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Ria's got a point. I've also noticed several submissions that don't even indicate who the author is, other than an obscure screen name. Just wondering how that would affect judging, especially if one is selected as a winner.

Greg

hi, i'm also one of the proverbial "bandwagoners", and i signed up after getting the newsletter via email. i figured that it wouldn't hurt to throw my lyrics into the stack, either. i have a feeling that it's going to take some time to check out all the topics on the board, it seems to be kind of massive.
my questions, though, are about the lyric contest (hopefully i didn't miss the answer elsewhere):
who are the judges for the contest? are they also posters on the board who have a lot of posts behind them? the newsletter said that judging begins on 09/01, once all submissions are locked in. how long does everyone anticipate it taking to sort through them all? (i guess that kind of depends on the amount of submissions and the number of judges, huh)
anyway, thanks for taking the time to read this and for your help.

ja

Starfirefive,
Check out the post in this "forum" about the guidelines for submission and all mysteries should be solved! (Ps. It's the one with "0" replies.)
We the peoples will do the screening, and the final selections will be sent to da pros for the nitty-gritty.
Have fun a-pickin'!

Hello Everyone!
This contest sure has been running smoothly so far. I noticed a ton of "last minute" entries trying to beat the Saturday deadline!

I was reading that when voting time comes we can each pick the 5 five songs in order. Could one those songs be our own, or would that be disqualified?

I thought I'd pop that question in case it would come up. I guess in "real life", candidates can vote for themselves once, but of course this event may be different.

Also, which e-mail address do we use to send in our top five picks that we're voting for?

That's all for now,
Michael Borges

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[This message has been edited by Michael Borges (edited 08-28-2002).]

due to a keyboarding/computer error
my Lyric inadvertantly posted before I was thru ( I was trying to correct an error)

since I could not unpost I "posted" again
thus two entries for same lyric attempt

first one was not complete and in error

second attempt ok

thanks for all your hard work

Just my $.02 on a few of the comments above ...

You can't "unpost" but you can "edit" your post. Check jhust in case Ozone unintentionally deletes the second rather than the first ...

From the posting instructions:
"Remember, place full title, full names of writers/co-writers, date of copyright"

Lots of last minute posts going into the deadline - hope I can give them as much attention as I did reading the first four pages.

I don't see anything wrong for voting for your own lyrics - but right now mine haven't made my short list. I think policing this would probably be a nightmare anyway. Wonder if it will come down to one vote difference for the winner?



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Gary,
Weeeeeeell, okay then.......
Which version do you want deleted and which page is it on? (Answer these two questions and it shall be done.)

Regarding the rules for lyrics awards voting...

Call me paranoid - there are over 400 entries to date, so I'm guessing we'll have 500-600 by the end. I'm sure that most of us are honest, fair-minded folks, but it's possible that a few entrants might be sending out an email to their fan base that goes something like this:

"Hey guys - I entered my song "One Size Fits All" in the J.P. Folks contest, and if you all register and vote for it, then I can win the big prize in Los Angeles! And you can vote more than once - just register under all your e-mail addresses. Here's how..."

We've seen this kind of thing happen elsewhere - I'm thinking especially of the charts on mp3.com, particularly when they had the free pay-for-play program.

You might want to consider

- Limiting voting to only the members who submitted lyrics, or
- Limiting voting to only members who joined JPFolks prior to 9/1, or
- Maybe just an informal check of votes for the top nominees to see if something funny is going on...though I'm not sure how anyone could tell for sure

Any other ideas? I hate the idea of limiting voting, plus I don't know how techically feasible it is.

Or maybe the whole concept of this Just Plain Folks stuff includes learning to trust each other. We're all in this together, right?

Love,
Mike

Mike,

No need to worry. We're way smarter than the cheaters! = ) Precautions have been made and cheaters will be easy to see. Nuff said.

I am more concerned with folks taking the time to read all the entries. I think this might start to give the folks around here a tiny taste of what it is like to sort through not 400-600 but 100,000 songs and try your best to discover the best ones. I think it is a very important lesson and experience that everyone who participates will truly benefit from. In fact, I think there may be more value and benefit to the group at large from the voting process than the entering and getting nominated or winning.

I have gotten a songwriting education that could have been obtained in no other way than to have listened to thousands and thousands of great and not so great writers and artists each year. It allows you to see things so much more clearly when you understand the sheer amount of polished (and not so polished) talent out there.

I really think those that carefully read through the entries will have gotten a gift they probably didn't expect from all this.

