also I feel that would be an infringement on their
personal privacy, but I will put into writing what was said, and the points given as they were directed to me.
Please remember that a lot can be said in a minute on video.

I leave it for each of you to decide if they were true fair responses. Personally I think they all were.

This is the first song I submitted:

ĎWe'll Play The Hand Your Dealtí
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Song 1. Wally Wilson ĎWe'll Play The Hand Your Dealtí
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Category Star Rating out of 5 stars
Lyrics 2
Melody 2
Magic 1
Overall 1.67
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Optional Comments from the Professional
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been there, heard this a thousand zillion times before.......you have talent but ..... be bold.....
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Video response. Time taken: 1min 23sec
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Good Morning Roy, I was looking down here and it says that the hardest job you had, was to think of which song.
You know this is a little bit hard for me too. I must tell you, I think you have talent. If thatís also you playing, you
are a good musician, and the song is a very well written song, but its one Iíve heard zillions of times before.

Thereís nothing about it, that I feel is particularly out of the ordinary.

Having said that, again I think, and I will write this on my notes as well, I believe that what you should do is be a
little bit braver and bolder in making a statement.

Whateverís running inside, and what you think may be a little left of centre, go ahead and put that down.

Thatís what we need here, in Nashville.

We need songwriters that are brave enough to let their own uniqueness come out.

I would like to hear some more stuff at sometime if you have something that is a little bit more unique that way.
But just carry that with you.

ĎRed Lioní used to say, heís a great old songwriter, he used to say, ĎBe Cleverí, and I would add, be bold.

Thanks a lot.
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In this instance, Marcís storyís about listening to dozens of singer/songwriters performing original songs in
Nashville was like listening to the same story over and over came back to haunt me lol.

Heard it before a hundred times is the expression I think that applies.

To me Wally Wilson looked and sounded quite genuine, and as I said we have to judge sometimes on just that.

So I decided to send another song to Wally Wilson that I felt was left to centre as he suggested.

After waiting for 35 days I had no response and Blazetrak refunded my money.

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At that time you got the actual money back but they now use a credit system, so that if you donít get a response
from the professional you submitted to, you get Blazetrak credits back to use with someone else.

Personally I find that unacceptable, because I may only find one person whom I want to submit to, and
should that person fail me, credits to me are no good at all.

Sure I can waste those credits on unsuitable professionals, but for me, that is not getting my cash back.

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Because I had no response from Wally Wilson on my second song, I decided to send that one to Paul Worley.

I submitted my song about the Kentucky Tragedy of 1825.

The 'Kentucky Tragedy' of 1825

The true story of Anna Cooke and Jeroboam Beauchamp.

Below is the appraisal that I got back Just before the 30 days ran out.

I think it was a fair appraisal, but you decide for yourselves.

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Song 2. Paul Worley 'The Kentucky Tragedy of 1825'
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Category Star Rating out of 5 stars
Lyrics 3
Melody 2
Magic 2
Overall 2.33
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Optional Comments from the Professional
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Hi Roy. This IS an interesting story, but I think you have to put more poetic craft into the lyric.
It seems like you are just reading the story to me out of a history book.

It doesn't help much that it sounds as if none of the musicians were listening to any of the lyrics - just
playing the chord changes.

Go back and re-write this like a folk ballad.

Ever heard of a writer named Billy Edd Wheeler (Reverend Mr Black, Coward of the County, Jackson, Coal Tattoo).
Check him out. Good luck!!!
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Video response. Time taken: 1min 20sec
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Hey Roy and Helen, nice to meet you. I love songs like this that are great stories.

Whether they are made up or are true. Itís probably more interesting that there is some truth behind a lot of them.

A friend of mine, Billy Edd Wheeler, writes in this vain a lot. You may have heard of him, heís an older gentleman,
than I am. LaughÖ

I think that you can read from my notes, that you need to be more poetic, to put more poetry and more of the
craft of ballad singing lyrics to the way you wrote this story.

It seems to me that you wrote this story, but its more for reporting or reading than what you would do as a song writer.
Then again, the demo doesnít help me.

Sounds like you had it made down in Nashville.

The guys are all good players, but I donít think any of them are connected to the song. Maybe they had to hurry through.

Next time, donít bother with so many musicians, just get the thing down with a couple of musicians and let the song
be the thing that does the job or doesnít.

Anyway good luck to you and please send me some more.

Thank you
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Interesting what Paul Worley said above about demo quality.

I found that Paul Worley looked and sounded quite genuine.

So I decided to send another song off to Paul Worley taking into account what had been said on both submissions.

I remembered what everyone keeps telling me, get to know some one and build a relationship.

Yep, I was paying to get my stuff heard, but I do believe in my songs and I thought that by steadily improving
what I submit, I would build some sort of relationship and hopefully open that elusive door.

The third song that I sent was the song that I co-wrote with Glynda about ĎJackson Kellyí.

'Jackson Kelly' Fiddle Player - Before He Died'

Again, below is the appraisal that I got back just before the 30 days ran out.

