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Brian said:



Exactly, Brian. So, considering that Palin actually has more experience than Obama, the Dem's argument boils down to this:

If McCain wins, we're screwed if he dies. If Obama wins, we're screwed if he doesn't.

That doesn't strike me as the type of argument that'll win an election.

And given McCain's present age, him dying in office is a distinct possibility given all the stress associated with that job. On the other hand, given the racism still in this country, Obama probably has a better chance of being assassinated.

Who?!

Are you serious?
Your entire post was a "knee-jerk reaction...without having all the facts".
Can't you see the irony your post reflects?

You posted huge paragraphs of pure speculation attempting to characterize my methods and means of choosing candidates.
And you did that based on the content of my one brief post.
Do you really think you were working with "all" of the facts?

It appears to me that your post qualifies as an example of the Pot trying to pick a fight with the Kettle.

GJ

Too late.

Midnite

p.s....hot for teacher? Yes, but her hubby would kick my ass.

Unfortunatly yes Bob

Hey Ben... calm my friend calm sit back relax don't get so worked up... Hey Moker sorry this has turned into another political free for all.. lol.. I actually like the way it started.. and no one has yet answered the question... is Palin the gal from hot for teacher?? Well either way it matters not.. she's definitly not bad looking for a vp lol.

To Scott... my friend you've got it figured out...

I say to all who have strong beliefs keep them.. don't lose them or you will lose passion, but as a side note.. Make sure your passion is place in the right place.. be your own person with your own core beliefs and don't be swayed by anyone else's beliefs.. I know I know.. it's hard not to when you see the garbage that stands for honest debate these days, but still it is your...choice

And in the immortal words of the lead singer of the band "Rush" "If you choose to not decide, you still have made a choice"
Derek

Her nickname on her high school basketball team was:

Sarah Barracuda

Biden better watch out - or stay at home for the debates.


Tom

Derek, great quote from the "Rush" song...mj

Hey Moker

Thanks

Free will is one of my favorite "Rush" songs both musically and lyrically... Although I must say I also love Tom Sawyer and the spirit of the radio...

Rush is an awesome band.. I haven't always been a huge fan of thier lead singer, but the music can't be argued with... the bass player was a manaic as well as the drummer and guitarist... though keyboard player was pretty awesome as well.. It's also interesting to note all the periods they went through.. from thier humble beginnings as a rock band through prog rock and synths and then returning to pure rock.... and some pretty cool stuff along the way... listen the bass on Tom sawyer.... man that's just awesome! The syncopation during the breakdown is phenomonal.... uhoh :O I'm changing this thread back to music... sorry all you polticos I'll stand down now
Derek

I've never been into fan clubs. Political talk shows with a partisan agenda remind me of fan clubs. Besides that, they are often designed to denigrate and demonize the opposition. They bore me silly. I already know which issues I want resolved, and in what way. So I only want to know two things about a candidate: what they say they will do, including how they will accomplish it; and have they demonstrated that they are a person who does what they say they will do (and I've never, ever, found a candidate that always does). Once that's determined to my satisfaction, then I vote for the candidate who will do more of the things I want done.

Yes, Palin looks like the gal in the video.

Derek, you do realize that the singer, the bass player and the keyboard player are one in the same, Geddy Lee?

:O

Oh my Kevin I did not :O Thanks freakin amazing!

Thanks for the info... he was also quite the gifted lyricist.. One thing I really like about spirit of the radio... is his claim that even though radio and industry tries to hold it down... inspired artistry still rules the day.. as evidenced by the popularity of the song itself... I'll post the lyrics so people can see what I'm saying...

"The Spirit Of Radio"

Begin the day with a friendly voice
A companion unobtrusive
Plays that song that's so elusive
And the magic music makes your morning mood

Off on your way, hit the open road
There is magic at your fingers
For the Spirit ever lingers
Undemanding contact in your happy solitude

[Chorus:]
Invisible airwaves crackle with life
Bright antennae bristle with the energy
Emotional feedback on timeless wavelength
Bearing a gift beyond price, almost free

All this machinery making modern music
Can still be open hearted
Not so coldly charted
It's really just a question of your honesty, yeah
Your honesty
One likes to believe in the freedom of music
But glittering prizes and endless compromises
Shatter the illusion of integrity

[Chorus]

For the words of the prophets were written on the studio wall
Concert hall
And echoes with the sounds of salesmen

So truthfully there is hope.. even in the Britney Spears christinas aguilera music world we live in... honest integrity driven music can (and does) still thrive
Derek

To be completely honest, I never paid much attention to the lyrics of any Rush songs. It looks like I need to do some research.