Brian

Well, I've learned a lot Brian. I thought I'd be smart and kinda' keep up with the entries. Had almost 6 pages done and thought I was in good shape. Then in what , a couple days they throw 2 more pages at me. Got a lot more appreviation for what you all go through on the other entries. If people don't start rating before the contest is over, seems like maybe 5--600 entries might look kind of overwheming. (I think Judy or somebody mentioned doing a few at a time back in the comments a ways)

Like Wyman I have tried to keep up and at least check in twice a day to read. Then my modem got fried and I lost two days. Man, you talk about some catching up to do. Glad I been taking notes.<g>

You're right Brian, quite an educational exercise and eye opener in terms of appreciation for the judges efforts.

dawg

Yep, taking notes and a daily check is good, but my list is still long. And, hope I havent overlooked some gems. But, this is a wonderful experience in critical thinking and memory expansion. Jeannette

I am so glag I came in every day from day one and made my best so far choices. List has changed almost daily and low the rush is with us the task of keeping up is not all that daunting.
Well I gotta admit the swell today is taking a bit of riding. Nothing a good board can't handle.
Regards.
Graham

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Hi Everyone,
I also have been a memeber of JPFolks for a long time and because of fears and phobias finally had the courage to enter into the lyrics contest and am also hoping to get a spot at one of the showcases. Sometimes its really hard to expose your heart for others to critique when it is the very core of you.

Thanks for the encouragement!
Brenda

Greetings,

Should an artist's married name or stage name be used in submission?

Thanks for any information.



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"Happiness lies in the joy of achievement and the thrill of creative effort." FDR

http://www.mp3.com/colleengray
http://listen.to/colleen

Use the real name of the real writer on your lyric. The one that the PRO checks would be written to and the contracts would be signed in.

Brian

Hey Folks!
Some of youse may already have thought of this, but I didn't until just now! (DOH!)
Write the page numbers as headings to make it easier to find your "picks" should you wish to scroll back through to make comparisons. It's making it less of a looooong hunt (fer me, anyhoo).
Hang in and keep on reading, we DO need you to cast your faves, okay? (Ain't much point to this without your personal and invaluable input! )
Thanks to All!

Ozone and others,

I will be posting numbers for each post which will make location easier when the voting begins. I am ALSO going to extend voting until the end of September to give folks enough time to sort through all the entries. We won't be announcing the general nominees until late October is seems, so we have time for longer voting.

Brian

Yeah, I've been using Petes method, with the addition that I write down about how far down the page it is . Like 1/4, 1/3, !/2. 3/4
or whatever. That usually gets you within a half dozen or so. To be fair, you really need to do more that skim them, tho I admit that after a verse or 2 verses and a chorus
I often move on for the simple reason that thats as much as you'll get from a publ. or label. They say about 20 seconds is all you get and if it doersn't grab them by then, it's into file 13

hi again,
haven't seen an answer to this question (yet) although i'm sure that it's around here somewhere....
where do we submit our votes at?
talk to you soon!
ja

Deadlines sure do have a way of motivating people. In my best Arlo Guthrie imitation ...

Can you imagine 50 people -
50 people a day walk in, post their lyrics and walk out.
They'll think its a movement.
The Just Plain Folks anti-massacre lyric awards movement.

We'll just wait for it to come around again on the guitar ....




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Marty,

We accept entries all year long for the music awards. So, we ended up with about 7500 CD's this year entered.

Q. How many of those came in the last 2 weeks before deadline?

A. 6500.

= )

Brian

Dear Brian,
As anxioius as I ws to post my lyric, I forgot to add the copyright info

Can You Come Out & Play by Tina Honecker
c.@ 2001

my email is tinatunz@excite.com but I think that would show in the reply.

Thanks again for doing this for us.

Tina

Tina,

You need to add that yourself. Click the pencil and paper icon above your post. You can edit it in any way you want then.

Brian

Hello Brian!

Perhaps a silly question, BUT ... if, for some reason, we want to delete one set of lyrics and post a replacement, is this permissible?



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Xyra ...
www.mp3.com/xyra

xyra@aol.com

Xyra,

You can replace your own lyrics by editing them. But once the deadline passed (i.e. midnight tonight) whatever is entered is locked in. So you need to decide and act right away. Edit your post by clicking the pencil and paper icon above your post and you can change the text or delete it and enter new text entirely.

Brian

Hi there, I'm new to the forum part of this site. I always just went to the JPF music networking part until I got the email sending me this site with the forum.
My question is, just what is the 2002 Music awards? will it be on TV? is there a place on the site that tells more about it?
I did enter a song in the lyrics contest and have tried hard to go everyday and read those written by others.
I find this is very stimulating and rewarding to read what others have written. I'm looking forward to learning more as time goes on.
Thank You
NonnieJo

Hi Folks,

We are done with the entries for this year's Best Lyric Awards. Voting will take place throughout September. I am really pleased with the diversity and also with all the new folks who posted and got involved.

