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Did you read where republicans and democrats ALIKE called this woman a liar.

She's a bubbly, cute and effervescent liar.

Still a liar.

Anyone that votes for this ticket gets what they deserve and to paraphrase H.L. Mencken...

I hope they get it good and hard.

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Originally Posted by Tricia Baker
This is in response to rblight: I can't and will not support someone who believes the rules of life only belong to people like him and all the rest of us can go to Hell. Here are a few examples of his sticking to his principles/ethics:

``Hunter Biden does not lobby and has not lobbied Senator Biden's office,'' Alexander said in an e-mail. ``Our rules are dictated by the Senate ethics bill, and we follow it by the letter.'' Alexander said she knew of no favors done for Hunter Biden's clients.

Hunter Biden couldn't be reached yesterday through Alexander and did not return a message left on his office voicemail. His home phone in Washington is unlisted.

The senator's Web site describes Hunter Biden as a lawyer.

The Obama-Biden campaign had no comment.

Hunter Biden also sits on the board of Amtrak, the passenger railroad whose federal subsidies McCain has often criticized. Joe Biden rides home to Wilmington on Amtrak trains every night after work in the Senate.

Anthrax Contract

Before Hunter Biden was listed in disclosures as working on the Achaogen account, the company announced in October 2006 that it had received a $24.7 million Pentagon contract to work on anthrax-threat mitigation, according to a press release on the company's Web site.

Achaogen paid Biden's firm $20,000 in the final quarter of 2006, according to filings.

By coincidence, the senator's office in Wilmington had an anthrax scare in October 2006 when an aide opened a letter that had a mysterious powder in it. Authorities later determined it wasn't anthrax.

Hunter Biden's lobbying clients also include the University of Scranton and St. Joseph's University in Philadelphia, which paid Biden's firm $80,000 to lobby the House and Senate on matters including defense appropriations. Another of his clients was Regis University in Denver, which paid the firm $80,000 for the same kind of work in the same period.

To contact the reporter on this story: Timothy J. Burger in Washington at tburger2@bloomberg.net .



I can cite you just as many examples of Dick Cheney using his political clout to benefit his company Halliburton, but I will spare you because that has been done to death in the media already.

Most politicians are unethical to a certain extent. The system is set up so that only those willing to kill for office will get into office. There is and will never be purity at the highest levels of government. All you can do is pick someone who basically has a good heart under all that sludge. Biden is that guy, IMHO.


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Sarah Palin is NOT the second coming of Christ and Obama is NOT the messiah. On the other hand, neither of these candidates deserve to be spun into the ground by their political enemies, but such is the way in politics. I see a lot of good things in Sarah Palin, but I see more bad thing and they outweigh the good things, IMHO.

The VP is a more than important concern this election on the GOP side because McCain is old and is much more likely to die in office than is Obama. For that reason, Palin should be a bigger issue than Biden.


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Originally Posted by cozmicslop
Did you read where republicans and democrats ALIKE called this woman a liar.

She's a bubbly, cute and effervescent liar.

Still a liar.

Anyone that votes for this ticket gets what they deserve and to paraphrase H.L. Mencken...

I hope they get it good and hard.


Everybody lies. EVERYBODY. This is all spin. The Republicans will defend her because she wears red; the Democrats will bash her for the same reason. That is how the game is played.




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I disagree.

You lie if you have something to hide. or are ashamed of what you've done.

Or, you are a thief.

Or, a coward.

I don't lie.

I find this comment quite cynical.


Don't project.


That's like saying everyone cheats on their spouse,

Just because YOU do, don't paint everyone else with the same brush.


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McCain('t) is hoping Palin will shoot and gut Obama.


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McCain('t) is hoping Palin will shoot and gut Obama.


Only if she field dresses him.

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Not that anyone cares, but I feel good about this election. Things couldn't possibly be any worse than they are, and if the GOP moves any farther to the right it'll fall off the edge of the Earth. Yessir. What we've got here is a win/win situation: there's nowhere to go but left.


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If both the political left and right get any more extreme it will spell curtains.