Hey Kevin

Actually read Tom Sawyer's lyrics

It's quite the commentary on society and politics..

A modern day warrior
Mean mean stride,
Today's Tom Sawyer
Mean mean pride.

Though his mind is not for rent
Don't put him down as arrogant
His reserve, a quiet defense
Riding out the day's events
The river

What you say about his company
Is what you say about society
Catch the mist, catch the myth
Catch the mystery, catch the drift

The world is, the world is
Love and life are deep
Maybe as his skies are wide

Today's Tom Sawyer
He gets high on you
And the space he invades
He gets by on you

No his mind is not for rent
To any god or government
Always hopeful, yet discontent
He knows changes aren't permanent
But change is

What you say about his company
Is what you say about society
Catch the witness, catch the wit
Catch the spirit, catch the spit

The world is, the world is
Love and life are deep
Maybe as his eyes are wide

Exit the warrior
Today's Tom Sawyer
He gets high on you
And the energy you trade
He gets right on to the friction of the day

This line right here is especially insightful

"He knows changes aren't permanent
But change is"

Yes it did sound like I was talking about you because I used your quote and I apologize. You're a good guy and I should look beyond our differences.
I read Al Franken's book about 10 years ago. He makes no sense. He attempts to be a humorist and falls flat on his face. Compare his book sales to any of Limbaugh's and he dwarfs. I only found him funny once when he played the drunken baggage handler in "Trading Places".

Man, I'm having flashbacks to my freshman year in college, when I saw Rush, the Who, and Kansas in the same week.

I do need to take some time to digest the lyrics.

Oh man.. ya just mention 3 of my favorite all time bands!!!

I loved Wayward son.. Kansas also had some pretty darn meaningful lyrics.. dust in the wind for instance

"Now don't hang on... nothing lasts for ever but the earth and sky... it slips away.. and all your money won't another minute buy" Pretty famous yoda spoken line there lol.. and yet it works in this song better than if spoken in "plain" english. and yet no one ever accuses Kansas of being "lazy writers"

The who?

Well there is just nothing bad to say about this band... so that kinda speaks for itself! I "Won't get fooled again"!

And of course Rush as we've been speaking of

Great late 70s early 80s bands all of them!
Derek

Well except The who lol... late 60s early 70s late 70s and late 80s there lol...

Yeah, I saw them on a couple of their "farewell" tours!

Hey what happened to all the fists and warfare? Did I make this batch of popcorn for nothin'?

So...is McCain really acceptable to conservatives? A few months ago, a lot of Republican posters seemed to despise McCain, saying his policies were more Liberal than the Democrats, especially regarding his immigration policies. As I recall, a lot of people including Rush Limbaugh were actually talking about casting protest votes for Hillary Clinton rather than giving an inch to McCain. So, serious question: what changed?

Hey Mark

Are you asking a rhetorical question??? Do you really mean to say you don't understand what has changed?

Let me elighten you...

Spin doctors will have you believing your grandmother is Hitler riencarnate... That said.. those McCain bashers have to back their party even if they hate their cantitdate.. In this election it's not a matter of who is most popular.. it's a matter of who is less despised.. I've found few people who (from either party) will support their chosen parties cantitdate...However, we all must choose someone unless we decide not to choose... which according to "Rush" (the band not the political pundit) is still a choice...

So what has changed?? Nothing they still hate McCain they just don't want the other side to win... that's the only reason..
Derek

Well, Ben, the only thing that would make me break my promise to give you the last word is if I thought I owed an apology. In assuming that you would never read a book so critical of someone you thought so highly of, I sold you short. I'm sorry about that.

A deal is a deal though and I'll hold up my end. When and where can I tune into Rush's show?

Scott

I listen to Rush often, as I am driving to work at the time his show is on...He DOES give you a perspective that you can't get anywhere else, whether you agree or not Scott. Sometimes he goes too far, but doesn't everyone? He is on from noon to 3 pm EST. I truly believe ALOT of libs DO listen to him...to gain insight to the other side...he even lets them on the show pretty often (although he cuts them off, and then finishes when they can no longer defend themselves)

Good afternoon, ye scalliwags!

Thought I would throw this into the mix; one of the headlines this morning read:

"Analysis Shows McCain Veep Choice Could Hurt, Help"

I would've been happy to tell them that for probably...say.. half the money they spent on afore-mentioned analysis.

Politics are sort of like the weather: if you don't like 'em, just wait a minute !

