Who's Online Now
8 members (Sunset Poet, Fdemetrio, Guy E. Trepanier, texritter, Everett Adams, 3 invisible), 73,820 guests, and 5,814 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Register Today!
Welcome to the Just Plain Folks forums! You are currently viewing our forums as a Guest which gives you limited access to most of our discussions and to other features.

By joining our free community you will have access to post and respond to topics, communicate privately with our users (PM), respond to polls, upload content, and access many other features. Registration is fast, simple, and absolutely free; so please join our community today!
ShoutChat
Comment Guidelines: Do post respectful and insightful comments. Don't flame, hate, spam.
What's Going On
AI is a LIE
by JAPOV - 04/22/26 11:24 AM
We’re Gonna Have To Pay For It
by Sunset Poet - 04/22/26 10:59 AM
I Surrender to You
by Fdemetrio - 04/22/26 10:27 AM
Heavy Rain
by John Voorpostel - 04/21/26 10:07 PM
Tampa Stan Good
by John Voorpostel - 04/21/26 09:54 PM
Open The Straits
by Rob B. - 04/21/26 07:34 PM
Kindergarten
by JAPOV - 04/21/26 02:20 PM
The Late Great Tampa Stan Good
by Fdemetrio - 04/20/26 11:29 PM
Object writing-today’s word.
by Bill Draper - 04/20/26 08:49 PM
River Life Festival, Manchester Ohio
by Gary E. Andrews - 04/20/26 11:46 AM
What An Ass
by Rob B. - 04/19/26 11:59 PM
JE DÉTESTE TE VOIR PARTIR (#678)
by Gary E. Andrews - 04/19/26 11:31 PM
JE DÉTESTE TE VOIR PARTIR (#678)
by Gary E. Andrews - 04/19/26 11:29 PM
Prophecy anyone?
by JAPOV - 04/19/26 08:32 PM
How I Hate, by Gary E. Andrews
by Guy E. Trepanier - 04/19/26 12:07 PM
Political Song Walked In A Bar
by Sunset Poet - 04/17/26 11:00 AM
Disc Makers Free Online Music Conference
by Gary E. Andrews - 04/17/26 10:58 AM
For Love of Phoebe
by John Lawrence Schick - 04/16/26 05:09 PM
Woodsongs, New Home!
by Gary E. Andrews - 04/15/26 02:35 PM
Really does Depend who you ask
by Fdemetrio - 04/15/26 12:37 PM
IRAN
by Fdemetrio - 04/15/26 12:27 PM
PETE
by Fdemetrio - 04/14/26 06:57 AM
A Fly That Won't Die
by Rob B. - 04/13/26 10:51 PM
Read Your Contract; Negotiate.
by Gary E. Andrews - 04/12/26 10:00 PM
Not A Straight Line
by bennash - 04/12/26 07:40 PM
Suno Glitches
by bennash - 04/12/26 07:20 PM
Porchfest, Athens Ohio
by Gary E. Andrews - 04/11/26 09:21 PM
::: MY LITTLE SUNSHINE :::
by Rob B. - 04/10/26 10:22 PM
Ellis Paul Music and More
by Gary E. Andrews - 04/09/26 10:59 PM
DOCTOR TONGUE
by Gary E. Andrews - 04/09/26 10:05 PM
Top Posters
Calvin 19,858
Travis david 12,380
Kevin Emmrich 10,943
Jean Bullock 10,330
Kaley Willow 10,240
Two Singers 9,649
Joice Marie 9,186
Mackie H. 9,003
glynda 8,688
Mike Dunbar 8,574
Fdemetrio 8,474
Tricia Baker 8,318
couchgrouch 8,240
Colin Ward 7,911
Corey 7,357
JAPOV 7,218
Sunset Poet 6,965
Vicarn 6,916
Mark Kaufman 6,589
ben willis 6,114
Lynn Orloff 5,788
Louis 5,725
Linda Sings 5,608
KimberlyinNC 5,210
Neil Cotton 4,909
Derek Hines 4,893
DonnaMarilyn 4,700
Blake Hill 4,528
Bob Cushing 4,389
Roy Cooper 4,303
MFB III 4,237
Bill Osofsky 4,199
Tom Shea 4,195
Cindy Miller 4,178
TamsNumber4 4,172
bennash 4,108
nightengale 4,096
