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Hot for Biden?

I was wondering where Biden was in all of this mix. People are going off on how Palin has "disappeared" even though Biden is far more invisible. I know the truth is that no one cares about Biden (on either side) but I felt he should at least get some attention for this following little tidbit. I saw an ad where Obama was slamming McCain saying he had Lobbyists working for him. In my opinion, a valid point to consider. I thought they should also look a little deeper into their own candidates ties with Lobbyists, and perhaps the actual blood relationship of one very high profile one. Want to know what I am talking about? Here's 3 links to different sources, two of which are NOT friendly to Republicans by any stretch and one that clearly is.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/08/27/politics/washingtonpost/main4388540.shtml

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/26/AR2008082603894_pf.html

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obama-gave-bidens-son-34m-via-earmarks

I just thought we should give a little equal time while we're hashing out Palin.

Brian

Yes,
I like Joe Biden more than Obama. He is a pretty good guy and better than Gore or Kerry in my opinion. But dammit first Enron, then Country Wide and now Lehman Brothers. That is the curse of Liberal thinking in Washington these last few years. Pie in the Sky big plans that have fallen flat on their face. Maybe more to come. The Polls seem to be slightly leaning towards McCain lately. McCain is not considered a conservative as much as some may think but probably will be the better choice in the long run.

Now for those Tabloids! Well it can't be all fun and games can it?

Got a lot of friends in Alaska, and, to me, the most interesting thing is that not a single one of the Republicans in this lot can stand her...and some of these folks would likely ordinarily vote for ANYTHING with an (R) after their name!

Looks like the Republicans better hope that Diebold can give 'em the same help they did in 2004...

i can't stand her glasses.

This, boys and girls, is what is commonly referred to as "projection."

I know more dead democrats who'll be voting in this election than live ones.

I kinda like 'em...

I used to think I was a hard nosed right wing conservative republican. This election has really had me taking a good hard look at my political convictions.
As I examine the records of each of the candidates I find myself at odds with a lot of what I am learning. On the surface, in those first days, I was on the Sarah Palin bandwagon. But, digging a little deeper I am pulling back just a little.
I do not believe she has misrepresented herself and most of what I am hearing seems like a typical political witch hunt.

I can't say I am moving left of center. That would be a real departure for me. But, I am starting to look a lot closer at some alternatives.

I can't help but think there must be a better way.
I have dug deep into the issues and the "doctrine" of each of the two major party candidates trying to find something, anything, that will give me a feeling that when I have left this life I will be leaving a better world for my Great Grandson. He is 22 months old. What kind of mess will he inherit.

I have been examining my own life, trying to reconcile myself with who I am, what I have done. What have I contributed to society and this country. Unfortunately I cannot seem to find much to brag about.
If this be the last Presidential Election I vote in I hope I can make it count for something. But given the choices I have in front of me I am not sure my vote will bring us any closer to a better world.

There are so many conflicting reports on each of these candidates I cannot tell fact from fiction.
I had another thread where I was seeking the truth on an issue. It went nowhere. The consensus seems to be there is no truth in politics. It is sad that these are the people we elect to run our country and we do it based on lies, half truths and distortions. Sound bites that are designed to brain wash us into mindlessly following some party line.

I am going to dig out my copy of Atlas Shrugged and read it again. It is kind of like reading Jules Verne when I was a kid. Reading stuff that we thought could never be and look at us now.
I'd like to be investing some energy into writing songs but I have been so distracted by this election and my trips to Nashville I have not done much writing. I do escape into playing guitar though. I find myself playing a bit more lately. I think it is an escape for me. kind of lets me drift into another zone I guess. And I think I am actually learning a little in the process.

I have a few other leads to track down. I'm digging into political contributions to the candidates right now. Trying to figure out where the money is coming from. So far I am not liking much of what I have found. Especially where it concerns Freddie and Fannie and some of the failing financial institutions. Who they contributed to and how much.

OK. That's about it.
Am I hot for Sarah? No.
But I can look.

Mark you crazy man!

That aint Sarah it's Tina Fey..., but of course you knew that didn't you?

Hi, Bill. I have mostly waxed Biblical in the Presidential election this year, intoning "a pox upon both their houses." (Oh, wait--that was Shakespeare.) I don't think Sarah Palin is any better, or any worse, or any more or less clueless, than the rest of 'em. I don't think competence was part of the job announcement (even though it should be).

If it's any comfort (and I doubt it is), we have all gotten what we paid for. That nobody asked us before paying the money doesn't change that we paid for it. I agree, Bill--do the Sherlock Holmes thing and follow the money. I have a feeling the answers will not instill much confidence in either side.