Again I think it was a fair appraisal, but you decide for yourselves.

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Song 3. Paul Worley 'Jackson Kelly' Fiddle Player Before He Died
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Category Star Rating out of 5 stars
Lyrics 4
Melody 4
Magic 3
Overall 3.67
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Optional Comments from the Professional
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I like this one, Roy. It's a good story, and the lyrics are well crafted. kind of song that Josh Turner
would do.
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Video response. Time taken: 46sec
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Hey Roy and Helen, how you all doing. I really enjoyed this song. I made some good comments.
I like the lyrics to this, I like the story, Itís a good honest country story, and Itís really well written.
Itís the kind of thing that Josh Turner would do.

So I will keep it, and put it in favourite pile, and maybe Iíll have a chance to show it to somebody along the way.

We have a couple of budding young artistes that write story songs like this and they might enjoy it.

This is much much better. I wonder, who does your music, Let me know.

So thank you and itís good to hear from you.

See you soon
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Again I think it was a fair appraisal, but you decide for yourselves.

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The forth song that I sent was the song that I wrote.

Where The Devil Lurked

Again, below is the appraisal that I got back just before the 30 days ran out.

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Song 4. Paul Worley Ď Where The Devil Lurkedí
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Category Star Rating out of 5 stars
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Lyrics 4
Melody 4
Magic 4
Overall 4
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Optional Comments from the Professional
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what an inspiring story, Roy and Helen. It make me want to keep trying to raise myself up from
this mundane life. Thank you for inspiring me with this.
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Video response. Time taken: 41sec
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Hi Roy, Iím being befuddled by technology at the moment, so if you get two responses, but I am
gonna say once again.

Thank you so much, thatís a wonderful story. I donít know where you found it, but Iím gonna Google
ĎJohn Newtoní and learn more.

Thank you once again, thatís very beautifully written and itís lifted me up.

We all need lifting up, and thank you for sharing it and I will share it with my friends, and I appreciate
you sending it to me, and if I can find an artist for it I will do that.

Thank you once again.
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Well folks thatís all I have to say.

Would I submit again.

YES if I had a real killer song, and I mean a top top story.

I felt that both where genuine and was looking for that something special.

You make up your own minds.

Ps. I wonder who Paul Worley lists as his friends whom he shared my song with.

God Bless Roy and Helen




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#893088 - 04/17/11 08:46 PM Re: Blazetrak My Experience [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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Thanks for sharing your experiences with us -- it was a very interesting read (and I re-listened to the songs while I was going along).

Now it was interesting what he said about demo #1 -- just have fewer instruments. I think this was because a) he didn't feel the musicians "connected" to the tune and b) this was a "critique" and not a pitch.
It's funny, demo #1 "sounded" the best, but yea the story is a common theme.

I would have been happy with the critiques on songs "Jackson Kelly" and "Where The Devil Lurked"

Kevin

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#893089 - 04/17/11 08:50 PM Re: Blazetrak My Experience [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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Roy I will not laugh at you nor will I say "see I told you so". I will just say put it down to experience. I hope you have learned from all this.....I must say I am surprised that it took four attempts for the penny to drop. I suspect that this is a typical reply......a minute or so of thanks but no thanks.......no in depth autopsy or dissection... no really useful tips on how to improve and NO RECORD CONTRACT.

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Roy,

Thanks for sharing..I think they were genuine reviews. They delivered what they promised.:}

Miz Petra



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#893093 - 04/17/11 09:43 PM Re: Blazetrak My Experience [Re: BIG JIM MERRILEES]  
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They do what they say...they introduce you (for money) to the pro of your choice. He then gives you a short video critique.
But I have grave doubts about the ethics and the worthiness of the service provided. It looks to me like a paid critique service and probably a poor one at that.
I have also like you grave doubts about the buying credits issue and then only a refund of credits if you do not get the pro you specifically want.....any reputable company will give a customer their money back if they have not fulfilled their part of the bargain or if the customer is unhappy with the service provided. This credit refund system rather than a pre set returnable fee is a classic way of getting your money and holding onto it. Very unethical.
Can I ask....were you told which pro was looking for talent and if so did what specicifc details and criteria were given about the kind of submissions that specific pro was looking for. I watched a vid where the Blazetrak guy went to great lengths to say that the pros signed by them were actively looking for people for contracts or had projects with top singers open that they wanted material for. They were helping to match people up to this need. This sounded BS to me JUST an extra carrot used to hook people in.
I have not heard or seen anything positive from anyone who has actually used them. The only thing I have seen is promo vids etc where people say it looks or sounds like a good idea or explain the theory of how the scam er sorry scheme works. I would be interested to see some proper testimoinial that have been independantly validated. I would also like to see one of the vid replies....I mean a proper one sent to a bona fide customer rather than a tailored or doctored one used for promo purposes.