E Swartz 4,029
beechnut79 3,878
Caroline 3,865
Kolstad 3,845
Dan Sullivan 3,710
Dottie 3,427
joewatt 3,411
Bill Cooper 3,279
John Hoffman 3,199
Skip Johnson 3,027
Pam Hurley 3,007
Terry G 3,005
PopTodd 2,901
Nigel Quin 2,891
Harriet Ames 2,870
MidniteBob 2,764
Nelson 2,616
Tom Tracy 2,558
Jerry Jakala 2,524
Al Alvarez 2,499
Eric Thome 2,448
Hummingbird 2,401
Stan Loh 2,263
Sam Wilson 2,247
Wendy D 2,236
Judy Hollier 2,232
Erica Ellis 2,202
maccharles 2,134
TrumanCoyote 2,096
Marty Helly 2,041
DukeWill 2,009
floyd jane 1,985
Clint Anglin 1,904
cindyrella 1,888
David Wright 1,866
Clairejeanne 1,851
Cindy LaRosa 1,824
Rob B. 1,749
Ronald Boyt 1,675
Iggy 1,653
VNORTH2 1,647
Noel Downs 1,633
Rick Heenan 1,608
Cal 1,574
GocartMoz 1,559
Jack Swain 1,554
Pete Larsen 1,537
Ann Tygart 1,529
Tom Breshers 1,487
RogerS 1,481
Tom Franz 1,479
David Gill 1,459
IronKnee 1,455
Chuck Crowe 1,441
Ralph Blight 1,440
Rick Norton 1,435
Kenneth Cade 1,429
Bill Draper 1,426
Deej56 1,419
bholt 1,411
Letha Allen 1,409
in2piano 1,404
Stan Simons 1,402
mattbanx 1,384
Jen Shaner 1,373
Charlie Wong 1,347
KevinP 1,324
Vondelle 1,316
Tom W. 1,313
Jan Petter 1,301
scottandrew 1,294
lane1777 1,280
Gerry 1,280
DakLander 1,265
PeteG 1,242
Ian Ferrin 1,235
Glen King 1,214
IdeaGuy 1,209
AaronAuthier 1,177
summeoyo 1,174
ckiphen 1,162
Diane Ewing 1,162
joro 1,082
BobbyJoe 1,075
S.DEE 1,040
yann 1,037
9ne 1,035
WesRyan 1,018
Tony A 1,016
argo 986
peaden 984
90 dB 964
Wolvman 960
Jak Kelly 912
krtinberg 890
Petra 883
RJC 845
Brenda152 840
Nadia 829
ant 798
Juan 797
TKO 784
Dayson 781
frahmes 781
teletwang 762
Irwin 754
Andy Kemp 751
Andy K 750
tbryson 737
Jackie444 731
3daveyO3 704
Dixie 701
Pat Hardy 696
Joy Boy 695
Knute 686
Lee Arten 678
Moosesong 678
Katziis 652
R.T.MOORE 638
quality 637
CG King 622
douglas 621
R&M 614
Mel 614
NaomiSue 601
Shandy 590
Ria 587
TAMERA64 583
qbaum 570
nitepiano 566
pRISCILLA 556
Tink2 553
musica 539
deanbell 528
BB Wilbur 527
RobertK 527
BonzaiWag 523
Roderic 522
goodfolks 499
Zeek 487
Stu 486
Steve P. 481
KathyW 462
allenb 459
MaxG 458
Philjo 454
fanito 448
trush48 448
dmk 442
Rob L 439
arealrush 437
DGR 436
avweek 435
Stephen D 433
Emmy 431
marquez 422
kit 419
Softkrome 417
kyrksongs 415
RRon 408
Laura G. 407
VNORTH 407
Debra 407
eb 406
cuebald 399
EdPerrone 399
Dannyk1 395
Hobart 395
ddreuter 394
Davyboy49 393
Smile 389
GJShades 387
Alek 386
Ezt 384
tone 380
Marla 380
Ann_F 379
iggyiggy 378
coalminer 377
java 374
spidey 371
sweetsong 370
danny 367
Jim Ryan 360
papaG 353
Z - man 350
JamesDF5 348
John K 348
Jaden 344
TheBaz 340
Steggy 339
leif 339
tonedeaf 336
rickwork 334
Eddie Ray 332
Johnboy 328
Bob Lever 328
Helicon1 327
lucian 326
Muskie 321
kc 319
Z. Mulls 318
ptondreau 313
ONOFFON 312
Chris B. 310
trush 304
ed323 297
Ellen M 294
markus-ky 294
lizzorn 291
nicnac49 290
Char 286
Top Likes Received
JAPOV 176
bennash 135
Rob B. 87
VNORTH2 68
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 57
T
Serious Contributor
OP Offline
Serious Contributor
T
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 57
“Dreamin” you Into My Heart”
Words, Melody & Music by: Olivia Francis (c) 2004