I did not and would not expect either of the Presidential candidates to have an answer to the financial problems. If they were more honest, they'd be doing the FDR thing and saying "Boy, I'm glad I'm not there yet." They are clueless, and I would not expect them to be anything else. Competent financial people tend to be pretty colorless folks, and they don't usually get into public office. The Bush Administration, of course, is "working on it" (you saw those headlines, right?)--only the only solution they've got is to throw money at it--making sure the result includes greater Federal control, of course. If they're wrong, and it doesn't work, I don't think they have any other ideas. They're one-trick ponies.

Tempting to quote the old chinese curse: "May you live in interesting times."

Joe

No wonder u r all losers on this website. Noone is going anywhere musically. It seems that TRULY successful, creative songwriters & musicians are certainly not conservative & certainly can see that Palin is GW with lipstick......we are doomed!!!

Tell that to Toby Keith or Ted Nugent, dim-wit! {And GW WISHES he looked that good in lip-stick!} Regardless, way to endear yourself to us by insulting everyone here from the word "go"! P.S, Take your loser agenda {whatever it is} elsewhere. {Please!}

Wait a sec, I just realized who this is..{Hammer} Sorry, it's late! I'm also sorry I wasted 5 minutes of my limited typing skills on this loser!

Then stop wearing them!

Sarah Palin is a God-bothering menace to society.

She fits right in.

Eh,
Sarah Palin is going to be just fine if they get elected. Who is going to win this race. I now know. My sister-in-law says she won't vote for a woman or black man for prez tells me all I need to know. If she scares you, stay out of the water. Get a job, get a life, be happy!

What do you suggest I do if she doesn't scare me?

shut up anyways, maybe?

I'm still waiting for Palin to explain in her own words, what happened in the troopergate case. It's clear the guy was a scumbag. But I want her to be clear on what she did and what her husband did in her name. I'd like the same from Obama in all his indiscretions of course, but we're not going to get it. But here's an opportunity for Palin to put her actions where her mantra is and talk straight about it all.

But typical politics will intercede and neither will say a word about what they've done unless given no other possible option.. then they'll finesse an answer crafted by party attornies to lie as much as is legally possible.

Brian

Bouyed by the power of prayer while visiting the pro-America parts of the country?

Honestly, no offense but she really is a nutter that should be considered a collective embarassment.

Bit Whys,

If you think believing in religion makes you a nutter, that's fine. But all religion has to suspect disbelief and then take on the mantra of things the non religious find ridiculous. Being more outspoken about the same beliefs shared by all 4 candidates (though I personally haven't heard McCain discuss religion voluntarily as the other 3 have repeatedly) does NOT make you a nutter unless they ALL are. Once you cross over the threshold of religious faith, it's easy for non believers to call you nuts. All religions have tenants and histories that can be made to look silly. It's bigoted to choose to be against one when the others also believe. If you don't like her, that's fine. But calling her religion nuts paints ALL the candidates with the same name. You'll need to use policy positions to make your case instead, or dimiss them all for being religious.

Brian

What makes you so sure I'm not a Christian myself?

I didn't say you weren't. But if you're going to suggest that anyone with a religious faith is crazy, you need to point that same finger at all others, including yourself if that is the case. Religious belief is FULL of things that make non religious people crazy. And there's even MORE bias among one religion or variation of that religion to the other. (I.e. Catholics versus Protestants). If they think the other is bad and they are good, they are crazy hypocrits themselves. Religion if FULL of hypocrisy. I actually appreciate people who follow their religion as closely as possible to what it really IS. If you pick and choose, then for me, it invalidates the entire thing. Either it IS the word of God passed down through man, or it isn't. Picking and choosing is hypocritical as is insulting someone elses equally strange beliefs.

Brian

I never suggested that.

Waal, I'm Still in the UN-Decided Whom to Vote For Category. THOUGHT I was gonna vote for McCain..a fellow Vietnam Vet. (Oh..and I'll grant yas that Politicos Lie..or tell Mis-Truths about the Opposing Candidates..to the point I tune OUT whatever EITHER Side Now wants to spend a Small Fortune in Telling Me on TV.)

But..I've now spent nearly a YEAR trying to get my Social Security Payments. Turned 62 last November..THOUGHT all was well for $731 a month..GOT one check, then NADA the last 9-goin'-on-10 Months. Phone Calls to the 800-Number supposedly got me "Reinstated"..but NADA since the "OK" was supposedly-given. Recent visit (& a Wasted Day-Off) to local SS Office (UN-reachable vis listed Phone Number) got me a Gal to Contact & news that it's STILL gonna "Take Awhile" for SS to verify my Self-Employed Income..[WHY should it..they GOT 2 Tax Returns for last 2 years ALREADY)..& that it might "not be backdated when checks arrive..IF they do.")