I like the ticket with Palin.
I find it funny how the libs question how she might lead being a mayor and then a governor with 5 kids, including a downes baby she cares for (I always considered it genecidle that the libs would find a life like that a burden to take care of, if she had given it up and let the baby die a slow painful death in a garbage heap like Barry would do?) and a 17 year old pregnant daughter.
She obviously persevered and made a difference despite hardships.

You can bet if that had been a Democrat she would be hailed as showing a sign of strength.

I go for the candidate instead of the party.
That has made the contradictions more apperant to me not giving into a party.

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Originally Posted by cozmicslop

I don't lie.


Not ever? I am sorry. I don't believe you. Anyone who says they have never told a lie is, excuse the play on words, a liar.


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Telling a lie is not always a bad thing. It all depends on the intent of the one who lies. If your dog gets run over by a car, and you tell your daughter that it ran away, you are lying, but you are not doing it for an evil, selfish reason. Your intentions are good.


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I never said I never told a lie.

I did to avoid a whupping by my momma when I was a child.

But as a grown man, I've never had to.

If you have to lie to put your game down,

your game is weak.

Interesting that you hold your self and your leaders to such a pitiful standard.


You deserve what you get.

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But, since I'm not running for office, my honesty aint the issue.

Sarah Palin's lies are the issue.


Your Jedi mind tricks wont work on me.

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Originally Posted by cozmicslop
But, since I'm not running for office, my honesty aint the issue.

Sarah Palin's lies are the issue.


Your Jedi mind tricks wont work on me.


Boy, your flame is easy to spark. My point is that the motive behind lying are what should be looked at. Lying to spare others pain is not a bad thing in my book. Lying to advance your own agenda is.

BTW, I am on the side of Obama and Biden!


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Originally Posted by rblight
Originally Posted by cozmicslop
But, since I'm not running for office, my honesty aint the issue.

Sarah Palin's lies are the issue.


Your Jedi mind tricks wont work on me.


Boy, your flame is easy to spark. My point is that the motive behind lying are what should be looked at. Lying to spare others pain is not a bad thing in my book. Lying to advance your own agenda is.

BTW, I am on the side of Obama and Biden!


The reason I don't lie, is that as a grown man, I don't find that I have to. If I have to give someone some bad news, I just man up and do it. If I don't like the way I, or somebody is being treated, I say so. It's cost me in a lot of ways, but at the same time, I can't hold truck with a coward that claims to be honest and blinks because they can't look me in the face while spewing the BS.

Honesty comes with a price.

You can't tell me that a politician can't be honest.

If it costs, it costs.

I'm kind of an idealist. Probably spent too much time idolizing Abe Lincoln. He's a hard standard to live up to. But to me anything less is a cowards way out. I sell cars and Iv'e never ripped the sticker out of the window to make an extra couple of grand off a customer, though it's done all the time. I sell a lot of cars in a tough economy, and right now I'm not making a lot of money.

But, I'm not a liar

And, I'm not a thief.


Why should it be so hard to expect the party that drags GOD and MORALITY out every 4 years to live by the standard I hold myself to every day?

It's pretty pathetic.

There are certain places I wont go.



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Lordy, we're SCREWED royally either way..We're inevitably going the way of the roman empire. Wake me when it's over.


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Originally Posted by cozmicslop
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But, since I'm not running for office, my honesty aint the issue.

Sarah Palin's lies are the issue.


Your Jedi mind tricks wont work on me.


Boy, your flame is easy to spark. My point is that the motive behind lying are what should be looked at. Lying to spare others pain is not a bad thing in my book. Lying to advance your own agenda is.

BTW, I am on the side of Obama and Biden!


The reason I don't lie, is that as a grown man, I don't find that I have to. If I have to give someone some bad news, I just man up and do it. If I don't like the way I, or somebody is being treated, I say so. It's cost me in a lot of ways, but at the same time, I can't hold truck with a coward that claims to be honest and blinks because they can't look me in the face while spewing the BS.

Honesty comes with a price.