Any thoughts from all of you?

Brian

Hi Brian

I've spent some time scanning through the lyric entries and started to make a short list of those I think are good. I must say there is quite a few good ones. However I noticed that only the first 118 lyrics have got ID numbers, I guess the others will follow when time permits jpfolks to edit in ID numbers for the rest. Am I right?
Jan

Just an update to everyone:

Blake Hill has graciously agreed to finish the number assignment task that I couldn't get finished before leaving for the road today. It's a really tedious and time consuming job, so please thank Blake for me. I spent 5.5 hours doing 118 of them He got 100 done in an hour last night because he has a fast connection. (Yeah, I just have a dial up and now, from the road, even that is limited because I can't always sign on.)

Once Blake gets ALL of the lyrics assigned with a voting number, folks can start voting based on the guidelines posted. This should give you some time to read all the lyrics and take some notes on your favorites.

With over 500 lyrics posted, it reads like a full novel, so if you want to vote, keep that in mind. It is going to take some time investment.

We've already had a lot of people view the lyric entry pages and more are doing it every day. (We can even tell how many people have viewed all 11 pages by IP address, so it will be interesting to see how the votes match the views.)

So happy reading and voting! I will be checking in from the road to see how it is all going over the next 30 days!

And thanks again to Blake!

Brian

Well, reading these entries has been a good way to spend a rainy Labor Day weekend and getting back into music writing mode after a long summer off! And I guess I'm getting a taste of what reviewing submissions is like.

I am trying to read as many as I can out loud. I realize some lyrics may look better on the page than others (imagine reading Lennon/McCartney's "I am the Walrus" for the first time - Coo Coo Ca Jube??) and some will never be truly realized without music. But hearing how the words sound out loud may go further to revealing a lyric's true potential.

Hope you're having as much fun as I am!

Hi Brian,
It's probably too much to ask, but in my entry: All Ahead One Half on P. 11 . . . .
I left out "repeat refrain" after verse 2
but I'm hoping everyone will assume the repeat — that's why I called it a Refrain
rather than a Chorus.

Thanks very much!

Brian,
I tried to help Blake with the numbering but I am not authorized in this forum. I sent you an E but I am posting this here just in case you don't have time to read your mail.

JeanB

Hi Folks,

I think someone accidentally closed this topic by accident. (Ozone...? Blake...?)

This should stay open for folks to comment and ask questions.

Thanks!

Brian

Nope, 'tweren't me! lol
I've been very careful not to do ANY editing now that the deadline has passed.
I'm kinda afraid to post THIS!
-Nervous Nelson

I'm one of the "newcomers" and I was relieved to read that most of you offer encouragement for us as opposed to disdain. I was under the impression that this organization was designed to help us grow by putting advice, experience and potential connections literally at our fingertips.

I also don't know that I feel qualified to judge anyone's lyrics because I am in fact a "newcomer". I can tell you what may move me,but I have no clue about technical aspects. Any advice on this?

Finally, how can I tell if anyone has read my lyric and/or posted any critiques? I'm number 298 on p.6 - my song is Plan B...is there anybody out there???

Take care everyone,
Katrina

Katrina,

Voting is based only on what moves you, as it explained in the voting guidelines. So you are just as qualified to vote as anyone and your opinion is just as important as mine or anyone elses.

The lyric award entries are different than the other lyric feedback boards entries. In this one case, there are NO critiques or reviews or feedback on this board. The entries are there to be voted on, but if you want a critique of some type, you'll need to post a lyric on Lyric Feedback or Lyric Feedback 2 message boards. Then folks will post their thoughts and critiques.

Brian

I know this was asked by someone earlier, but it was never addressed. The question was, can we vote for our own song entry? I know that what he, and I, and probably everybody else really wants to know is this; Is it permissable, by the rules of this contest, to place a vote for your own material? Only the administrators of this board can answer that. I have looked and found no answer anywhere. Would you please address this at your earliest convenience?
I would also like to give many thanks to all of you who are behind the scenes making this possible. It has been very beneficial already, and I think you all deserve raises:-)
Sincerely,
David Van Kleeck

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http://www.soundclick.com/bands/crosstown.htm

David,

Read Brian's post (it's the long one in the middle of the page) at this URL and answers your question.

http://www.justplainfolks.org/ubb/Forum48/HTML/001452.html

Hello David!
Thanks for bringing up that question again...
"Can we put in a vote for our own song entry"?

