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#780810 - 12/22/09 07:50 PM Re: Top 100 Pop songs of 1967 [Re: Jack Swain]  
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This is my song was a huge hit for Petula Clark.
It became Harry Secombe's signature song.
Many others have also recorded it including Sinatra, Engelbert Humperdinck, Andy Williams, Percy Faith and Bobby Hendricks.

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Yes Jack, Neil diamond wrote "I'm a Believer" as well as "A Little Bit You, A Little Bit Me". Carole King & Gerry Goffin wrote "Pleasant Valley Sunday", and Harry Nilsson wrote "Cuddly Toy".

Some of the session musicians involved over the years included The Wrecking Crew, Neil Young, and an occasional Byrd.

The Monkees ended up being a vehicle for some great songs and some great recordings. Boyce and Hart wrote a lot of the memorable ones that helped define the 60's...I LOVE "Valleri" and "I'm Not Your Steppin Stone"! Great band.

"Daydream Believer"...is it dated? seems like it keeps coming out as a hit for new artists every five years or so. Paul Westerberg of The Replacements always plays that one.

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Daydream Believer is sung nearly every week by fans at the local football stadium. They have turned it into a fotball song and made up their own down to earth version containing rude lyrics which are being constantly updated and amended....I won't bore you or embarrass myself by telling you what they actually sing. LOL

#780871 - 12/23/09 01:01 AM Re: Top 100 Pop songs of 1967 [Re: BIG JIM MERRILEES]  
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The Sixties were a magic time for music...The musical talent on both sides of the pond was awesome...but just as a wee diversion on this thread,"The Green Green Grass of Home",a massive hit for Tom Jones in '67,was originally offered to P.J.Proby..he was quoted as saying the song was "utter rubbish"..so TJ recorded it,any of you guys know of any other songs which were "knocked back" by any artist,and then recorded by another,which proved to be a massive hit?

#780875 - 12/23/09 01:23 AM Re: Top 100 Pop songs of 1967 [Re: Terry Moore]  
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The Monkees rejected "Sugar Sugar"...but The Archies got famous with it...and Bob Marley and the Wailers covered it.

The Beatles rejected "How Do You Do It" in favor of their own "Love Me Do", which allowed Gerry and the Pacemakers a big hit.

#780969 - 12/23/09 04:25 PM Re: Top 100 Pop songs of 1967 [Re: Mark Kaufman]  
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This has been a very interesting thread.
It started as a little trip into yesteryear's 1967 top 100 chart and evolved into a discussion about the merits of different decades of music.
Mike Caro, Mr. music Encyclopedia, has again shared his wealth of knowledge with us. Thanks Mike. I cannot disagree with anything you had to say about the 70's, or any other era for that matter.
But I got to thinkin' on this because it bothered me that Mike said the only people that hated disco were non musicians. I was a little offended by that. For one thing I never said I hated Disco. Not liking something is a far cry from hating it. The only music I would say I hate is the vulgar RAP that relied on vulgar, hateful, exploitative lyrics as a shock mechanism to sell the stuff.
Mostly I listen to all kinds of music. Heck, 1977's Saturday Night Fever was one of my favorite movies. It was DISCO.
I even danced a little disco myself. (yoo hoo! Alan)

I concluded this.
I am a carpenter. I work with wood. One of my most Challenging jobs was restoring a Bar in a club a few years ago. When doing the job I learned that Del Shannon had played the club many years ago. I was restoring a bar that Del Shannon sat at. The Bar had water damage and damage from 75 odd years of drinks, food, cigarettes, fights, etc. They brought me a big pile of 1"x12" oak planks and I hand made all the parts. I was pretty proud of it when I got done.
One thing I worried about was what other carpenters would think of the finished product. I had already been praised by other people about the job I did. The loved it, thought I did a wonderful job. But would another craftsman?
I know that I always looked at other's work with a critical eye and really appreciated good craftsmanship. I always marveled at fine furniture craftsmanship and inlays. What a really skilled craftsman could do with wood.
But you know, I didn't wonder what Del Shannon would think of it. He wasn't a Carpenter. He was a Musician.

What does this mean to me? Well it makes me see Mike Caro's comment in a different light.
As a musician, artist, craftsman of music Mike sees the music of the 70's from a different perspective than a person like me. I am not a musician. I have not spent my whole life in the pursuit of music. I spent my life as a carpenter. And I hope with as much passion as Mike. It was what I did for hours every day for a very long time.
I was a listener. I heard the music. I didn't hear the bass line, or the skill of the guitar riff. When I listened to Black Sabbath, Yes Mike I did, I heard the whole song. I didn't have a clue who the bass player was or who the lead guitar player was. I just knew it was Black Sabbath.