You can't tell me that a politician can't be honest.

If it costs, it costs.

I'm kind of an idealist. Probably spent too much time idolizing Abe Lincoln. He's a hard standard to live up to. But to me anything less is a cowards way out. I sell cars and Iv'e never ripped the sticker out of the window to make an extra couple of grand off a customer, though it's done all the time. I sell a lot of cars in a tough economy, and right now I'm not making a lot of money.

But, I'm not a liar

And, I'm not a thief.


Why should it be so hard to expect the party that drags GOD and MORALITY out every 4 years to live by the standard I hold myself to every day?

It's pretty pathetic.

There are certain places I wont go.




OK, try this one on. Assume you are an atheist. You are at the deathbed of a believer and they are terrified of dying. They are looking to be assured that they will be going to Heaven. You don't believe in God or Heaven. They ask you if there is a God. If you answer yes, you are lying (by that I mean telling somebody something that you believe isn't true). If you answer NO, you are a despicable human being. So how would YOU answer this question?


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In the controversy over the US Weekly cover page that used the word "Lies" on it, Jann Wenner, who is staunchly Democratic and his staff at US Weekly admitted that they had zero evidence of any lies that Sarah Palin told. Instead, they said it was in reference to all the lies being told against her. Of course they were covering their ass after creating a tabloid like bogus cover.. but I find it interesting that if there's all these supposed "lies" out there that she's told, that a smart guy like Jann and his staff could come up with a single one of them that could pass real scrutiny to defend themselves. For me, that is very telling about the truth in the typical claims made by those with a vitriolic hatred for anything Republican or Conservative.

Hey Wendell, tell me if Obama and Biden have ever done anything wrong? Or are they perfect? Just curious.

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Good Morning Folks,
I do believe after all the campaigning the American People will make a good choice. I personally want a smaller Government and less taxes. Or at least a hold on what is now in place.

You have a clear choice in this election. More taxes with Obama, less taxes with McCain. Now there is a lot of Mis-Direction by the Liberal Media and to some extent by the Democrats of which may sound good but the proof is in the pudding so to speak.

And like it or not, if the so-called rich are the only ones that have their taxes raised, you will pay for it as well in either higher prices at the retail level or maybe your job.

To give a bit of history, Lyndon Johnson said his social program of medicare would only cost about 9 Billion. Today we have a National Debt of about 10.6 Trillion.


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Lordy, we're SCREWED royally either way..We're inevitably going the way of the roman empire. Wake me when it's over.

Me with Bob

I'm ready to head back to Nashville on Tuesday. Anybody want to get together give me a shout.

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Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney
In the controversy over the US Weekly cover page that used the word "Lies" on it, Jann Wenner, who is staunchly Democratic and his staff at US Weekly admitted that they had zero evidence of any lies that Sarah Palin told.


They must not have looked very hard. grin

From the Associated Press:

"I have championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress," Palin said in her vice presidential campaign debut in Dayton, Ohio. "In fact, I told Congress, I told Congress 'thanks but no thanks' on that Bridge to Nowhere."

"If our state wanted a bridge, I said we'd build it ourselves," she said.

She didn't talk that way when she was running for governor. The Anchorage Daily News quoted her on Oct. 22, 2006, as saying yes, she would continue state funding for the bridge because she wanted swift action on infrastructure projects. "The window is now while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist," she said.


Hey, I'm sure we can find similar things for all four principals in the race. Point is that no one gets that far in politics without doing a few flip flops and then, in the most charitable way of describing it, putting spin on it....

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Hey Scott

It is possible this is true and if so yes she needs to be held accountable... but it's also true that news agencies misquote people... I know this for a fact, because even my dad... (who was never involved in politics) was grossly misquoted by a small town journal about his profession (as a ventriloquist) in regards to his story and how he got started... So excuse me if I don't totally buy the quote as being solidly from the Governer
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Derek, I had a "Zen" moment when you started talking about misquoting a ventriloquist. If a tree falls in the forest...

