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I trust snide. If I can't make up my own mind, I generally listen to the whoever sounds the snidest.

Sorry RB,
I was aware of these facts a long time before Rush came along. I am much older than Rush. The President, any President, can only do so much. We also have a Congress. One thing you should realise, when the government takes money from one person and gives it to another person someone has to do the work. True some people need help from time to time but some think it is owed to them.

There were second and third generations of people on welfare until the Republicians took the congress in 1994. Why? Because no one required them to become productive.

Like it or not we do have an educational system in the country and every citizen has the duty and opportunity to get an education and become productive. Most people do but some will not.

In case you missed it the more liberal types want to keep the "Nanny" state. Yes they think the country needs a baby sitter. Do you need a baby sitter or can you do and think for yourself? Why are you so bitter RB? Your system has been the one that has been force for longer than your lifetime. And we have a 9 trillion dollar debt to show for it. Maybe you should take another look at what has been happening all these years.

If you draw a paycheck have you looked at it lately? There are more deductions than the law should allow for all the things that the government (people) have put in place for your benifit. And if the "Nanny" state gets expanded you will divvy out more or may no longer have a job. Of course you think i'm just blowing smoke. Take a look at the Automobile Industry. Take a look at the Airline Industry. Take a look at grocery prices. Take a look at gas prices.

So how do you want it? Should you be for higher taxes and maybe no job or lower taxes and a job. There is no free lunch. You will pay somewhere. I don't make the news, I just report the news.

I only want to be King... for just a few days... maybe a week at most. Lol!

"Tax and spend, bump and grind... then I'll kick your big behind."

Does this themesong sound familiar?

Dave

I am very impressed, Sam. I couldn't explain a song that well if I had a lifetime to think about it. I've never been able to interpret symbolism, and have always been in awe of those who can.
And I love what you said about our kids being ahead of us. Were out of sync more than we think we are.

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I don't believe you.



But you still listen to him, don't you?



I have a PhD. I don't need a civics lesson.



Maybe if you 'conservative types' didn't try to FORCE poor women to birth unwanted children there wouldn't be so many on welfare. Now they COULD use birth control but that is unacceptable to conservatives because they think it is promoting promiscuity.



Again, you whine and cry about poor minorities. The liberal tyoes, as you refer to them, try to HELP; the conservative types only comp[lain,

When are you going to start in on gays and illegal immigrants? Become PRODUCTIVE? You realize that this is exactly the philosophy of the Nazis. So what should we do with the unproductive? Let 'em starve? Is this what Jesus would want?



Using tax dollars to help people in need is the 'Christian thing to do. Using it to finance war is not. The LIBERALS act more like Christians inthe country than do the conservatives.

If you people were really anti-Nanny, you would never support the Patriot Act, which is about as Nanny as you can get.



Do you live inn the same country as I do? The REPUBLICANS, not the democrats have been in power for most of the last quarter century and are the main reason for that trillion dollar debt you talk about. You are not talking to some idiot here. I am well aware of the tactics of the right wing propaganda machine and I don't buy any of it.



Thank you, George W Bush!



You just spread the propaganda. I don't want my tax dollars to go toward financing your crusades!

I agree Richard...and I agree that our hands ARE off the handlebar...but for all of you that want to play the blame game, I agree with Brian that there is MORE than enough blame to go around. We need to figure out how to fix it, not who's to blame for getting us here

Wow - I've sung that song 100 times. But this time I listened and pretended he was singing about W. My God, it's a great fit! Karl Rove makes an appearance! So does John McCain!

The vagabond who's rapping at your door - is standing in the clothes that you once wore....

Scott

OK, I think Ray has some solid ideas -- maybe it's his presentation! So I have taken his posts and put them to music. I hope it helps promote understanding on the JPF. I call it "Ode To Strode".

MP3: http://soundclick.com/share?songid=6760063

Kevin

NOTE: I am actually more of a fiscal conservative and I think the Federal Reserve, huge debts and trade deficits ARE destroying this country.

LMAO Kevin

Another "perfect storm" for you, Kevin

I guess when you're doing that 50/90 thing, you look for inspiration every waking moment.

How did you get your voice so deep?

Scott

Herbie: I hope Ray is not tooooo offended!!