So to look back at 1967 and see all those wonderful songs is a look into my past. Certain songs bring back memories of what I might have been doing when I heard the song. The music of the 50's and 60's will always be the best in my mind. I can't help it. It had such an emotional impact on me it will be with me forever. My formative years, My first love, Losing my Virginity in the back seat of my 1954 Chevy convertible, The Vietnam war, JFK, MLK, RFK, Kent State, The Chicago Convention, My God the memories with those songs are incredible. I first heard the Beatles in Germany where I was stationed in the Army.
But if I think about the 70's and 80's It is a different story. It was a terrible time in my life. My daughter died, my son died, Divorce, Drinking, drugs, Doing things I am only ashamed of now, an awful time of my life when I became a person I can only think of as an a$$hole. Maybe I remember the music that way too.
I cannot look at the music from a technical view. I didn't hear it from a technical view. I heard it as a teenager with raging hormones and the way the music made me feel is all I cared about.
I always wanted to play guitar, create music, but I never did. I was too busy being a Carpenter and listening to the great music made by others.

So thanks Mike Caro. You have given me a new perspective on Music. I can now look at music from different era's from a different perspective. I think I have already begun doing that since I started dabbling in Guitar playing, writing songs, and learning about recording. And yes I dabble. It is not with the passion that you have.
But I think I will still always be just a Carpenter. Heck I just finished the drywall in my new project studio (that's what I call it but it is really a man cave) and am going to the store today to by the trim and flooring. And I have done every aspect of the job myself. Because I have the skill. I am a Carpenter.

But I still remember the 70's as DISCO smile


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#780977 - 12/23/09 04:47 PM Re: Top 100 Pop songs of 1967 [Re: Bill Robinson]  
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Bill,

I've stayed out of this until now. But when I read your post above, thought I'd comment.

Great Post!!! Great analogy with the bar renovation. Of all the non-MP3, non-Lyric posts I've read on JPF, this might be the most rewarding and best post I've read in quite a long time. Well done, my friend!

Alan

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Yes, Bill has opened up a craftsman window into his soul for all of us to see. ... and it was a well crafted stream of thoughts that even del shannon would have appreciated. You might be a carpenter, but you have a writers soul.

Hmmm, at this time of year I remember another guy who was carpenter.

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Music means millions of different things to millions of different people,and the more pertinent memories are mainly in your formative years,before marriage,kids,and world weariness takes a grip..Mike Caro's post from his angle (musicianship) was superb,and Bill, your post from your angle (a working carpenter) was sublime..each complementing the era from a different view...but compelling reading both posts...excellent...Terry..

#781011 - 12/23/09 07:42 PM Re: Top 100 Pop songs of 1967 [Re: Bill Robinson]  
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Hi Bill,

Great thread, very classy!

You said:
let's see 70's hmmmm. Gag me with a spoon. Disco smile

I figured you hated or disliked Disco, I don't like the word "hate" either but I will use it in a sentence lol...
I never say "I dislike the fact that... It's just too proper for me lol...

I first off want to apologize to you and Mags and whoever even quietly may have been offended during my rant and that comment. I'm very very on edge lately and it has nothing to do with you guys or even music for that matter.

When I said that, I was thinking more in general than anybody specifically.

When Disco was HUGE Rock fans hated excuse me "disliked" it greatly, they came up with a slogan "Disco Sucks" I mean
"Disco Isn't Good" LOL... I'm just goofin with ya smile

But really, They despised Disco. I was a HUGE ROCK FAN,
But....... I was still a Music Lover and a Musician in body,mind and HEART!

So while my 2,000 Rock friends were cringing at the first note of "Disco Inferno" I grabbed the bass, even though I played guitar at the time and in a ROCK band
I had to figure out that GREAT BASS line.
It was contagious and I had to love it...

I'm not proud to say this, but I kinda hid stuff like that from my friends, not my Band-mate friends but my on the corner ones.
Besides when I was young people gave me an image to kinda live up too. A rock n roll one!

We PACKED every place we played, we were little rock stars around here. I once found out from a close friend that a tough guy was gonna beat me up because he wanted my beautiful girlfriend at the time.
But decided against the attempt telling my friend, "He's just too popular and too many people like him. I'm sure I'd have a lot of people after me" smile

I never had the EGO though, because MUSIC humbles me every single day!!!

Listen by the time I hit that showcase for Arista Records at 19
I was gigging for seven years already and playing for eleven.

So back too the point smile I'm actually WRONG in my comment
LOADS of Rock musician friends disliked Disco as well, and ALL OF THEM aren't playing anymore.....

Alot of people and totally understandably so pick up instruments because of a style/genre of music OR to be popular and meet members of the opposite sex.
When I was becoming a man in the 1980's there were POSER'S all around me, I mean all around me.

Music to me meant MORE than any style of it! Yes I had my insane Rock phase. I was as BIG a Led Zeppelin Freak as you could find.
Especially from ages 9 - 16 My room was covered from wall to wall and ceiling with Zep Posters I had two scrapbooks. And of course not only knew EVERY song from every album but the times/song lengths as well... Jimmy Page was and still is the most influential and greatest songwriting guitarist I have ever seen or heard. And he's not a bad lead player or acoustic player as well smile Ya know!