I’m dreamin’ you into my heart, until you are mine
I can see it all, as clear as day, everytime I close my eyes
You’re standin’ there, right next to me & we never part
They say if you believe, then dreams can come true
So, I’ll keep on dreamin’ of you……

CHORUS:
I’m dreamin’ you into my heart, every minute, every day
Then, Darlin’ when, I am sleepin’, I’ll dream the night away
Dreamin’ you into my heart, a little at a time
Then, Darlin’ as soon, as my dreams come true
You’ll be the true love of my life

BREAK

I’m dreamin’ you into my heart, & prayin’ you will find
The right road to take, to make your way,
Straight into these arms of mine
I’ll be right here, waiting for you, until you arrive
They say if you believe, then dreams can come true
So, I’ll never stop dreamin’ of you……

REPEAT CHORUS
TAG
Thanks to all of you for your helpful comments.
"PLEASE" feel free to make changes to what you believe will make a better song...
Olivia


[This message has been edited by Turquoise Rose (edited 04-05-2005).]

[This message has been edited by Turquoise Rose (edited 04-17-2005).]

[This message has been edited by Turquoise Rose (edited 04-17-2005).]


Olivia
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 29,275
"
Top 10 Poster
Offline
Top 10 Poster
"
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 29,275
G'Mornin' T.R.!

I, too, just read Rafe's & commented...

YOUR Lyrics, however, make a nice Melody ring in my Ears as I go along with 'em..and it's Far Sweeter Subject Matter herein.

Structure-wise, V1 is the Same as the Chorus...so it READS like a Pair of Verses. Then the BREAK seems to have the Same Structure, too...(Tho it could be Modulated Up for SOME "Variety" when-sung..but it'll STILL sound pretty Monotonous UNLESS ya make SOME Structure-Change thereabouts..IMO. Fewer Lines...Diffo Rhyme Scheme, for sure SOME Pitch Change...whatever Works..(Probably NOT the TITLE for an Opener Again, too, there)..THEN get back to your "Chorus" again.)

OH, if the "BREAK" is a MUSICAL BRIDGE, then ya can Disregard the above. DOES look like a Verse ya got there..heh!

Suggest, IF that's The Case, maybe ya come up with a SUNG Bridge..with alla the Diffo Structure I've just suggested earlier. Give us listeners a Little MORE Storyline. How'd She Meet Him...HINT what He Looks Like..ANYTHING to make Him "Less Nebulous" & Singer More Real. (& perhaps a Hint that This Relationship's More "Happening" & LESS-Purely-Yearny?)

Good Luck with it...I found it Closer-to-Commercial than Rafe's because
1) It's of a POSITIVE Nature
2) Less-Littered with Cloying Rhymes/Stereotypes
3) The Melody seemed to Jump Right Out of the Lyrics/Felt Easy-to-Sing (In Comparison, anyways!) ;-)>

There ARE some Cliches.."We never part".."Dreams can come true"...(even "the Love of My Life"..) BUT they seem to NOT call attention to themselves here.

(Or maybe I'm Wrong..heh-heh..about this..but you'll see if Lots of Others callya on this Factor!)