Scott: My two speaking parts were just too similar, so I used a pitch shifter in Sonar to lower "Ray's voice".

Kevin

Rb,
You have a PhD. No kidding. I've heard about those things. A lot of people get a College Degree. And then they go out in the world and get an education. I am a firm believer in education.

You have a PhD? No kidding?

RB,
When I was stationed in Corpus Christi, Texas in 1963 after Lyndon Johnson became president, you probably don't remember him, a young Naval Officer said to me sarcastically, Well Lyndon is president now, we will never have to worry about out welfare again. He was more aware of the future than I was at the time but I knew what he meant. And that was way before Rush. But I see you listen to Rush so what's the big deal. You can still put your two cents in at the Voting Booth. How do you know about Rush anyway? Who told you?

When Lyndon was president there was only about 12 republician U.S. Senators in the congress and the democrats had a large majority in the house.

I don't know when the Republicians were in the majority before 1994. It may have been when Truman was president.

If you don't like the way things are don't blame the President. You can't even blame Bill Clinton for most of it.

Lyndon Johnson is the one that started us down the socalisim path with his big government programs. He said medicare would only cost about 9 Billion. Well try 9 trillion.

When I go in the voting booth I am going to vote for you. But if you vote against yourself there is little I can do about it. Savvy?

Kevin:

Cute to the gunnels. Now, as Ray's agent, we're expecting some pretty big royalties and mechanicals out of this... not to mention half... since he's your co-writer. Cough up or you'll be seein' me... and possibly that other guy from Crawford you kept throwin' in. Yee Hah!

Seriously funny. I'm sure Ray is honored that you thought enough of his comments to entertain us with them musically. Be prepared, he's a writer too... and he has lots of friends. They tell me some are in high places. Beware short men of mediteranean heritage carrying violin cases. LOL!

Best,

Dave

I post this only to clear up any misconception about who gutted this country's financial resources.

From today's NYT (that bleeding heart liberal newspaper):

WASHINGTON — The White House predicted Monday that President Bush would leave a record $482 billion deficit to his successor, a sobering turnabout in the nation’s fiscal condition from 2001, when Mr. Bush took office after three consecutive years of budget surpluses.

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. I'll be here all week.

Hey Richard:

Well, unfortunately, this thing has turned somewhat nasty and political. I've been trying to stay out of this conversation 'cause music, and learning the tricks of the trade associated with creating (music) it are this site's primary direction.

Your comment about the $482 billion deficit is true, however... it takes two to tango. The President cannot obtain the funds for this deficit without the approval of Congress... now controlled by Democrats. It is probably not fair to lay deficits or surpluses at the feet of any President... whether Democrat, Republican or whatever party they happen to prefer.

I'll give you credit... this post has really stirred up a hornet's nest. If possible, I hope we can all remain polite and cordial. I may disagree with the gentleman from Houston but I respect his right to believe in whatever he chooses... as long as I am not expected to practice what he preaches.

Regards,

Dave

Folks,
I am not running for President! But I have been getting letters from the National Republician Committee, And John McCain for donations. Somebody's been talking about me! Which one of you gave them my name! I'm gonna call my Congressman. I need to complain to somebody! Maybe Barrack will help me out. Ha, ha.

Did anyone also notice that he just approved the first military execution in fifty years. I wonder whether when the times comes he will openly mock and ridicule the condemned the way he did Karla Fay Tucker. It's not enough to just kill someone; you have to humiliate them. And there are STLL people who support this guy.

You need a third party. All you have now to vote for is twiddle dum and twiddle dee, a third choice could be twiddle dummer.

As I've said on other times, there is a third (behind the scenes) party in every country that controls what ever party gets elected, big money, big business.

Hey Everett:

Would you consider taking the job? LOL! As I've said before many times... If nominated, I will not run... If elected, I will not serve... unless I am declared supreme dictator!

Despite all our political upheaval... it's still great to be living in the U.S.A. (I'm sure you feel the same about being Canadian... and Big Jim about being a Scot.) It seems to me that politics on a global scale are "parroting" tectonic plates as our world continues to "shrink" due to the advances in technology... such as the Internet.(invented by Al Gore) LOL!