But as a LOVER of music while watching my favorite show of all time "The Odd Couple" I was maybe 9 years old, Roy Clark appeared on the show, I was MESMERIZED!! Grabbed a cassette tape recorder and taped the TV set, then sat and tried to figure out any part I could of what he was playing, then ran right over to my Dad to show him. By the time I was 16 I had a denim jacket on at school with a Jimmy Page button on one side and a Roy Clark button on the other NON of the other kids could understand.

So the point about Disco was this, lets say you and I or anybody were of age and playing music professionally in 1976, If you were not Rock Band,Country Band or whatever band, as a WORKING musician, you would LOVE the fact that there was loads of work in the Disco world.
30 piece bands HIRE a lot more MUSICIANS than a 4 piece rock bands.

Bill I had other professions as well in my life, and I believe a few them of them ruined my body, they were JUST jobs, but through all of them every conceivable hour was spent musically.
I would stay up all night and work in music as well...
The job paid for stuff, as making ORIGINAL music did not! for the unknown..

So you HATE rap huh? lol...

Well now 30 musicians do NOT get hired there so I have no comment. But I like quite a few rap/hip hop songs. I can tell the difference between quality and crap nonsense in that genre too.. But the PRODUCER me, thinks all about it, ya see? I think excuse me "feel" from EVERY angle!

But the BIG reason why I knew George Benson, and Jaco and all other kinds of music was because the 70's let it in my living room every night, You have to use the internet to have that today and that SUCKS! BUt it's better than nothing, to bad You Tube doesn't pay like the labels pay the Jonas Brothers.

The 70's Ruled for that reason alone, I already knew all about Earth Wind & Fire but then I tuned into the Midnight Special and Bang there they were... SMOKING! the daylights out of everybody!
Great music found ME!

Today you can LOVE Carrie Underwood, but She is basically Olivia Newton John of the 70's not quite as big yet, but you get the picture. FINE! They both live on the charts and your radio & TV. It's an even up trade, NOTHING"s changed..

But look back on the 70's and see ALL that's missing TODAY for the public... FORGET the internet please...... I don't want to MAYBE stumble on someone great on the computer.. The MUSIC BUSINESS found them for me and put them in my living room!!!

What a concept? for a business involving MUSIC to do. leaves me and many who CARE to believe, musically deprived people are running it.

All they feed us today BIG TIME is the Olivia's, etc.. Donnie Osmonds, Partrige Family, Tina Turner, of the past... Fine.

They have abandoned GREAT music that could and would be popular.
All I'm saying is it's around to the best degree it can be, it HAS all been done before but still...

They didn't exclude it in the 60's and especially the 70's

Glad I helped you Bill more than hurt,Some people are tough and I can't be too sweet to drive a point through lol..
Hit em then hug em smile LOL

Peace Bro

Merry Christmas To All


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#781074 - 12/23/09 10:20 PM Re: Top 100 Pop songs of 1967 [Re: Mike Caro Substudio]  
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Sub, I've been listening to oldies radio today and can see where the Disco haters are coming from. For example "Ring My Bell". The song sounds contrived for the dance floor, along with a phony sounding drum machine. The worst. I know that there were others recorded in the name of a fad. "Disco Duck" for example. I don't like these two songs now, 30 years later, just as I didn't like them in the 70's. That's key to the Disco Sucks rebellion. Phony music.

That doesn't take anything away from legitimate musicians of the era who produced their music the way that they chose to make it. That includes R&B artists and band's who's music happened to fit into the Disco craze. Sure, real musicians cashed in during the era and produced songs that can be called "Disco". Rock bands were doing the same thing. Led Zeppelin's "Trampled Under Foot" was being played in Disco's, The Stones "Hot Stuff", Rod Stewart, etc.

People know when the wool is being pulled over their eyes. Hence "Disco Sucks".

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Ben you can take two bad songs from any genre does not mean the whole genre sucks. Like Mike I am a rock fan but I was also into disco. Yes some of it was cheesy.....most genres have their fair share of cheesy songs. There was also some great disco music with great riffs great performance and production. Disco was meant exactly like it says on the tin to dance to. It was not meant to inspire educate or even get emotional it was just great dance music. Like most folk I like a boogy not that I am much of a dancer. I met my wife at a disco. I bet a lot of people can say the same.
The only thing I hated about disco was it killed live music and put a lot of great bands out of live work. Why pay a five piece or more band...when you can pay one kid a fraction of the money just to play records.
Nowadays it is the opposite..... the world has gone really crazy.....why pay a five piece band hundreds when you can spend thousands on a famous DJ.
My son regularily pays obscene amounts of entrance money to get into a club where a guy just plays dum dum dum records. You know what dum dum is? The record goes dum dum dum ad finitum. I do not get it. I might pay that money to see a great band but not to see a guy make a record jump or stick. Hell when any of my prized records stuck it annoyed the hell outta me. LOL

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Originally Posted by BIG JIM MERRILEES
Ben you can take two bad songs from any genre does not mean the whole genre sucks.