See ya around the polls,
Beth

Scott, you don't have to do that unless you want to. He is on WFLA AM in Tampa from noon to 3. He most likely won't be on Monday.(Labor day) Ben

VPILF!

That's shameless Bob!

And funny lol and true...
Derek

LMAO Big man....

mmmmmmm.....so more than half of the people are women and only 12.5% are black.

Shrewd move whatever you think of them.

C

HA! yeap.

Get used to saying President Obama

Or perhaps Madame Vice President...

I am simply taking your comment at the face value it was offered. It didn't express specifics that suddenly made you change from the extreme views of McCain and the republican party to the other extreme views of Obama and the democratic party. People usually vote on issues and stances. If you were seriously going to vote for McCain, you must have wanted his likely choices for the Supreme Court for example. You must have preffered his positions on national security and negotiating with terrorist nations. So adding a female VP choice, even if she was 100% unqualified caused you to switch massive world views on how things should be done in US government. This isn't an election where the two candidates are very similar in their positions or approaches. It's a clear left wing versus right wing election. Either candidates VP choice doesn't shift those world views at all for what's going to happen if you elect the party head. But for you it did. Just that quick. That's a classic knee jerk reaction to a minor adjustment to the status quo. Palin is not changing McCains position on anything.. in fact, she's likely simply solidifying where he was already coming from. But that is causing you to switch to an extremely different approach and viewpoint. Classic knee jerk to news you apparently don't like. OR.. as I suggested, you were really just looking for a reason to support the other left wing approach all along. Your choice.

Brian

All I know is, when I first heard McCain's pick, I was completely bewildered (that's a great word somebody used that finally summed up my feelings - stunned is another). I thought, what in the world??? Has he gone mad? But, after reading about her and hearing her speak, I love this lady. A pundit said "she not only supports the NRA, she goes out and shoots Caribou!" How cool is that? She walks the walk on right-to-life, she was a champion basketball player (playing while hurt), she sticks to her convictions, she speaks with conviction, and she is not from Washington. How cool is that? This pick was amazingly inspired. This has made me excited again about McCain. He was my pick over G.W. Bush 8 years ago, because frankly he is better presidential material, but I've been ho hum about him for quite some time. They say a VP pick doesn't usually make much difference, but this one sure does. Plus, this saved the Republican convention. It was going to be boring as heck...I am going to be listening carefully, as I want to see what his plans are, just as I listened to a lot of the Democratic convention.

As far as her possibly being President, one thing people have to remember is the people around the President also make the President. She would not be alone. If McCain surrounds himself with losers, then I'll be worried. She is a warrior, so I think she'd make it, were that to happen.

She is very impressive...

Scott. Don't waste your time. I tried that with one of Rush's books. Even discounting the fact that he's a self-absorbed prick, the hate he gushes is inescapable.

Though a respectful attitude may be admirable, it's a courtesy lost on people who attack you personally only because your opinion differs from theirs. Understand that such tactics are simply the last refuge of an indefensible position, and you'll realize that once debate deteriorates to that point it's best to move on. You needn't defend your position; merely state it. And accept the fact that reason has no effect on unreasonable people.

Since the US was founded to escape tyranny, it seems heretical to support a regime dedicated to spreading it. But that's just my opinion.

Whee...This is gonna be a Fun Election. Mc Cain's picking Palin was a Masterstroke. She's experienced in Local, City AND State Government...so No Problemos with the Experience thing. AND she's the New Hillary, as far as Many a Female Voter's concerned..if Gender is a Consideration..which..obviously it IS this Election-Around..IF anyone Paid Attention to the Applause Hillary Got after her DNC Speech.

Obama's probably kickin' himself for pickin' Biden...but it's a bit too-late. The Female Candidate is now in the Republican Corner.

I like BOTH Pres. Candidates....Obama IS offering True Change...Mc Cain IS offering Experience. Nothing wrong with Either Concept..tho I've got this Gut-Feeling that Russia will "Test" McCain a lot LESS than Obama, if-elected. Georgia on my mind...

What's coming up: I'll vote for the Candidate that makes the Fewest GAFFES in the Upcoming Campaign. I'm tired of the USUAL Nastiness as the Election Day Arrives. Too-Many "Cheap Shots" & Half-Truths, Kiss MY Vote Goodbye.

I lean toward McCain because I, too, am a Viet Vet. The Military is as Important today as it was back in the '60's..& obviously, even more-so..& more-expensively..thanks to 9-11. Obama lacks McC's Background & Experience in Things Military.