I wasn't quite sure how the defecit could be blamed on the Democrats. Good of you to connect the dots. Let's see if I "get it".

A Democratic congress approved the President's request for funding, turning their own surplus into the largest deficit in history - to make the Republican's look bad. Those slick devils, the Dems!

I'm glad that you're happy, Dave. I think it's great that you think it's great to be living in (insert name}, depending on wherever you're from. I really don't like to offend and don't handle conflict well.
I think things could be much, much better here in the greatest country in the world. I disagree with a military mindset. I think it's an outmoded paradigm, barbaric, regressive, unnecessary, perpetuated for the benefit of so very few at the peril of so many. I'm angry that the Democrats put all those lies in Bush's mouth. But the past doesn't really matter.
We need to be looking toward the future. And we must have accurate information in order to act responsibly. One can't make intelligent decisions based on voodoo and innuendo.

Just to clarify, the comment about the $482 billion defecit wasn't mine. It was the New York Times'.

All ya need to know is in "Ode to Strode"!

Kevin

Herbie, he already is president.

I am reminded of the words of GIVE THEM HELL, Harry Truman.

He said I don't give them hell, I just tell the truth, they think, it's hell.

Harry wasn't above using colorful metaphors. For further info you might Google him. See what comes up.

When I was very young one of the first thngs I heard was LSMFT. Lucky Strike Means Fine Tobacco, or LORD SAVE ME FROM TRUMAN. see. Aren't you glad you are here.

Hi Richard:

I understand your quote regarding the deficit... LOL! You are correct... the President requested the budget. The Congress (both bodies controlled by Dems) did not have to approve the budget. That's the "wonder" of "checks and balances." Can we agree that both are at fault?

There is no perfect world. Compromise and congeniality can make it better... to a point. I would prefer that we (U.S. Citizens) find ways to work together toward common ground.

I agree with Everett (a good Canadian) insofar as it appears that we need a strong third party capable of shaking up the two lame excuses we now endure. Both hell-bent on perpetual re-election instead of what is good for the Country.

Regarding the "military mindset." As I recall, our nation became a nation because of just such a mindset. I further recall that all the current anguish about Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iran (to mention just a few) came about when our towers fell. Sadam could have easily avoided defeat if he had just allowed the UN inspections to resume. You and I enjoy our freedom because somebody had the courage to serve and even die for the rights we enjoy. Of course, diplomacy should be followed whenever reasonable nations are willing to sit down and respectfully (and equitably) resolve problems.

Richard, I'm not trying to change your mind or anyone else's for that matter. I just want folks to realize that there are two sides to just about every question. Thank goodness we have the right to express ourselves. I'd prefer to do it in a civil manner. You have my respect!

Dave

That was a quarter of a millenium ago. If serving and dying produced freedom, it wouldn't be necessary to serve and die for it over and over and over and over again.

Why were the towers attacked, Dave?

Sam knows.

I'm not condoning that attack. Nothing justifies it. I want you to view it not as a seminal event but as a single event in a long chain of events. Only then can you put it in proper context. It was a retaliation. The only way to break the cycle is to stop the violence - all forms of violence.

Richard:

You have some strange ideas. I'm guessing you've never served in the military. I hope you are successful in your attempt to break the cycle of violence.

what a discussion...i'm with Mark Kaufmann's post, i came here looking into a post about Bob Dylan...and got sucked into a trap, only to be rescued by Mark's actual link to "It's all Over Now Baby Blue" now that i got what i want i guess i won't have to start that war after all... mj

Well, for those who think it was solely Bush's (by the way, I never voted for ANY Bush) who got us into this, I suppose we'll fix everything in the first 2 years of Obama's term, since he's most likely to win, since the Dem's will control everything. So what will the excuse be then? I can already tell you, they'll say that it's STILL the fault of Bush and they can't fix what he did. So how about we elect someone who will say upfront, IF ELECTED, I WILL FIX THE PROBLEMS CAUSED BY THE PREVIOUS PRESIDENT AND CONGRESS AND I EXPECT TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR DOING THAT, AND I WILL NOT TAKE THE COP OUT THAT IT'S SOMEONE ELSES FAULT. I AM BRINGING BACK "THE BUCK STOPS HERE?" If no candidate will say they will do that, why should we elect them? Same for the congress. And in my opinion, the DEM Congress has already shown us what they can do. They need to go as well. I don't care what party replaces them. I just know the current people in office have demonstrated through performance (or lack thereof) that they shouldn't be there.