I used two songs only as an example. I could list a lot more. I didn't mean to infer that the genre sucks, only using the language of the Disco haters. We actually agree.

You also made my point. The Disco haters will cite those two songs.

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Big Jim. I know what you mean by "Dum, Dum". They play it with blown speakers. No respect for audio equipment. Imagine producing a "song" for someone like that!

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My only issue here is this: while we've been getting our butts handed to us, cranking out pizzas in the last-minute holiday frenzy, the whole time I've had one of the worst possible songs stuck in my head, nonstop: "...disco, disco duck...disco, disco duck...disco, disco duck..."

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#781146 - 12/24/09 02:24 AM Re: Top 100 Pop songs of 1967 [Re: Jack Swain]  
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Fortunately or unfortunately, I know this list because this was top forty the year I bought and played my first guitar in Southern California... and it was the playlist for Boss weekends on KRLA in LA whether we were at the beach in Santa Monica or hanging out on Sunset Blvd. Everyone believes times will never change or their music will never go out of style... and yet it does eventually for better or worse.


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It wasn't until the late 1920's and early 1930's that pop music became popular. Artists like Jimmy Rodgers, Blind Lemon Jefferson , and Rudy Vallee.

Radio was new, and juke boxes came along not long after. People knew who sang and played the songs. Every barrel house had a juke box. Early media at work.

Along comes John Lomax. He discovered songwriters, songs, and bands that people identified with, like Robert Johnson and Leadbelly. That gave early radio a few songs to play along with big band music.

I'm not sure if Lomax had much to do with Robert Johnson's success, but he had a hand in it, he did however manage Leadbelly. These guy's wrote some of the most memorable pop songs of the 20th Century.

Mid 40's, Hank Williams comes along. Pours his heart out with humor and people love it. That's popular, because people identify with the emotion.


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Hi Ben

Yes there were some really annoying disco songs back then. And believe you me I was no fan or lover of Disco. I was a lover of music.
I NEVER danced at a disco, and when it was in it's peek I was only 12 years old. smile I disliked Guido's, they turned my stomach and made me ashamed to be Italian, even though they came in all nationalities.

Fact: Did you know I played at the 2001 Odyssey The club where they did Saturday Night Fever. It was about six years after, and I remembered my band played "Led Boots: by Jeff Beck and "Larks Tongue In Aspic" by King Crimson smile

Since I loved R&B/Soul Music of the times taking to certain songs
that went into the disco genre was easy.
I LOVED "Nights On Broadway" by the Bee Gee's the first time I heard it. I wanted to NOT like them lol, but they were just too INCREDIBLE to not like. My friend and co-producer and song shopper Neil was a DJ back then. Till this day he sits me in his car with the Bose system and plays me club songs disco/songs that are UNREAL that I have even never heard.
It sounds fantastic and it's just really uplifting positive music.

Your so right Ben they cash in on the fad.. The Stones Some Girls album was a good one. I love the album HOT STUFF is on "Black And Blue" The songs Memory Motel & Fool To Cry are on there.
The Stones make everything they did seem natural. Soulful guys!

Big Jim's right the key was DANCING! Remember now the 70's got very progressive in many ways. Lots of Rock music became more sophisticated. Remember in the 30's & 40's those pop artists were DANCE HALL bands smile How cool? The kids wanted to dance! Great musicians like The Benny Goodman Band lets see who played with Benny? Gene Krupa, Lionel Hampton, Harry James. This gets on the radio as well, popular music!

Then in the 50's I think they were DANCING to Rock N Roll :)lol
You had some more in the 60's with MOTOWN..

So the 70's with Hard rock, Art Prog Rock, Southern Rock, Comedy Albums and then with all the many mellower singer songwriters,Croce,Taylor,Chapin,Mclean, and Carly, Carol King, Seal & Croft, Loggins Messina, etc...
People were missing there DANCE music. there get out and cut loose music hence DISCO! makes sense too me.



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Genre's
Yes just about EVERY genre gets ruined by the end, Heavy Metal was in trouble remember? The awesome Black Sabbath started it and I remember watching the likes of Cinderella and a few dozen nauseating man girl bands ruin it.
Grunge started great ended badly...

Anyhow, yeah Ben people got sick of it "disco sucks" go already,
I wish they would do that NOW with the current dominating chart music but it won't go away..

That's another big thing I noticed this decade NOBODY goes away! or stays away anymore too much. Also We make BIG stars out of really nothing, limited artists. I mean not only in music but all over the place, TV etc.. It's like the dumber and more shallow & mindless it is the more popular it is and more money it makes.