HOWEVER, McCain inherits all of the Bush Administration's Sins & Shortcomings, & Our Economy's not been THIS Bad in my 6-Decades-Memory. SO he'd better come up with some Serious Solutions, PRIOR to Election Day,(That make Sense), or I am All FOR some "Change".

For me, it's not REALLY about Running Mates. It's about Running a Clean Campaign and Running a Successful Country.

So...Keep your eyes open to which Candidate talks most about "Them" and which refers to "Us" more-often. We need more Inclusion & less Exclusion in the Corridors of Power.

And, of course, the old "Solutions..not Promises" certainly applies.

It ain't over yet..& there's Plenty Of Time for Major Gaffes ahead.

JMO,
Stan

What no one has mentioned is the possible complications this may cause to future elections... actually complications is the wrong word...

If McCain wins and then also wins a second term (not extremely likely) then the incumbent for the presidency will be Palin... Now that makes for some really interesting politics... because I have heard of female voters who were pro Hillary mainly because she was a woman.. and I've also heard that there are Women who are so dissappointed about Hillary that they'll do whatever it takes to get a woman into the presidency... wouldn't it be interesting if McCain won and then was elected for another term.. if only so Palin could run in 2016? .. Talk about your watershed presidency... and the only person to run against Palin then and have a sure shot would be a Female Democrat... I think the decision to pick Palin as a running mate was a darned brillaint strategy...but it's interesting what may have been set in motion as a result... afterall if the Republicans and Democrats both nominate Women in one of the next go rounds... then it's a sure thing a Woman will be president... I think that's kinda cool
Derek

Richard said:



Then Richard said:



Then Richard said:



I agree, Richard. Thanks for giving us such a vivid illustration of your point.

Gonna be a fun election. black guy/old white guy vs old white guy/hot chick LOL

Any one that lived through VN knows that both sides are a bunch of criminals. The only one of the 4 I could vote for would be Palin. Maybe McCain could check out before Nov? The rest have proven to the world that they are murderers.

Remember voting for the lesser of two evils is voting for EVIL. Vote for anyone but a Dem or Rep

Hmmm. Food for thought.

Others have made this same comment, Doug. In fact, I've felt the same way about other people in other elections.

I remember people saying after the Cheney-Leiberman debates that the wrong two guys were running for President. People were impressed by Cheney!

The reason this happens, in my opinion, is because the media has not yet had time to hunt down all the flawed decisions, bad judgments and embarrassing gaffes made by these folks and the other side hasn't had time to use this information to demonize them. The higher the stakes the more this gets cranked up.

If Ron Paul (who others have had a similar feeling about) was a serious contender (serious as in having the numbers to actually win), believe me, he would take as big a fall from grace as the other candidates have....

I suspect Sarah Palin will lose some luster between now and Nov 4...

Just my cynical view here.....

Scott

Hey Richard:

Your attitude and advice are good I think - when dealing with strangers. The situation here is a little different.

Ben and I have been around here for awhile. I dig his music, particularly the intelligence of his lyrics. Hell, I've even recorded backing vox on a couple of his songs.

When you know and like somebody, and they have a different view than you, well, you want to know why. Simple as that.....

So one of two things will happen. Either I'll listen to Rush and see where Ben is coming from....

Or I'll learn enough to be able to rib him in the future.

Suspect it will be a little of both

Scott

Hey Scott

Nice middle of the road approach... I find that sometimes middle of the road is the best place to be...

I must preface the rest of what I'm going to say by saying this.. At one time I was a huge Rush Limbaugh fan... there was something about what he was saying that just clicked with me... then I realized something... a lot of people believed in Hitler for the same reasons..

Now I know I'm gonna get bashed by the "Ditto" heads for that last comment.. but hear me out..

Just because what he said clicked doesn't mean it was right... his views on certain things are very good and clear.. though he does foster a lot of hate against certain individuals.. Now I'm not saying he's a racist.. quite the opposite really, but he does loath a certain type of person.."Liberals" I understand why he feels the way he does, but it is still spewing hatred... why not just speak about their actions or positions? No he demonizes them.. he speaks and spews hatred.. and if a caller differs with his opinion he doesn't give them fair treatment.. he runs them into the ground with rhetoric... I can't stand listening to people who spew so much hate...whether they be left or right wing.. why dish out so much discontent... And it's never about the issues it's all about personal attacks.. So Scott... if you want to listen.. be aware that you'll probably be offended within the first few minutes of his program... I will say this about Limbaugh.. he's no idiot... he knows his platform quite well.. and he can be a very elequent speaker.. but he is also venemous in his approach.. and I know for myself... even though I agree with a "LOT" of his ideals.. I don't agree with the way he carries out his agenda..
Derek

That was a very smart post, Derek. Rush as well as a lot of liberal pundits are doing something that maintains the status quo: they set up an Us vs. Them mentality that makes people quickly get angry and dismissive of the viewpoints on the opposite side...they ridicule and they laugh and they paint the other side as buffoons. The listeners become fiercely loyal, and strongly dismissive of "the other side." Franken did the same thing.