I've been thinking about it, and here's a few of my initial thoughts:

1. If a writer's lyric is strong enough, it will get high ratings even if the writer doesn't vote for himself. Hence, by having a situation were lyric writers don't vote for themselves, the contest would provide them with a more objective result than if they had in any way "skewed" the results by having placed their song in first position and thereby gained that extra 5 points.

2. I don't think it would be necessarily unfair or unethical for a contestant to vote for himself, but I think that overall the results would be more realistic and helpful if we excluded the possibility of voting for our own submission. It would force each of us to look long and hard (if need be) to weigh all other submissions relative to their own worth in our opinion.

3. It would be very interesting if at some point we could all find out what our total point ratings was. Perhaps this could be listed at the top of each song entry next to the song ID number or title after the votes are in! Hence, everyone could at least get an idea of how their lyric rating compared to all the others. It would be fun to compare which lyrics got higher ratings to perhaps find a general trend to study!

I think that the overall process of the contest can be very rewarding in itself, even for those that don't rank "top 10%" and go on to the final levels of judging.

Frankly, I could see it go either way, but I think it would be great if the rules spelled it out clearly one way or the other. If not, I believe that some folks may take the liberty to vote for themselves while others would restrain, perhaps out of modesty or politeness, etc.

Again, if we could all get on the same page with this question, I think it would bring better and more useful contest results!

Let's see what Brian & Ozone Pete come up with!

Regards,
Michael Borges

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[This message has been edited by Michael Borges (edited 09-03-2002).]

Hi everyone

I have no views about if it's ethical or not to vote for our own songs, but if we all did, we would only vote for 4 songs leaving out 20% of songs that could be voted for and that is perhaps a little unfair. So come on let's vote for somebody elses, there's a lot of good songs out there in addition to our own.
Jan

Don't think Brian will mind if I copy his comments on the voting for yourself topic here so more people will see it and we can get on with voting for the BEST 5. Edited to include only the voting issue and not the entire post.

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4. Voting for yourself. Believe it or not, I have gotten several folks who have emailed me and asked if they could vote ONLY for themselves. ACK! I don't care who you vote for. Obviously there are 10-20 people who will be voting who probably SHOULD vote for themselves as ONE of the best lyrics. But if everyone did, it WOULD be like voting for 4 instead of 5. I will simply say again, vote for the 5 lyrics that MOVE YOU THE MOST. If that is truly your own lyric, then by all means vote for it. Everyone knows in their own head and heart what they should vote for. If you follow that.. it will be fair.

... this is a MEMBER Music award.. it's only as good and meaningful as WE make it. If we have to play games like give everyone a vote (which wouldn't actually have an effect on the final winner anyway) or make a rule that no one can vote for themselves, then we aren't giving much credit to our members. I have confidence that the vast majority of our members will make the right and fair decision on who to vote for based on their honest opinions.

If we have a few strays who think they can get a boost by manipulating their vote in some way, does anyone really think that same person is going to get a critical mass number of votes from everyone else? It won't likely happen.

In fact, I expect there will be a collection of lyrics that will clearly rise and separate from the pack leaving little to no question of which lyrics are considered in the top tier for the Awards. We see this in the regular music awards. A small collection of songs will separate from the pack. They always do.

The fact that this is a peer award given by a collective of 19,000+ peers would mean a lot to me.

5. If someone doesn't vote for 5 songs.. their vote values will be decreased accordingly. For example.. if you only voted for 1 song.. that song would only get 1 point instead of 5... if you voted for only 3.. the first place vote would get 3 points... That way you can't give your own song (or any other) more than 1 point head start if that is your goal. That's one of our hopefully clever safeguards to voting abuse. If everyone just votes honestly, 1 point isn't going to matter.. so voting for yourself is okay (and as I said SOME people would be 100% justified in voting for their own lyric.)

Just vote honest.. the rest will take care of itself. If I entered and did something to try and manipulate the results and actually got nominated because of it.. how hollow and meaningless would that be? Very. And I would have to wonder from then on if perhaps my lyric was actually deserving of getting their honestly.. or if I just cheated my way to success. I think if most folks think it through, they'll do the right thing.

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[This message has been edited by Marty Helly (edited 09-04-2002).]

1. There was a question about posting critiques of songs entered in the lyric contest, and the response was that, for lyric feedback, we should post to the Lyric 1/2 boards.

I had been thinking about posting my own top 5 choices, plus a list of honorable mentions (and was thinking that other members might like to do the same). Do you think this level of unsolicited feedback is appropriate? And if so, where is the best place to post it? Here?