This COULD all be fixed with 2 very simple pieces of legislation.

1. A Balanced Budget Ammendment. The Government can only spend what it takes in. And I'd put a second factor into it. If the Government runs short of money, the very FIRST place that must be cut, before ANY other program, is the salaries and retirement benefits of anyone in public office. I'd personally do their job for free (assuming I could have a roof and food and medical care) because I already basically work that way with JPF and I know it can be done. If you're passionate about doing the right thing, you should cut your own paycheck first before cutting anyone elses if you over spend. If we did that, I think you'd see the end of a lot of pork.

2. Because that wouldn't get rid of ALL the pork, we desperately need the line item veto. If we had that, Pork would almost disappear overnight, and the pork that DIDN'T disappear would lie under the responsibility of the President or of the Congress people that over-rode his/her veto.

Those 2 things would do MIRACLES for our country. It would take the teeth out of many special interest groups and their hold on our government. To me, the real villains in all of this ARE the special interest groups and lobbyists on BOTH sides of the aisle (often they are the same people anyway). Make it nearly impossible to give them what they want, and put the price of doing it as that person's seat in congress as penalty and you'll see most of it dry right up.

I'd also add a third thing, if I was in power. That would be term limits on all Federal offices. 2 terms is enough to let someone be king. We were supposed to have a representative government, not a professional full time life long government that more closely resembles the Monarchy. If we can survive with 2 terms from a President, why not the same for Reps and Senators? The answer is that corruption would be far more difficult without long term power players. Sure, many would try and steal everything they could in their 1 or 2 terms, but they'd have a lot less favors owed them and a lot less knowledge of how to scam the system like these life long blowhards of both parties have.

In high school I helped get a congressman elected who was the first at the time to ever visit our high school. He was young and charming and this was not long after the disastrous years of the Carter administration, which for me was the worst 4 years of life in my lifetime (and which I cringe to think we'll ever return to). Our school overwhelmingly worked to get him elected (and coming from at the time the third most republic district in the entire country, it wasn't a hard sell). I already had leanings of being a Libertarian and helping get that party started in the state of Indiana.. but that's another discussion. So our school was successful and we got Dan Burton elected. I was (I think) around 16-17 years old at that time.

Now I am 44. And guess who my representative is? Dan Burton. And guess what? I live on the opposite (by a good 45 minute drive) side of Indianapolis now. But they have Gerry Mandered the district in a convoluted way so that his district skims around, like a snake, Downtown Indianapolis and to the suburbs of the South Side as well. (If you saw the district you think "what a total load of BS"). Now this was NOT his doing alone (though I am sure he was all too happy to work with his counterpart, the now deceased Democrat Julia Carson in Indianapolis) to make sure that their two districts were as ethnically and racially divided as possible so that neither of them could EVER lose an election. And guess what? Neither did. Carson served until her recent death and Burton, at this rate, will serve until his, even with scandals etc. that have happened.

Now I have thought it was probably time to replace Dan with someone new.. but unless I chose one of the two parties and then towed their party line, I'd never even get on the ballot. If I did go around either of them, I'd likely never get in the debate and I'd be facing a corporate sponsored campaign by both sides to even get coverage from the same corporate controlled (or corporate advertising funded) media. I wouldn't have a chance to win or lose on merit. I'd have to become part of the problem, with the hopes that by doing so, I could later become part of the solution. And I'd never get that chance. Because if I went against either party, I'd be ostracized and in some cases, they actually would support the other parties candidate just go get back to the good old boy/girl system that they all enjoy now. Plus, once they learned that I actually supported all types of issues from all types of sides (i.e. sometimes right, sometimes left and sometimes down the middle) I'd be attacked from all sides as well. They'd ignore what we agreed on and focus on what we didn't agree on. I'd get it hard from all sides. Most folks like me that would just like to go in and use some common sense to fix 80-90% of the problems that we mostly all agree on, are also smart enough to know that in our current system, we'd never be allowed to do so without a fight every moment of every day. So we have to decide if we can do more good from outside the system where we can just focus on doing the right thing, or inside where we're spending most of our time either fighting our enemies OR our supposed friends OR both, or we'll have to spend it already running for the next election to hold our seat so we can be in power long enough to never have to worry again about NOT being in power.