Good Luck on this Lyric/Song..

Big Hugs,
Stan

Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 57
T
Serious Contributor
OP Offline
Serious Contributor
T
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 57
Have you really listened to songs on the radio? Cliche heaven! Anyway, thanks for your opinion, but I doubt I'll change this one unless I feel it would make it better than it is. I like the flow of melody & chorus, which can't be heard here. Sometimes it's hard to critique lyrics w/o hearing the melody...TR
Quote
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Wirdaz:
Hi Olivia.... Arggggggggg not another one...... Ok I just read a lyric called "no such thing as love" by Rafe.... and I found it one long cliche.... Saddly you have pretty much achieved the same result here... Sorry I'm not meaning to be horrid and the fact I don't like this lyric is no reflection on you or your ability.. I know I've written far worse.... just as I know you have written some great lyrics...

I'm not against the use of cliches I encourage it.... but too much of a good thing [Linked Image].... You've done a pretty good job otherwise meter is fine and I'm sure some folk will like it....

If you have written this for your own pleasure then just ignore me...

Remember this is just MY opinion and no reflection on you or your talent

Keep writting [Linked Image]

Keep writing
</font>


Olivia
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 57
T
Serious Contributor
OP Offline
Serious Contributor
T
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 57
Mornin' Stan,
Although the verses & cho. are close in structure let me assure you they are miles apart in melody. Not sure what you mean about the structure of the break or it needing pitch change. This song is actually about a fictitious character she sees in her mind. The kind of man she wants but hasn't met yet...( I guess I could add a bridge that explains it more clearly) Thanks...Big hugs back... TR
Quote
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by TampaStan:
G'Mornin' T.R.!

I, too, just read Rafe's & commented...

YOUR Lyrics, however, make a nice Melody ring in my Ears as I go along with 'em..and it's Far Sweeter Subject Matter herein.

Structure-wise, V1 is the Same as the Chorus...so it READS like a Pair of Verses. Then the BREAK seems to have the Same Structure, too...(Tho it could be Modulated Up for SOME "Variety" when-sung..but it'll STILL sound pretty Monotonous UNLESS ya make SOME Structure-Change thereabouts..IMO. Fewer Lines...Diffo Rhyme Scheme, for sure SOME Pitch Change...whatever Works..(Probably NOT the TITLE for an Opener Again, too, there)..THEN get back to your "Chorus" again.)

OH, if the "BREAK" is a MUSICAL BRIDGE, then ya can Disregard the above. DOES look like a Verse ya got there..heh!

Suggest, IF that's The Case, maybe ya come up with a SUNG Bridge..with alla the Diffo Structure I've just suggested earlier. Give us listeners a Little MORE Storyline. How'd She Meet Him...HINT what He Looks Like..ANYTHING to make Him "Less Nebulous" & Singer More Real. (& perhaps a Hint that This Relationship's More "Happening" & LESS-Purely-Yearny?)

Good Luck with it...I found it Closer-to-Commercial than Rafe's because
1) It's of a POSITIVE Nature
2) Less-Littered with Cloying Rhymes/Stereotypes
3) The Melody seemed to Jump Right Out of the Lyrics/Felt Easy-to-Sing (In Comparison, anyways!) ;-)>

There ARE some Cliches.."We never part".."Dreams can come true"...(even "the Love of My Life"..) BUT they seem to NOT call attention to themselves here.

(Or maybe I'm Wrong..heh-heh..about this..but you'll see if Lots of Others callya on this Factor!)

Good Luck on this Lyric/Song..

Big Hugs,
Stan
</font>


Olivia
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 11,806
Top 10 Poster
Offline
Top 10 Poster
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 11,806
Hi Olivia,

I am always open for a new love song...but in order to survive these days it has to go somewhere new. This one, unfortunately, pretty much treads well done territory. It doesn't use enough paint on the canvas to lure the listener/reader into the situation. You are basically telling us something but not showing it to us. Each section verse/chorus/break all start with the same line. I am sure you have done that in order to have impact, but unless you are doing a vvbv structure, with a refrain, that is generally not recommended. Usually, the hook is reserved for one segment...either a repeated refrain in the verses or repeated several times in the chorus...but not in all of them. HOWEVER, and this is a big HOWEVER...since you are a performer...and may not be pitching this to anyone else...if it works for you...then go for it. I do think you would do yourself a big favor though, by making the lyrics work as hard as your melody. Nothing bothers me more than hearing an incredibly beautiful melody with weak lyrics!! Believe me...I hear a lot of those these days, especially from performers who think they can write their own material.