Ya know the 50's was a great time for lots of things in America
I really love seeing things from this period, everything was such a BIG DEAL to those kids. A simple Burger,Coke and JukeBox meant a whole lot. The Cars! The dances! lining up at the record store to buy the new 45... And yes the birth of R&R

Yes it started simpler musically in retrospect but BOY was it Electrifying!! smile


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Originally Posted by Mike Caro Substudio
Great musicians like The Benny Goodman Band lets see who played with Benny? Gene Krupa, Lionel Hampton, Harry James. This gets on the radio as well, popular music!


One of my favorite movies is "The Benny Goodman Story" with Steve Allen (Great song writer in his own right). Harry James did a cameo in that movie. Played a hell of a trumpet solo. Will never forget it.

#781162 - 12/24/09 04:52 AM Re: Top 100 Pop songs of 1967 [Re: Mike Caro Substudio]  
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Without Googling anything to confirm this I'll tell you guys what I know about disco in the 1970's Chicago.
I think Disco was developed by the Gay community in New York. It was their club dance music. It spread from there.
In Chicago where I lived it became very popular. As far as I know it spread into the Gay clubs first then into mainstream clubs. It was dance Music.
I really don't remember to many Bands playing it. It was usually a DJ spinning LP's.
In Chicago it started taking over everywhere. The girls loved it because it was so danceable and most guys soon learned to dance Disco too so they could get the girls.
In the 70's I was into the club scene a little myself. I was Married and my wife and I liked to go out once in a while with our friends. ALL the clubs and Bars played Disco then and every one was dancing Disco.
By late 70's a lot of people in Chicago were sick of it. It's all you heard.
You could still hear Popular Music on the radio too but Disco was always there.

People were getting pretty sick of it by the late 70's. Disco Sucks became a slogan. I remember bumper stickers with Disco Sucks.
In 1979 a Chicago DJ named Steve Dahl held a publicity stunt in Cominskey Park in Chicago. He was going to blow up a Crate of disco records during the break between a double header Baseball game.
They expected about 15000 fans to show up. What they got was about 100,000 people showed up. People brought their own Disco Albums and were throwing them like frisbies in the stadium. a few people were even hurt by flying Disco LP's. Dahl rigged a big crate full of LP's with explosives and exploded them on the field. The whole thing turned into a near riot. Screams of Disco Sucks were heard all night long around the stadium.
This backlash against Disco actually succeeded in its demise.
Thing is In the early 70's it was pretty popular but people just got sick of it.


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#781165 - 12/24/09 05:04 AM Re: Top 100 Pop songs of 1967 [Re: ben willis]  
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Originally Posted by ben willis
Originally Posted by Mike Caro Substudio
Great musicians like The Benny Goodman Band lets see who played with Benny? Gene Krupa, Lionel Hampton, Harry James. This gets on the radio as well, popular music!


One of my favorite movies is "The Benny Goodman Story" with Steve Allen (Great song writer in his own right). Harry James did a cameo in that movie. Played a hell of a trumpet solo. Will never forget it.


Ben - Own it and watched it two nights ago.. I get sooo excited & happy when I see movies about talented people succeeding in music, especially great music.

Boy do I love that movie, also own The Glenn Miller Story with Jimmy Stewart. I get chills every time I hear "Moonlight Serenade" Only that movie ends sadly so I stop it before the very end smile

But my favorite of all time is "The Jolson Story" with Larry Parks. I watch it at least 6 times a year.
I also own the sequel "Jolson Sings Again" not as good but still very good.

Hey Steve Allen did do a great job in that film.
I LOVE the part when there at the Big Dance and all the kids STOP dancing! To WATCH! smile
Loved the lingo and the great attitudes of the musicians in that movie.


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#781168 - 12/24/09 05:18 AM Re: Top 100 Pop songs of 1967 [Re: Mike Caro Substudio]  
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Ben

Also just saw Harry James on an extremely funny episode Of I LOve Lucy. Actually it was the Lucy Desi Comedy Hour at that point.
He and Betty Grable appear.

Fred Mertz says the funniest thing in that episode.
He's sitting at the bottom of the stairs with his glasses on waiting for Betty Grable to come down.

He say's "Ethel move out of the way I wanna get a Good Gander at those Gorgeous Grable Gams"

Ethel says " Geez Fred there only legs, what's the matter with mine?

Fred - "Nothing only you got them on upside down" smile

Oh yeah, we own ever season of Lucy show remastered on DVD..
Anyhow he wailed on that as well...



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#781198 - 12/24/09 09:00 AM Re: Top 100 Pop songs of 1967 [Re: ben willis]  
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Originally Posted by ben willis
"Disco Duck" for example. I don't like these two songs now, 30 years later, just as I didn't like them in the 70's. That's key to the Disco Sucks rebellion. Phony music.


Actually, I believe Rick Dees recorded "Disco Duck" as a parody of the fad.


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#781200 - 12/24/09 09:03 AM Re: Top 100 Pop songs of 1967 [Re: BIG JIM MERRILEES]  
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Originally Posted by BIG JIM MERRILEES
I met my wife at a disco. I bet a lot of people can say the same.