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Hi Roy:

Thanks for having the courage to share this chapter of your songwriting story with us. It has a familiar ring to it. Most of us (songwriters) tend to be dreamers and each little "gem" of a song we create becomes our child of sorts. Naturally, we are eager for the world to hear our creation. The problem arises when so many songs are being "born" every hour... the ears of those who count are saturated. In desperation, we sometimes believe in our work so highly, we are willing to pay in order to have a shot at success.

In my humble opinion... the odds against all of us are staggering and only a few, if any, will ever darken the doors of the powers behind the music industry.

I admire your courage for telling your story. Thank Heaven, after enduring the expense and embarrassment of submitting often rejected songs... I finally made a conscious decision to simply enjoy my song creating process and learn to be my own judge and jury regarding my work. To that end, I post a few of my songs at free websites where at least minimal feedback can be obtained.

There is always the hope that "someone who counts" will hear one of my songs and get it into the hands of someone capable of carrying it to the charts. The awful reality is that it will probably never happen. Songwriting is a lonely profession (or avocation in my case) and requires courage and tenacity.

Thanks again for sharing this with us.

Regards,

Dave

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There is an old saying that if something looks a bit fishy and it smells a bit fishy and it tastes a bit fishy then it probably is a bit fishy.

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Roy: OK, to be blunt -- your experience with Blazetrak pushes me more towards the Big Jim camp than the Gregory camp. (No offense to Gregory is intended by that.)

Sorry Roy, I think I have been critical of your "put your lyrics to music" demos in the past and I think getting four or five expensive critiques from BlazeTrak is just an extension of that. But, if it makes you feel good and you can afford it -- I say do whatever you want.

Unfortunately, I think the blazetrak model will just prey upon too many novices to ever really rise to a legitimate status.

Kevin



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This is so sad,Roy and Helen i feel for you.Your post is undisputable proof this Blazetrack is a Scam,tho' well disguised,with smoke,mirrors & a few big names thrown into the mix,to put the hopeful songwriter off the scent.It may work for some writers as a "stroke my ego" excercise,but to me,that is about the total sum limit of this organisation,It is a new slant on an old stroke,you really have a much better chance of climbing Mount Everest with a toothpick,as getting a "result" with this mob,and the more submissions you send in,the old "sweet talk" seems to get more thicker,with utterly vague references,and bait inducing semi-promises..it has the potential to be on the same level as snake oil salesmen,if not lower..Terry..

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Roy,

I would appreciate it if you would correct the lies you've told about TAXI at the top. It sickens me that you are lying about honest people and supporting the crap you are supporting here.

Taxi DOES offer refunds. Both I (just ask Jody Whitesides) and TAXI have in fact told many people not to join TAXI because they would not benefit. And it's also a lie to say TAXI offered nothing of benefit to you. The fact is you chose not to benefit from them. They help inform and teach people what it takes to make the kind of music to take advantage of commerical opportunities. Just because you didn't go to their free music conference or watch their free weekly video lessons from their staff and guest speakers or listen to the critiques they offer which guide your towards (and for far less money) actually solving the problems and fixing the errors that make what you do non commercially viable. It's YOUR choice not to benefit, not their fault.

Next, the advice (like you don't need to spend lots of money on demos for songs that aren't ready) is given out daily here by nearly everyone with a clue for FREE. I've long advocated for a guitar/vocal or piano/vocal with a really strong voice being enough for demo, especially from unproven writers still learning their craft. You've ignored that advice for the year and a half you've been here, but now because it comes at the end of a high priced worthless critique that says nothing else of value (except to your vanity) just shows how unready you are to actually improve and succeed.

Do NOT try to drag more people into your own misguided fantasy world Roy, not when it costs them serious money. You might have money to throw around, but most do not. Even when your own post clearly demonstrates just how awful this service is, you actually find it encouraging you to keep going.

Is it surprising that when you proved you were quite a "mark" (i.e. someone with money eager to keep getting scammed) that the critique numbers went up each time so you felt closer and closer to getting that deal if only you can... say it with me gang: KEEP GIVING THEM MONEY.

And when they didn't give you a critique from the person you paid for, did they refund your money? Nope.. just "credits" which is NOT A REFUND. That is a bait and switch at best. But STILL you don't get it.

This is where most people would say you are a danger to yourself and others Roy. You'll keep wasting YOUR money in a state of delusion, but you're actually trying to attract OTHERS to do the same, or you wouldn't have posted this.

But... it's going to stop. Right now. If that causes you or others to get mad and go elsewhere, so be it. No more setting up entry level people who visit here for advice and help to waste their money. Not on my site anyway.

Brian


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To anyone who finds this post: If this doesn't convince you NOT to do business with the company Roy describes, PLEASE do yourself a favor and spend some time learning more about he business. Go to a library (free) and pick up a copy of books written by Braheny, Luboffs, Blume and others and read them cover to cover carefully (it's YOUR career at stake right?). Then ask everyone on every unbiased site you can find about them. Then ask yourself if the things exposed here sound like good reasons to pause and keep your money or not?

After that, do what you want. We've helped all we can.

Brian


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