I was in a pitch session awhile back with a few other folks and in the middle of one guy's song, the publisher stopped the music and asked him: "do you consider yourself a musician or a lyricist or both?" The guy said, "I write both the music and lyrics." The publisher then said..."well you need to work with a lyricist. I can always tell when a musician writes his own lyrics." That may or may not be true, but expecting the music to carry a weak lyric is accepting less than you should of your writing...at least IMO.

After reading your explanation to Stan about the singer not having actually met this person she was dreaming about..I went back to see what clues I had missed that you had put in there about that. Guess what...there is nothing there to indicate that this isn't a case of unrequited love (which is what I interpreted from the lyric). And..it really is pretty full of cliches. Who actually says..."we never part?" I am sure you can perform this and folks won't get up and walk out (I have heard you have a stunning voice)...but it definitely could be much stronger.

Hugs,
Bobbie


They'll tell you success in the music biz is all about who you know...but the truth is...it's about who knows you.

Gallup 'n Dawg Music
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 3,639
Top 100 Poster
Offline
Top 100 Poster
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 3,639
Bobbie Gallup offered you a very thoughtful post Olivia. I agree with her analysis of these lyrics. I know cliches SEEM to be rampant in country music but that is an illusion. It is not cliches the masters are spinning, it is the phoenix rising from the ashes of the cliche that you are witnessing. That is their skill. Cliche means common and common means lots of ears are listening but those fickle ears want a payoff and these master writers are giving them the pay off. They twist the cliche and surprise the ear constantly. The hits are always inventive.

There is something about all of us that recognizes and gravitate toward the novel and new.
We all want to hear something fresh. We yawn when we read, "It was a dark and stormy night..." That was really a first line in a novel but can you tell me which one? How about this one for a first line,

"Marley was dead; to begin with, as far as I remember"


"Imagination is more important than knowledge." - Albert Einstein
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 57
T
Serious Contributor
OP Offline
Serious Contributor
T
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 57
Quote
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Turquoise Rose:
pulled to revamp. Unfortunately I'm drawing a blank on this one so far. Thanks for all your help, Wirdaz,TampaS, Bobbie G & NC....

[This message has been edited by Turquoise Rose (edited 04-05-2005).]
</font>


Olivia
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 2,177
Top 100 Poster
Offline
Top 100 Poster
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 2,177
Good advice already, but let me add this.

True, cliches sometimes are part of hits on the radio..but chances are, those songs were written by
(1)staff writers
(2)the artist
(3)a friend of the artist
In any of these categories, songwriting rules/guidelines often take a back seat..

What you must remember is that an outside writer must actually write BETTER songs, especially in the case of staff writers, who are paid an advance salary against future royalties. If it's not better than the "in-house" staff, it doesn't stand much of a chance.

One more thing. To keep focused and to try and write more original lines, try this. Write down your title:
Dreamin' You Into My Heart

Now follow your title with
a mental <because>
Make a list of reasons why
These will be your verse lines

Good luck with it [Linked Image]

------------------
http://shayneman.proboards19.com/


Link Copied to Clipboard
Support Just Plain Folks

We would like to keep the membership in Just Plain Folks FREE! Your donation helps support the many programs we offer including Road Trips and the Music Awards.


Newest Members
LukeMeyers, KimBilbrew, AdamSadowski, NicoleRoss, RichardCarr
21,478 Registered Users
Forum Statistics
Forums118
Topics128,506
Posts1,183,062
Members21,478
Most Online124,837
Dec 25th, 2025
Just Plain Quotes
"Sharing in your success is the payback to those who shared in your failure." -Brian Austin Whitney
Today's Birthdays
Rob Bruce (56)
Popular Topics(Views)
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5