Both parties carry equal blame in this. Both have scoundrels in their parties who do the wrong thing and are dishonest. For the most part, both parties take the same blood money and they both protect their very closed system which resembles the Monarchy more than what our founding fathers envisioned. And both parties are perfectly DELIGHTED that fights like this take place in homes and bars and picnics and bowling leagues and schools and message boards every single day. As long as we're fighting each other.. we won't pay much attention to what THEY are really doing. It's a genius plan that works flawlessly. Too bad they don't use that genius to make our country a better place. Even if you love America more than anyone else, you have to want it to be even BETTER. Even if you hate America you had to admit it's still better than most alternatives in the world. So when will we all wake up from this Hatfield and McCoy/My Team is better than your team adolescent tirade and actually start fixing some problems?

I wish I knew the answer to that.. but I hope the answer isn't "Never."

Brian

Brian,

I agree with you 100%. I especially like the part about them loving it when we fight. Anger motivates, hatred motivates. Don't believe that? Read this post. In the politicians' best interest, anger and hatred causes people to vote. Have you ever wondered why the country seems to be split 50/50? Ever wondered why CONSERVatives don't champion CONSERVation? Or why LIBERals don't champion personal LIBERty? They stake their platforms out to maintain a 50/50 split, then whip up anger and hatred on the fringes. This keeps the coffers full, the votes coming, and the monarchy in power. We're not a monarchy, you say? Bush and son. Clinton and wife. The Kennedys and Ahnold. All pushed into political marriages (both real and figurative) by their handlers...the special interests.

So keep fighting, guys, the fat cats love it.

By the way. Here's a song about George Bush by JPFers.
http://soundclick.com/share?songid=6719301

Hey, I'll plug Ray's and my tune again (LOL!): http://soundclick.com/share?songid=6760063

1.) Balanced Budget (it's sad that we would need an amendment)
2.) Line Item Veto
3.) Term Limits

Sign me up.

Kevin

If you ran for president Brian, you'd need some long pants and some non-gym shoes...and the red hat? history... The beard might even have to go... I guess you'll be staying here. ;-)

I wore suits for 13 years in corporate America (well most of them anyway). Been there and done that. I could probably deal with it for my country.. though I'd likely work to get this whole clothing Nazi dogma changed.. especially the ties.. those are stupid examples of corporate lobbying and propaganda run amok from the Tie making industry of eons ago. They are stupid and silly and if view from the outside of this culture, it would stand out as dumb as putting a bone through your nose.. it might even be dumber.

Brian

PLEASE post a pic of yourself in a suit and tie for our viewing. If you're gonna be a candidate, we need to see how you would look ! ! (This is gonna be great)

I'm NOT. I repeat, I'm NOT gonna get tied up in this mess.

HOWEVER,

rblight, you claim you live in a third world country, Texas. What's the matter are the roads washed out? No Airports? Bus Stations? Get outta there man.

Richard Stringfellow, you complain about Tampa Stan defending Nixon. We had, what was it 58,000 American soldiers die in Vietnam a democrat war. If it had not been for Richard Nixon pulling them out it may have been double that.

Brian,
If you think all those canidates are smart enough to keep getting elected year after year do I have some news for you. They ain't that smart! Maybe the only good thing that came out of this post is Kevin wrote a song. Kevin I hope you make a million out of it. Uh, maybe not. The Government will just most of it. Foiled again.

Some elected officals do try to do the right thing. I give you the story of Phil Graham. He was Democrat congressman from Texas. When he got up to congress the liberal elements told him how he was going to vote. He said hell no you ain't, resigned his office, went back to Texas and run as a Republician.

Now I give you the story of one of my sisters-in-law. She wouldn't vote for Bush no way no how. I kidded her about it. She says she ain't going to vote for a woman or black man for president. Neither one. And she probably won't vote for McCain.