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hey, we're changing our tune from "I'm Hot for Teacher" to
"Take the Money and Run" ....just havin' fun...mj

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Hey Phil

I almost bust a gut laughing after your comment laugh . I hadn't intended to go there, but when I look back it makes sense... now what is the sound of one hand clapping? (the sound you hear when your audience is more entertaining than you)
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Here is what Palin did in Alaska as far as Earmarks go.

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Palin reduced the state government’s requests for special projects this year to 31 earmarks totaling $198 million. Still, that’s $295 per Alaskan, first among states per-capita; other states got just $34 worth of local projects per person this year, on average, according to Citizens Against Government Waste, a Washington-based watchdog group.
Alaska’s earmark requests to Congress in Palin’s first year in office exceeded $550 million, more than $800 per resident.



Palin reduced the Earmarks to Alaska from $550 Million to $198 Million.
It does not matter why, or how, or what her motive was. It is simple fact that she did. Make of it what you will I guess.

there are rumors that say she lied about that. Says she claimed she reduce them 63% when in fact it was only 23%.
198 million down from 550 million is I think about 64 percent

The other fact that remains is that Earmarks were and are a reality. The Money is there. Any Mayor or Governor who does not try to get as much of the pie for their citizens is not doing his/her job. Why would we knock her for that?
Alaska has a lot of space and not a lot of people. It still needs roads, bridges, and other infrastructure to connect people. Earmarks are how they get those things done.


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Maybe Palin didn't understand what Earmarks are?

Bill Clinton didn't understand what sex was wink
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Well I think they should do away with earmarks. But they need to leave sex alone. smile

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Alaska has a surplus in the budget due to the astronomical rise in oil prices. The fact that Palin turned down some earmarks (regardless of the reasons) is a big plus for her. It is a shame that Congress (and I guess Bush in Iraq) frittered away the surpluses we got under Clinton (and those were, in part, because of the stock market bubble of 1998-2000). Surpluses are can't always be credited to the chief executive, but what is done with those surpluses can be.

I don't know enough about Alaska to intelligently discuss their budget process.

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I'm in complete agreement... I am frustrasted that the Bush adminastration would mislead the American public; however, I don't outrightly blame Bush for this... a lot of the misleading came from Donald Rumsfeld... and Bush trusted Rumsfeld because of Dick Chaney... Unfortunatly the Presidential advisors gave bad advice, but no that doesn't completely let Bush off the hook... As a world leader he needs to be acountable to his mistake... That said I think a lot of the recent administrations have mislead the American public...going back as far as Nixon and probably further... I can't remember one Presidential Cabinet that didn't have some form of conspiracy in my lifetime... So not to make your point irrelevant, but I think anger needs to be spread out to all who choose to run for the office of President, as none I've seen so far have been perfect..
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What it boils down to is this for me: We have a big government. We have professional politicians. The reason they stay in office is to keep their jobs-not to do the right thing for us. It's all about them. They pull strings in order to gain favor with those in power who can do them the most good at election time and to solicit from those people changes that behove them and them alone. If any good for the common/working man comes out of it, it's only by chance. Sarah Palin took office to make a difference in her own life and her family's lives. Bottom line, she knows how to make those changes a reality. Her motives for running are, like she said, to leave this country better than she found it. I believe that.

I just hope that the national government will learn a little something by what happened on a state level in New Orleans last week. Finally, they put the responsibility of people's welfare back into the people's hands. They said if you stay, you're on your own when Gustav hits. Guess what, guys? It worked. People understood what being on their own meant and they acted accordingly. I know that's really going to piss some folks off, but that's ok. I was pleasantly surprised to see that it worked well. Now, let's see some of that kind of thinking on a grander scale. Sarah Palin, I believe, has the balls it takes to make it happen.


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Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney
In the controversy over the US Weekly cover page that used the word "Lies" on it, Jann Wenner, who is staunchly Democratic and his staff at US Weekly admitted that they had zero evidence of any lies that Sarah Palin told. Instead, they said it was in reference to all the lies being told against her. Of course they were covering their ass after creating a tabloid like bogus cover.. but I find it interesting that if there's all these supposed "lies" out there that she's told, that a smart guy like Jann and his staff could come up with a single one of them that could pass real scrutiny to defend themselves. For me, that is very telling about the truth in the typical claims made by those with a vitriolic hatred for anything Republican or Conservative.

