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The basics is as easy as said as done Big Jim.
If I feel like a certain style, anyone can tell I did a certain style.
Let's say though for example that my definition of a perfect beat and melody is a million miles off from what people listen to. Whether that is or not, tastes are different.
I can't find a groove if there is something in a program off-setting that.

But computers chug along.
This is especially noticed when a track is being put to another one.
That is what I am talking about.

I will check out your tutorials.

Thanks.

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Matt computers do not make music... you do. They only do what you tell them to. How you control them is up to you. There is nothing in a computer that will upset "your groove" or what you record if you know how to record it properly and use the gear properly it will work fine.
A guy says
This piano does not work.
Oh what is wrong with it.
well it just does not work
have you tried lifting the lid and pushing the keys.
Oh it seems to be working now.
MATT YOU HAVE TO LIFT THE PIANO LID TO GET IT TO WORK.
Sorry to be so blunt but you just do not seem to listen.

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No, it is the fact that my words are being changed into something I never said.
You have made cracks before about me being out of tune, and I know in your own way you believe you are helping.
But just like with computers, it also hinges on how one adapts to their surroundings and what they are looking for with music.
Artistic and soulful expression has never been pushing an on button or a computer with me.

I HAVE TO GET USED TO IT WAS ALL I WAS SAYING.

But I am not going to HINGE ALONE ON WHAT THE SOFTWARE DOES!!!

I make use out of it for what I want to get.

And if you believe I am saying this out of ego or not knowing, look where else I am on on the web.
What you don't want to see may not be something with that other, it is what you choose to find.

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Matt I have never made cracks about you being out of tune.
I have said that you have a love of music and are enthusiastic.
You have potential but need to learn. I recommended that you take music lessons and basic recording and music production techniques and a course in personal computers may not do you any harm.
I have listened to most of your stuff and have given you my honest appraisal and encouragement. There are no short cuts to learning. This business is hard. You have to learn the basics.
Artistic and soulful expression is all about pushing a button. You have to learn what all the buttons do so that you can push the right ones to make your own kind of music. Then people will say yeah that is good this guy knows his stuff.

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Ninety-percent of ninety-percent of whoever will not like what someone does.
But if someone gets something from it, that is good enough for me.
It is upon that person to come around it.
I am not out to be famous, and the professional conformity would feel too cold to me anyway.
I am just doing what I am doing, others elsewhere seem to like it, and I have that bone in my head being a rank amatuer with my little bit of experience.
My reality lies in the present, not wishful thinking.

The only point I was making is that if one is out strictly to perform on their recordings through a simple .wav program, there is always going to be that shock of adapting to different software.
But I learned to play to it, the rest will follow.

I have been learning more about ballad pop, and people can see those strides in it as far as I know.
I just want to fit whatever inspires me into a 3 part song.
I'm trying to tackle 4 different instruments doing that and what inspires me does'nt neccesarialy fit in a study book at all times.
It depends on what one gets into often as to what sounds on course. I look for if people know what I am attempting to play (style) without me saying it and if it is yet original sounding as instruction.
But since I am out to learn strict songcraft with that exact melody and rythmn, practice helps.
My attack has improved from what many have told me just by practicing to rythmn samples.
That is what I have used Audacity for up until now.

I have still been taking advice on time sigs.
Though I never copy a rythmn for a recording.
But samples do help to practice to and the sounds in Audacity can really perk up the ears.

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Matt there are no sounds in Audacity. It is just a recording and editing program.
It records the sounds YOU make.

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With effects!
What can be done with sound.
G Verb for example, out of many effects.

Even the pluck and click track can be built around with for a unique sound.
Pretty fascinating for a freebie.

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Yeah it is a pretty neat piece of software.
So what is the problem? You say you do not like it and it produces sounds you do not like!!!!
You lost me and probably everybody else.

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Matt,
Not only can you use the effects in Audacity, but if you download the VST Enabler.dll to the Audacity plugin folder http://audacityteam.org/vst/ you can add loads of other free vst effects out on the net. I have between 150 and 200 effects in mine.


"Those Who Do Not Learn From History Are Doomed To Repeat It" George Santayana
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Thanks much David!

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Good One Jim,

Eye sight a problem you are right.
Also, great tips on how to use Audacity, maybe I will use it myself. Good Thread


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Please please please watch the recording levels. I have recently listened to a few MP3 offerings from our boards and found that most are recorded at a very high level. This causes massive distortion and very little post record can be done to correct this. When using Audacity make sure that the peaks of your recordings are within the 0.5 marker. Anything outside this range tends to be distorted and causes clipping. This is more noticeable when converting to MP3. Always do a test record to ensure that the levels are set properly. I have heard many good performances which obviously have a lot of time spent on mixing and recording but this is somewhat wasted becuase the basic recording level was set too high.

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Hey Jim,

I agree I have noticed the same terrible distortion, I expect you were raised on analogue studios like me. with those big meters .

I see you are a Joe Cocker fan like me.



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Hey Jim,

I agree I have noticed the same terrible distortion, I expect you were raised on analogue studios like me. with those big meters .

I see you are a Joe Cocker fan like me.



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Hey Split check out my soundclick. There is a Cocker cover with me singing "The Letter" I sometimes do a Joe Cocker and Meatloaf tribute as part of my act. It costs extra.

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I notice the fuzziness more than anything else.
I never try and listen to one certain medium for so long that my ears get used to it.
I'm an album, tape, and cd listener with pretty much equal distributions of all of them.
But with some tinkering, these sound issues do work out.

It is great there are programs like Audacity.

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Vista handles Audacity different than my old XP. I don't like what Vista has done to me. I can't even get the Audacity meters in Vista.

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I ditched Vista after a week. Well to be honest the first time I tried doing any music production. Vista is just not geared up for music production. Perhaps in a year or so when they get the bugs Ironed out but I would not recommend it to the serious musician or music collector.

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