It's true. I met Big Jim's wife at a disco. tongue (J/K)

Actually, my wife picked me up at a disco.


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#781201 - 12/24/09 09:06 AM Re: Top 100 Pop songs of 1967 [Re: Bill Robinson]  
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Originally Posted by Bill Robinson
In 1979 a Chicago DJ named Steve Dahl held a publicity stunt in Cominskey Park in Chicago. He was going to blow up a Crate of disco records during the break between a double header Baseball game.
They expected about 15000 fans to show up. What they got was about 100,000 people showed up. People brought their own Disco Albums and were throwing them like frisbies in the stadium. a few people were even hurt by flying Disco LP's. Dahl rigged a big crate full of LP's with explosives and exploded them on the field. The whole thing turned into a near riot. Screams of Disco Sucks were heard all night long around the stadium.


I remember that. They had to postpone the second game of the double header because of the damage to the field.


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#781203 - 12/24/09 09:39 AM Re: Top 100 Pop songs of 1967 [Re: Kevin Edward Rose]  
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Kevin,

Actually, the White Sox had to forfeit the game because the field was unplayable. It wasn't postponed...they just forfeited with a loss. I'm a HUGE baseball fan and somewhat a student of the game. My father played in the minor leagues for several years.

Bill Veek (pronounced like "Veck"), the eccentric owner of the Sox at the time, thought it would be a great promotional stunt when Dahl approached him about it. Well, it got totally out of hand and cost the Sox the second game of the doubleheader.

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Sub, another good bio movie is 1945's "Rhapsody In Blue" with Robert Alda playing George Gershwin. The song was very controversial for the time. People thought Gershwin lost his mind. It was so out of step with the music of the day. Oscar Levant and Al Jolson made cameos playing themselves.

I know how complicated the song is, we played it in high school band. Had a great stadium show.

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I was never a big disco fan but check this video out for a new perspective on the songs!

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#781508 - 12/25/09 06:11 PM Re: Top 100 Pop songs of 1967 [Re: Colin Ward]  
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Since the beginning of time, artists have tried to control art. It has never worked. To take the time necessary to create art at a high level, the artist must be relieved of such duties as providing food, clothing and shelter for, at least, his or her self.

So, the hunters, the soldiers, the church, the king, the government, patron, the sponsor, the client, the public etc. all have provided and will provide for the artist.

The artists generally move toward complexity as they explore technique. Eventually the complexity goes beyond the providers' abilities, understanding or taste. So, there is a shift, a revolution.

Jazz was King. It took over popular music. The jazz got wilder, the technique got faster and finer. Finally, it lost the audience. They turned to either rock and roll or folk. Three chords. The audience couldn't "feel" the jazz like the musicians did, so they turned to something they felt...for whatever reason. Maybe it was the story, or maybe the fact that they thought this was something they could do themselves. Or maybe it was just easier to dance to than bebop. The carpenters took the music back.

It happens in every genre.

Pop music went from Van Halen to Kurtis Blow. Simplified? Heck, there was little or no singing! The musicians howled, fought it. But it didn't stop it. Just like the Beatles took the crown from Frank Sinatra, someone will epitomize post rock pop. And the musicians won't be able to stop it.



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#781523 - 12/25/09 08:34 PM Re: Top 100 Pop songs of 1967 [Re: Kevin Emmrich]  
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Ah...Summer..1967...I was fresh outta College of Wooster, Ohio, with an Art Degree..weeks before joining the Army..or face being drafted.

I'd spent a Spring Break visiting Selma & Montgomery...(My Uncle was head of the Birmingham YMCA back-then)..I'd been in a Peace March (got yelled-at) and a Freedom March (got spit-on) and already knew of the Bigotry that infested America's Bible Belt, firsthand.

The 4 years spent at Wooster..about 50 miles South of Cleveland..had been interesting ones. We got music from the Cleveland stations...WERE..& a buncha other ones. (Interesting how "Ode to Billy Joe"..a Southern Country Song..made the Pop Charts back then, isn't it?) A VERY Mixed Bag...& I think all of us Young Listeners were the beneficiaries of the DJ's picking out The Music.

Drugs were making inroads all over the place...& "California Dreamin'" was the order of the day. Mostly Pot..& Acid. Our "Presbyterian-Affiliated" College outwardly had few to be had...but the more Liberated Kent State was under an hour's drive away. (Note how many "California" Titled Songs made that List.) I remember hearing & buying Beatles' Albums as early as 1964. Paul Revere & The Raiders were giving them a Run for Their Money even in 1967!

"To Sir With Love" by Lulu was Title Song for a BIG Movie with Sidney Poitier...getting R-E-S-P-E-C-T as a Black Authority Figure..for probably the First Time on Celluloid.

Aretha was also "ahead of her time" with that Woman's Lib-sorta-song too, back then.