Hey Wendell, tell me if Obama and Biden have ever done anything wrong? Or are they perfect? Just curious.

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She lied about the bridge to nowhere. Republicans and democrats in her own state say so.

If you want to defend it, ignore it, or make excuses for it, please be honest about it. State plainly and clearly that you don't care that this reformer tried to take millions of OUR tax dollars to serve a few dozen of HER constituents.

It's OK.

I wont love you any less.

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Tell us EXACTLY how she lied about the Bridge to nowhere. Give us the quotes. Not just the ones that suit you, ALL the quotes. They are a matter of public record so finding them won't be hard.
Then tell us what she actually did with the money she did get.

And what's wrong with wanting to serve your constituents? Isn't that what they are supposed to do?
And if I'm not mistaken I think they were her tax dollars too, and the citizens of Alaska.

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Eh,
If, Barrak Obama, John McCain, Joe Biden, Sarah Palin has/had told any deliberate lies you can count on the fact that it would be all over the Evening News and that Ticket would be Toast as far as this Election goes. I haven't heard of any such thing on the News. Talking Points that might be a bit deceptive sure. But that is Tit for Tat.


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Clinton did not leave any marks on her ear and therefore did not have sex with that woman... smile

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Originally Posted by Bill Robinson
Tell us EXACTLY how she lied about the Bridge to nowhere. Give us the quotes. Not just the ones that suit you, ALL the quotes. They are a matter of public record so finding them won't be hard.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA7WrCipkck
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...-Palin-misled-Republican-supporters.html
http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_...-really-fight-the-bridge-to-nowhere.aspx
http://news.bostonherald.com/news/2...08&srvc=2008campaign&position=12


It's not my job to educate you.

Google it.

If you want to defend a LIAR.

Then that's on you.

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[quote=Bill Robinson
And if I'm not mistaken I think they were her tax dollars too, and the citizens of Alaska. [/quote]

You would spend 230 million dollars to build a bridge to 50 people?

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Sarah Palin is a LIAR

And she'll be revealed.

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Actually based on the quotes given, she didn't lie about anything. She said she turned down the money for the bridge. That is a fact.. she did. She didn't lie. At the very most you could say she changed her mind, or "flip flopped" but when it came down to it, she didn't take the Fed money. What she said is 100% the truth. If you're going to say that changing you mind is a lie, then Obama has one of the longest and most public records of lying ever. Flip flopping is NOT telling a lie. So please show us where she LIED... still waiting..

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Wendell,

Nice how you avoided my question and changed the subject. So I addressed your response, but I still want an answer. Have Obama or Biden made any mistakes or done anything wrong, or are they perfect in your view? If they aren't perfect, let's hear in your own words, what they have done wrong. And don't skip it this time.. answer the question.

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Brian

I don't answer to you.

I'm calling out the lies of the people that would lead your country.

Your obsfucation on a lot of BS isn't mine to deal with.

If you can't defend their lies, Why make me the the subject.


LET ME REPEAT,

I'M NOT RUNNING FOR OFFICE.

Defend the lies of those you support.

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When I was growing up. There were the bullies, the ones that cowered from them them, and the ones that took the beating because no one would stand up for them.

I learned early that that I would rather take the beating than sit back and be the coward.

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You can't bully me.

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But, since I'm not running for office, my honesty aint the issue.

Sarah Palin's lies are the issue.


Your Jedi mind tricks wont work on me.


Boy, your flame is easy to spark. My point is that the motive behind lying are what should be looked at. Lying to spare others pain is not a bad thing in my book. Lying to advance your own agenda is.

BTW, I am on the side of Obama and Biden!