An Astrologer wrote an article sometime last year in Horoscope Magazine. She concluded that Hillary was going to get elected. Don't guess that is going to happen. Of course Obama could still blow it.

Isn't it amazing how those politians spend 12 month a year in Washington but work about two months.

If that were really true, you wouldn't have made this post.



Texas needs more liberals. Thanks to all the conservatives, it is the execution capital of the world. I am sorry, but any country/state that kills as many people as Texas does is third world and barbaric, PERIOD.

Do YOU believe in capital punishment? I don't know why I am asking because I already know the answer to that question. You do realize that as many as 10% of people on death row are innocent and likely poor minorities, don't you?

David. Just out of curiosity - - Is there any connection between the signature at the bottom of your posts, and the war in Vietnam?

Richard Stringfellow,

No, It's for those who keep on voting for the liberals.

Look, there's bad Democrats. There's bad Republicans. There's bad Independents. There's bad Green Party. And at the same time there's good ones in all.
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rblight's quote - "He's an idiot, a war-mongering idiot."

Although, you may not agree with everything he says and does, the least you can do is to respect the man holding the highest office in The United States of America.

GEORGE W. BUSH is the first president with an MBA. So, apparently he's not too much of an idiot.

Spare me the flag waving. You know as well as I do that if he supported a woman's right to choose, you would be calling him a murderer and an idiot. But I guess it's OK to drop daisy cutters on innocent Iraqi citizens, as long as they are not born again Christians, right?

See, that's the problem. You and your ilk don't see the disconnect between the morals you preach and the policies you support.



Not so. If the man had earned rb's respect, he'd have it. But rb feels betrayed. An attempt to guilt-trip rb into holding the man in high regard will fail. It's just that simple.

Some of you guys are the cryingest people I've ever seen. You know yourself most of those bombs were guided with enough precision they could put them through a window. Also, Saddam was given a month to comply and let the inspectors come in and check for WMD's but refused to the end. Everyone says he didn't have any. Heck, he had a whole month to move them.

I showed Bill Clinton a whole lot more respect than most of you people show George W. Bush.

Richard,
You can read rb's posts and easily see. He's mad at the world.
I think maybe he loves rb and rb's sis.

I said I wasn't gonna get tied up in this mess, and here I am. 'Nuff said. Ain't no use in arguing. Life's too short. I'm gonna find another thread.

When our freedom is under attack by people who want to force THEIR values on us, we get mad. BTW, 'cryingest' is NOT a word.



So you are saying they killed all those innocent women and children ON PURPOSE? If their bomb dropping technology was THAT GOOD, this would never have happened. But what are a few innocent lives (collateral damage) compared to bagging a most wanted terrorist WHO IS NEVER ACTUALLY AT THE BOMB SITE when they drop their bombs.



OMG! You are living in a fantasy world. THERE WERE NO WMD. Zip, zero, zilch! At what point are you going to FINALLY process that? Your idol LIED to you.



Clinton deserved a lot more respect than Bush does.

I'm sorry. This is too fragmented for me to understand. Can somebody explain?

OMG- Adulterer, lied under oath, disgraced the Oval Office, sexual harassment, Whitewater

These are Clinton stuff. And you want to bash Bush?

Richard,

What part don't you understand?

I said.........................
You can read his posts and tell he is mad at the world.

I said.........................
Probably the only ones that he loves are rb (himself) and his sister.

I shouldn't be surprised. I expected this. Conservative Christians are OBSESSED with anythings sexual. Clinton slept with an intern; BUSH HAS MURDERED THOUSANDS WITH HIS WAR-MONGERING POLICIES. VIOLENCE IS FAR WORSE THAN SEX, MY FRIEND.

Only a bible thumper would say with a straight face that sex is worse than violence and war, which is one reason I want absolutely nothing to do with the organized church. It has become nothing but a political machine and should be taxed like any other political machine.

David, I always seem to be responding to your posts. Please believe that it's nothing personal. You are absolutely entitled to your opinions and beliefs. It just often seems that your posts bring things to my mind, so I put those thoughts out there.

Having said that, here's a great little song by Eric Schwartz. (Warning! R-rated) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSVYkQoFADs&feature=related

Eric is an award winning JPF member! = )

Brian