The Monkees showed, maybe first time ever, that if ya got a Good TV Show about Singers, Albums WILL Sell. (& Jimi Hendrix was their Guitarist on Sessions..prior to his headin' off to London, forming his band..& returning as THE Guitar Superstar..in '68 or so when I first heard him in Viet Nam doin' Purple Haze...then came Woodstock, '69..Awesome Sounds..forever to be copied.)
(Ricky Nelson had also done some TV sellin', via the Ozzie & Harriet Show.)

LOTS of the Music Back Then was patently Subversive. "White Rabbit" was a BIG Drug Song..."I Can See For Miles"...too..as was "8 Miles High"..& "Mellow Yellow" later on. Jefferson Airplane was GOOD at it even with Love Song Titles..."When The Truth is found...To be Lies...& All The Joy within you Dies...Don't You Want Somebody to Love..." We overall hated the Politics of the day..the Unfairness of it all...the Big Brother Aspect of American Society, & yes, at the time, "Pigs" was what most of us referred to the Law Enforcement folks.

The Rolling Stones stayed my Fave "BadBoy Band" of the era...fun to see they topped the Beatles in this survey at the time.

"The Letter" was probably such a HUGE hit because so MANY of us guys were either in Basic Training or heading off to The Paddies. "Soul Man"'s remained a Big Hit thanks to re-release by The Blues Bros. A quick glance at the 100 shows only 7 from Motown/Gordy there..so the British Invasion WAS taking its toll on the profusion of Soul Music of the earlier 60's.

There was still obviously a LOT of "Dance Music" to be had; Harmonies Galore..("Mamas & The Pappas".."The Turtles"..etc-etc.)..& The Tampa Bay Area had one of its 2 Major Hits Ever, with "Snoopy & The Red Baron". (Other one was Bertie Higgin's "Key Largo"..decades-later.)

That Buffalo Springfield hit sorta summed up that era:
"Paranoia strikes me...Into your heart it will creep...Starts when you're always afraid..step outta line, the man comes..& takes you away...(Chorus) You Gotta Stop, Hey, What's That Sound..Everybody Look What's Goin' Down...

The more things change, the more they stay the same...some Frenchman once said. I think we cared more...back then...and we've left our music behind to prove it.

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#781525 - 12/25/09 08:44 PM Re: Top 100 Pop songs of 1967 [Re: Mike Dunbar]  
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Originally Posted by Mike Dunbar
Since the beginning of time, artists have tried to control art. It has never worked. To take the time necessary to create art at a high level, the artist must be relieved of such duties as providing food, clothing and shelter for, at least, his or her self.

So, the hunters, the soldiers, the church, the king, the government, patron, the sponsor, the client, the public etc. all have provided and will provide for the artist.

The artists generally move toward complexity as they explore technique. Eventually the complexity goes beyond the providers' abilities, understanding or taste. So, there is a shift, a revolution.

Jazz was King. It took over popular music. The jazz got wilder, the technique got faster and finer. Finally, it lost the audience. They turned to either rock and roll or folk. Three chords. The audience couldn't "feel" the jazz like the musicians did, so they turned to something they felt...for whatever reason. Maybe it was the story, or maybe the fact that they thought this was something they could do themselves. Or maybe it was just easier to dance to than bebop. The carpenters took the music back.

It happens in every genre.

Pop music went from Van Halen to Kurtis Blow. Simplified? Heck, there was little or no singing! The musicians howled, fought it. But it didn't stop it. Just like the Beatles took the crown from Frank Sinatra, someone will epitomize post rock pop. And the musicians won't be able to stop it.




Ah Mike
So well said my friend.
But now I am wondering;
which is the better music? The jazz that 1 percent of the population, the musicians, could feel or the music that 99 percent of the population, the carpenters, liked to listen too?


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#781533 - 12/25/09 09:49 PM Re: Top 100 Pop songs of 1967 [Re: Bill Robinson]  
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Ah Bill, now you're asking which is better. According to whom?

If you want my opinion, I like the carpenters music better, and I don't mean Karen, though I REALLY loved her voice.

My favorite music is rootsy music, both rough and polished. I like the Band much better than the Eagles, and I like the Eagles much better than the Beatles. My favorite male singer is Ray Charles, my favorite female singer is Patsy Cline. I listen to Ray Price, Townes Van Zandt, Gordon Lightfoot, Flatt and Scruggs, Robert Johnson, the Louvin Brothers, John Prine, and Asleep at the Wheel. My favorite songwriter is Richard Dobson, a relatively unknown Texas songwriter. Next to Richard, I like Michael Peter Smith, a Chicago songwriter that Rolling Stone called the "best songwriter in the English language," though he's known by few people.

Now, those are my favorites, but I like other stuff. I really like Steely Dan and Vivaldi. Also Shao Rong, the Chinese Pipa player, is a favorite of mine. Col. Bruce Hampton and his Aquarium Rescue Unit are always close to my cd player, as well as the best of Poco. Live, my wife and I are season ticket holders of the Nashville Symphony, and we enjoyed Chick Corea and John McLaughlin this past year.