The reason I don't lie, is that as a grown man, I don't find that I have to. If I have to give someone some bad news, I just man up and do it. If I don't like the way I, or somebody is being treated, I say so. It's cost me in a lot of ways, but at the same time, I can't hold truck with a coward that claims to be honest and blinks because they can't look me in the face while spewing the BS.

Honesty comes with a price.

You can't tell me that a politician can't be honest.

If it costs, it costs.

I'm kind of an idealist. Probably spent too much time idolizing Abe Lincoln. He's a hard standard to live up to. But to me anything less is a cowards way out. I sell cars and Iv'e never ripped the sticker out of the window to make an extra couple of grand off a customer, though it's done all the time. I sell a lot of cars in a tough economy, and right now I'm not making a lot of money.

But, I'm not a liar

And, I'm not a thief.


Why should it be so hard to expect the party that drags GOD and MORALITY out every 4 years to live by the standard I hold myself to every day?

It's pretty pathetic.

There are certain places I wont go.




OK, try this one on. Assume you are an atheist. You are at the deathbed of a believer and they are terrified of dying. They are looking to be assured that they will be going to Heaven. You don't believe in God or Heaven. They ask you if there is a God. If you answer yes, you are lying (by that I mean telling somebody something that you believe isn't true). If you answer NO, you are a despicable human being. So how would YOU answer this question?


I find this a silly sack of bullsh*it.

How old are you?

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Hey Cozmic

I don't see that Brian is trying to Bully you friend... He's simply stating that in his examining of the facts he doesn't see that Palin has lied in regards to the bridge... Now if she has lied elsewhere that is a different story... I though agree I am not seeing where she lied... she changed her mind when the money was no longer available, but I don't think she lied about that... Many politicians have changed there minds in response to changes beyond their control... Some say Bush lied when he said "no new taxes" unfortunatly the overroad he veto and were able to pass taxes... for this he became hated, but truthfully he tried to keep his promise... what can a person do when they are not in charge of all the pieces of the puzzle?
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Since I have not said Palin lied or told the truth I have no need to defend myself.
I read all the links provided and other than a lot of She said this or she said that I did not see a single quote by Palin except one sound bite that easily could have been taken out of context. I would like to see a word for word transcript of the conversation.
You have still not provided a single quote by Palin herself that showed she lied.

Even if she was initially in favor of the bridge and later changed her position that does not make her a liar.
A bad administrator? maybe
An ill informed administrator? maybe
An administrator that made a mistake and then corrected it, Probably.

A liar? not from what I can see.

And I am still trying to figure out why anyone thinks those fifty people are worth less than anyone else.
How many people would it take before that bridge was worth building? 100? 1000? 10,000? what is the number?

I fought my local Government trying to get them to reinstate the road that leads into my mothers property. It is a county road that runs through a swamp. The road was taken off the maintenance books years ago. My Parents bought the property at the end of the road. They figured the County would reinstate the road. NO WAY. So my Parents have been paying for the maintenance of the road so they can get to their house. But because it is a county road they cannot keep people from running up and down the road on 4 wheelers and tearing it up.
It has been a loosing battle. The swamp is slowly reclaiming the road and it gets almost impassable at times.
The estimated cost to fix the road...$500,000
I want the County to fix it. They need an earmark fund.


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hey 'slop, i suppose Saint Obama had no idea he was getting such a sweet real estate deal from his mafia buddy in Chi-town? and he thought his militant whacko preacher was a great guy for 20 years too... Confucious say "almost every where you dig you'll find dirt"...

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hey sometimes i say things for the shock value and people's gut reaction...so...what if we keep it simple...
want a bigger government-- vote Obama/Biden...
want less government--vote McCain/Palin

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People. Let's just take a couple deep breaths, shall we?

Can someone fill me in, please?

1) Was money appropriated for a bridge to be built?
2) Was it built?
3) What is the bridge used for?




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Hey Richard

This might answer some of those questions... and raise a few more lol...

Palin and the bridge to nowhere

I find that the site seems biased, but that's only an opinion..
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Something tells me I'm not going to get quite the objectivity I'm looking for from a link entitled, "Palin and the bridge to nowhere".


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