Platforms. That's what we need to focus on. Not the personalities, the platforms.

Get used to saying President Obama......& when it comes about please remember it is God's will. Thank you.

Thanks for adding a prop to the middle of the road, Derek.

It is true that most of my beliefs fall near the middle. Actually, that's not quite correct - they fall to both sides so they balance to the middle. That's not actually what drives me to vote as I do though. There has been some talk here of core beliefs. Here are some of mine:

(1) Power corrupts. I have never seen an exception - from the smallest position of power to the largest. On the lower end, I include myself here...and I even know to be on guard against it! It's a human thing....

(2) The best decisions are made when all opinions are brought to the table. It is a highly painful process - but, again, in my experience, results in the best decision.

(3) Nothing is more harmful than success.

Put these all together and it is easy to see why I support a two party system where both parties are strong. Disaster occurs when one party becomes significantly stronger than the other. If I come across as liberal on these threads it is only because I think that the pendulum has swung too far to the right over the previous eight years. My attitude was a little different in the late 90's.

This might come across, as it has to some, as sitting on the fence. I think a better metaphor is walking a tightrope.

Some examples - I credit the Republicans in general and Ronald Reagan in particular with ending the cold war. Major props to them. Then they blew it. Rather than become a friend to Russia, as we did with Japan and Germany after WWII, we left them to fend for themselves. Now (my prediction) is that we are going to have to deal with them again.

A more recent example is when the Republicans swept into congressional power with their Contract with America. They held the high moral ground - and then pissed it away in corruption.

Too early to tell about the Democrats and their new majority - but it ain't looking good.

I do NOT think a third independent party is the answer. That would, in effect, become a single strong party with two fringe ones. Again, nothing more dangerous to me than a single strong party. The current system forces both parties not to stray too far from the center.

Our system is fundamentally strong, in my opinion. The flaw is not in the structure but in how we fill the structure with people. Dave suggested a draft to elect representatives - I have had the same thought. We draft juries who might decide whether to put people to death - so why can't we do the same for (at least local) elected offices? It's a little out there, I know but worthy of consideration.

Well, rambling at this point. Thanks for the heads-up about Rush...

Scott

In no certain order, here are a dozen very important platform positions we should all know where we and they stand on. I don't care where you stand, it's your right to have the opinion and cast your vote based on your own personal beliefs. I do admit I think it's profane the amount of illiteracy in our country, and that totally uninformed, solely emotional votes have won and lost elections, but that too is just my opinion.
Economy
Education
Health Insurance
Energy
Homeland Security
Foreign Policy
Domestic Policy
Social Security
Immigration
Human Rights
Abortion
Taxation

Hey Mark

Exactly yes...

It took me quite a few years to reach this opinion, but I've realized that there needs to be balance.. The right wing is very focused on the big picture when it comes to economics and business... I think this is a good approach and I think a lot of what they do keeps this country viable in our world market; however, they also look down on all forms of social programs... are pro Death on one side and pro life on the other (weird).. and frankly they overeact when a crisis occurs sometimes... Left wing Tends to put too much burden on the taxpayer and doesn't give allownces for business so that it can thrive..;however, they do offer up a lot of concerns about out environment.. they try to make sure the little guy is taken care of... they have good motives to try and help those in need.. I won't say there aren't some instances where they do this to make themselves "look" good, but the impact is felt... So there is some good and bad on both sides.. that's where moderation is the key... I worry that The McCain/Palin ticket won't be moderate enough, but then neither is the Obama/Biden Ticket.. so unless and independent rises from the ashes... I'll probably go with the Republican Ticket, or not vote at all lol.. but really I don't think I could do that with good conscience.. JMTC
Derek

Lynn Orloff an excellent post.
Hammer, I wouldn't count my chickens before they hatch.

Just for the heck of it, here is an article that outlines the tax proposals of both McCain and Obama:

http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news/economy/candidates_taxproposals_tpc/?postversion=2008061113