Rather than Kiss-Off $6K+..half of which I owe IRS for "Self-Employnent Tax" (Social Security)..I've now contacted Kathy Castor, Democratic Congresswoman for My District.

For me it's become a near-simple choice: IF this Democrat can get me what's been-owed almost a Year Now under a Republican Administration, guess I'm an Obama Voter.

I'd LIKE to see Our Government a bit more-responsive to the Little Guys for a Change. (ME Included, but-of-course.)

Anything else is Mere Rhetoric.

Yours for Better Government,
Stan

BitWhys,

"Bouyed by the power of prayer while visiting the pro-America parts of the country? Honestly, no offense but she really is a nutter that should be considered a collective embarassment." -BitWhys

You said that Sarah Palin was crazy (isn't the word "nutter" the same as "crazy?") for her religious views. That meets the threshold of you suggesting "anyone" with a religious faith is crazy.

Brian

Stan,

That's a legit reason to vote for a party. Make them actually DO something. Keep us posted on what happens.

Brian

nonsense. Not every religious person believes democracy is heaven sent. Palin and her ilk haven't learned a damned thing since Cromwell. That makes them juvenile at best and dangerous in the wrong circumstances.

Personally, I equate praying for the "appointments of rightousness" her crowd longs for with praying for which team wins the world series. Scripturally, my understanding is that there's nothing about being a Christian that prevents anyone from being a good citizen but by the same token there's nothing about it that means you are.

Since being a Christian means being a sinner using it as a calling card to popularity should be her last inclination. Instead she wears it on her sleeve to attract votes. She's a user.

That's your view. But you still suggest her version of Christian belief makes her crazy. You can't have it both ways. The Catholics and Protestants killed each other over their differences of religion. To accept ANY religion as being okay, you must accept all of them. Sure, you can be against certain things, and say you don't like their actions. But you can't say a belief makes you crazy without saying it about ALL the religions who rely on things that are clearly crazy to the non religious. I am just say to be consistent. Many religions are different than yours (even if you have one) and within them carry different beliefs as well. It doesn't make them nutters. It simply makes them religious.

Brian

No. You're missing half the equation. Her religious beliefs make her a menace to society. Couple that with being dimwitted enought to say some parts of the U.S.A. are pro-American, you've got yourself a nutter.

There's clearly views on both sides of this race that feel that people of the opposing party aren't pro American. If you were here in the US, you'd see it.

Brian

That's the thing, isn't it though? Except for the fringes it's all patriotic. The problem about that is history has shown defining the debate in such nationalistic terms as to assume opposing views to be a threat to its existence never works out well.

In an odd sort of way a lot of the political junkies our side of the border welcomed the whole "Joe the Plumber" thing with some relief.

Sarah Palin is a human as the rest of us. Check out: http://www.ourstage.com/music/channel/114-male-singer/DIGWBCZLSNHE-easy-on-the-eyes

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...clothes-cost-Republican-party-92000.html

A bit of surprising wasteful spending feat. Palin... the equivalent of over $100,000 on clothes? Is that really necessary? I hate the way campaigns are run now (this includes Obama's.) Though, I guess in hard economic times, it IS stimulating business.

When Obama raised over 150 million last month alone and will certainly spend it, I think it's pretty laughable to only point out excessive spending on Palin's clothes. In reality, she had to do that or face the wrath of those suggesting she was low rent. The fact she didn't already own ridiculously expensive clothes is actually a plus. The pay for a Governor in Alaska is surprisingly low (much lower than a Senator). If the people screaming about that wasteful spending were honest, they'd be 100 times louder screaming about the 100's of millions wasted by Obama and the Dems to win the Presidency. It's obscene. It proves, without a doubt in my opinion, that money people are buying this election. (I hold Republicans to that same claim.. they do it too). I think we should have strict limits on campaign funds and we should ensure that special interests are not buying someone to pay them back later.

Brian

I do agree with that, which is why I said I hate the way Obama's campaign is being run too. I think it is incredibly excessive on both sides. There are only two reasons why it's not the worst thing in the world though:

1. It's stimulating the economy in a small way. Each campaign has needed to employ a great deal of people who would probably not be employed otherwise. Additionally, any businesses involved with the actual dissemination of advertisements are earning money from all this. Not such a bad thing, in that sense.

2. Some people really aren't interested in politics, but especially with this election, it's hard to escape because of the total media bombardment. In PA, you see a McCain or Obama commercial practically every 5 minutes due to our status as a battleground state. At least all this spent money is going towards informing people, even if that information is often skewed. Better than people shrugging and saying "whatever", then not voting.