Then there's the music I play. Wonderfully talented people like Joanne Lurgio, Florina Kollegger, Razzy Bailey, Bernadette, Sandi Kay, Dave Leatherman. And, currently, Dave Signs, his wife Beth Travers and I are putting together a trio album called, "The Porch Rockers" and planning to do a European tour with it.

Those and others are my "Hot 100."

Some of them are very popular people, some aren't. If several million people all liked what I like, then this stuff would dominate the charts.

So, that's what I think is better than other stuff I've heard, how about you, Bill what do you think is better?


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#781537 - 12/25/09 10:36 PM Re: Top 100 Pop songs of 1967 [Re: Mike Dunbar]  
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Great post Mike.
I knew there was a reason I liked you.
Ha
A European tour? you going too? That's great.

What music do I like.
My goodness where would I start? Cab Calloway and Benny Goodman has to be in there. I learned to Jitterbug to that music with my Momma in the kitchen in our two room apartment on Chicago's west side.
Slow dancing to the Fleetwoods "Mr. Blue or Richie Valens "Donna" will always be in my heart.
Who can forget Johnny Rivers and Elvis.
The Everly Brothers.
Then the Beatles but I can't help it I liked the Eagles more too.
John Prine, Roy Orbison, and that Texan Radney Foster, Waylon Oh My. such great songwriters.
Marty Robbins. Lord what a voice. I still get chills when I hear him sing Honky Tonk Man. I even think Eastwood's version in the movie was incredible.

But I liked Black Sabbath and other bands from that era.

Mowtown was wonderful. The Supremes.

Once in a while I'll hit the scan button of the stereo when I'm driving and stop on Classical. I don't know a thing about classical music but it's a great listen. Flight of the Valkeries (Wagner?) Love it.

And as much as I hate to admit it the BeeGee's weren't bad either.
How about surf music. The Beach Boys.

I have the complete works of Robert Johnson. I like Johnny Lee Hooker, Buddy Guy, Clapton/Cream so yes I would say I like Blues.

But put on a Chet atkins CD or Travis and I'll sit a spell. Jerry Reed is a fav so is Doc Watson.

I think I like everything except vulgar RAP. But clean rap that has that urban folk feel to the lyrics is a good listen.

Then I get on JPF and Find all these great musicians. Joanne is a favorite listen. I liked a few of them songs by Mike Dunbar. Mamma's Dancing comes to mind. Then I get to laugh when I hear my friend Joe Wrabek singing about duct tape and cornflakes and hubcaps. Or Alan David play guitar.
Kurt Fortmeyer's My Dog Jesus. Good song.
Herbietunes are a good listen. I like his guitar work too.
JPF alone would take another thread.

I could keep going but I think you get the point.




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#781583 - 12/26/09 09:33 AM Re: Top 100 Pop songs of 1967 [Re: Bill Robinson]  
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#781586 - 12/26/09 10:55 AM Re: Top 100 Pop songs of 1967 [Re: Jack Swain]  
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Originally Posted by Jack Swain
Originally Posted by Nigel Quin
A lot of great songs on the list, nice to see a Charlie Chaplin song in there too smile

Really? Could you enlighten me as to which song you are referring?

Also, on a side note, it is true the Boyce and Hart wrote for the Monkees, but I'm A Believer was written by Neil Diamond.
Hi Jack - sorry I missed this earlier but I see your question has been more than adequately answered smile

'Daydream Believer' was written by John Stewart, who later had a big solo hit with a song called 'Gold', which a lot of people thought was Fleetwood Mac (maybe because Nicks and Buckingham were involved) - It must be quite frustrating when people think your greatest solo hit is by someone who never recorded it wink - Sadly JS died last year but left us some great singalong stuff.

This is a good thread, but too many songs to get my head round at the mo. Can we have a smaller list next time please? grin

#781628 - 12/26/09 04:26 PM Re: Top 100 Pop songs of 1967 [Re: Nigel Quin]  
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Midnite,

"Spoon River," the song you quote, is from a play that Michael Smith wrote based on Edgar Lee Masters' "Spoon River Anthology." Our band Redhead recorded it on our self titled album, along with Michael's most recognized song, "The Dutchman." Michael was in the process of producing our second album, all songs by him, when our band split up. He used to join us to play lead guitar quite often. Razzy recently recorded me singing "Spoon River," just for fun at his studio.

Nigel,

Yes, John Stewart wrote "Daydream Believer." He was an original member of the Kingston Trio and wrote, "I'm Going Where the Chilly Winds Don't Blow." His solo album "California Bloodlines" is a gem. I've gotten to see him live, where his shows were magic. A band I was with, Red, White and Blue(grass), had a song in the country top forty that was one of Stewart's best compositions, "July, You're a Woman." He was, in my opinion, truly great. I liked him a lot better than many artists on this thread's title list...and I like most of them just fine.


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