Andrew,

You can make that same point about government wasteful spending. It's helping SOMEONE... but is it helping the right someone? The elite media? Ha! Ironically, the overkill on ad spending by the political parties have driven up the costs to other companies who are trying to sell products. That causes them to raise their product prices and the money just comes out of our pockets anyway.

As for people not being interested in voting.. if anyone can't be bothered to vote, I'd rather not have them vote. It means they don't care and therefore their vote can't be based on anything meaningful. Who wants a bunch of unmotivated people deciding how goverment will choose to give out the next batch of handouts?

Brian

Well Andrew...the McCain camp gets the "Worst Timing Award" at my house.
During dinner tonight I read a report about the "$150k" spent on Palin's wardrobe and hair...then I walk down the street and check my mail. In my mailbox is a letter from McCain...it's a form letter from the RNC asking for a campaign donation. I"m guessing they must need a few extra dollars to cover the manicure.

I'd love to see an honest report of how much Obama and his wife have spent on their clothes during the campaign. We'll never see it though because the press would never suggest they did anything wrong in their entire lives.

Brian

I'd love to see a list Obama's campaign donors. Oh wait a minute a large portion of those "Bundled" donations were under $200 and made on anonymous gift cards (Rite Aid, Walmart, etc) with no record of whom or where (what country) they came from so I guess we'll never see that.

Too bad the press spends more time and money on who Sarah Palin slept with in high school or what she spent on a dress than they do investigating this serious threat to our country, our constitution, our future.

So many of us are falling for(in the words of Aldous Huxley) "Newspeak" that is touted as jounalism. Are we that far gone?

One seriously concerned
Uncle Steve

I'm not bothered by the wardrobe stuff - fact is, women's clothes are much more expensive than men's. And I believe women are judged more on their appearance than men. It's donors money anyway. I think it's a non-issue.

Using taxpayers money to fly your children around with you? Maybe, maybe not. Some of her claims about why they accompanied her on a particular trip seem like a stretch but I think many people (probably even myself) are still a bit old-school: They probably wouldn't like it if a guy did that but it doesn't seem so bad (in fact, is maybe even admirable) when a mother does it. It does, I think, put a little dent in her claim to be a reformer.

What is far more bothersome to me is that she doesn't seem capable of saying anything coherent unless she has a script. I don't doubt she's intelligent - but she is not, in my opinion, anywhere close to being knowledgeable enough. Give her a few years and she might be....

As for Obama's donations? Yeah, I'd like to know where they come from too. Fact is though, that only Americans will be voting. It's hard for me to imagine how anyone could be undecided at this point but I suspect that whatever issues are still bouncing around their head, they won't be influenced by additional TV ads. I don't think it's going to be money spent on advertising that makes a difference in this election.

Scott

Scott;

"Fact is though, that only Americans will be voting"

I'm not sure that statement is a fact in states that don't require an ID.

Respectfully
Unc

Wel Des See,
The Stinkin' Press is bitchin' about Sarah's Wardrobe because they don't have anything else on her, Eh? Anything to drive another nail in her coffin. Eh, good luck guys.

Actually Barack is supposed to be fairly frugal with his clothing but I think most men are.
Michelle, well that's a different story.
She shop's at High end stores and most of her clothes are designed by a fashion designers and are probaly originals, or close to it. All top shelf High end fashions.

But that is expected of women. I am sure Cindy McCain wears only top shelf High end designer clothes. It was estimated she was wearing close to $300,000 at the convention.(including Jewelry)

But Palin probably earns less than $75 k per year.
Michelle Obama makes close to $400K and no telling how much Cindy makes.

If they didn't dress Palin as well as Michelle the media would be calling her a Hick and a Country Bumpkin.
And everyone knows it.
Image is everything.

I'm not sure I understand why we should not allow the immediate family to fly places with the Govwernor, or the President. Why would we want the kids left with sitters or Nannies when they should be with their family.
Obviously trips to Disney Land should be out.

The media loves this stuff. Remember Clinton's haircut? It's symbolic of the overspending each party is accusing the other of. It's a red herring. Imagine what both candidates spend on neckties alone!

I don't care about Sarah Palin's wardrobe or how much was spent. I'm more concerned about how she described the VP's job as one who "in charge of the United States Senate." Geez.

How much did this dress cost?

LOL Unc!

I have got to get Photoshop

Scott

Scott;

I can't take credit for this masterpiece (not that I couldn't have done it if I had thought of it) this came to me in an E-mail with no "artist" name attached.

Unc