2. In response to the following:

[QUOTE] It would be very interesting if at some point we could all find out what our total point ratings was. Perhaps this could be listed at the top of each song entry next to the song ID number or title after the votes are in! [END QUOTE]

I too would like to see how my song, and particular songs by others, did in the overall voting. I don't think the suggestion above is a good idea, because it could be publicly embarrassing for some, but how about this: make available a list of the songs IDENTIFIED BY NUMBER ONLY, ranked by number of votes.

Mike
New Middle Class

Hi Everyone, I guess I am addressing Mike's wonderings with this post. I have read every single entriy in this contest over the last month and I have also re-read, several times
forty two posts that I thought were out standing enough to warrant an extra long look. I also spent more time with the reading of those I know personally and those I know to be fabulous with words and lyric writing. To that problem, I will say this; Some of them did not make my list of forty. Not because the lyric wasn't well written, but, because as Brian noted, the words they chose to submit didn't move me. To say that I was moved by forty enrtries only means that there are some great writers in this contest. I took that list of forty, made it twenty and then I agonized over those twenty.
My lyric was still in because it moves me and I like it. Now, I am down to ten and I am stalled here for sure. This job of judge is miserable and I now appreciate what the mentors and others whose job it is to pick the final winners go through. Now with ten lyrics to sharply criticize, ruminate, digest,read and read again, I am never going to be sure if I picked the right lyrics to vote for. I love all ten of them for different reasons. If I can't decide between these entries, I may have a drawing from a hat--1-2-3-4-5 and just quickly vote and forget it. I know, Mike, What about the other five really great and deserving lyrics in the bottom of the hat? Should I post a little note that says, I almost picked these five as first place winners? Perhaps Brian would let us have a post to put up our Honorable mentions. NAAAAAA! not feasable, right? Even not necessary, because as he says, if we all vote fairly, then the top 50 lyrics will probably include our favorites anyway and we will see those numbers in the list of nominations to the mentors. OK, I feel better. Thanks for the chance to spout my agonies and my views and thanks Brian and staff, for a terrific chance to read some wonderful lyrics and to enter a loaded with competition contest "FREE". The winner will surely stand tall and proud. The judging is truly an enlightening experience for us all. Idamarie

I would feel uncomfortable about just posting all the voting.

It's not as useful as having an actual critique and it might be misleading. If a lyric gets few or no votes, you don't know for sure why. It could be bad, or it could be that there were many songs on the same topic (say 9/11) that were a bit better. The writer gets nothing constructive out of the vote except a bruised ego!

Also, if the goal is to discourage people from voting for their own lyric, well, suppose someone has lost a nomination by one vote? You can be sure next time he/she will vote for their own!

Instead, let's encourage people to post the same lyric later in the critique boards.

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Hi, MIke,
In response to point #1, I would prefer that we not post our top 5 favorites and critiques until AFTER the contest so as not to influence decisions based upon the critiques. IF,AFTER the contest, contestants wish to post their lyrics for critique on the feedback forums then that would be individual choice.
#2 It would be interesting after voting to find out where our lyric rated, in some way that was not too public or embarrassing and that Might stop new people from continuing to participate in JPF member boards. Perhaps, just standing for a top percentage, then we would know whether we rose to the top and were close contenders?

As for other comments regarding voting for oneself. I would prefer to leave that up to the membership to determine the top 5 and NOT vote for myself. Odds are, if our lyric is good enough to touch someone, it will receive some votes anyway, and, the judges have the final say. This is an industry of 'the right place, the right hook, the right time' I say, trust the process Jeannette

Thanks Brian,

Like I said, I'm new at all this. It's pretty overwhelming how many lyrics are to be voted on.

As far as voting for yourself, here's my 2 cents: I've always been taught to vote for myself because your victory may be determined by one vote, but in this case we aren't talking about 2 or 3 candidates or even 20, there are definitely way too many.

I think Jan made a good point, it's unfair to leave out 20% just to vote on ourselves. We're supposed to be determining if other people are moved by our work - we already know we are - hell,we wrote it didn't we?

Katrina

I agree with Jeanette on the above. Don't post critiques or comments on the submissions until the voting is over.

People post in the lyric boards when they want feedback. People posted in the awards because they wanted to compete. If they'd like feedback, they can repost in the lyric boards when the contest is over.

Given that there are over 500 submissions, I could see some very credible lyrics (like some of the 37 that made my "short" list) ending up getting minimal to no votes. After all, only a little more than 10% of the lyrics I really like will get any points from me. It might be worthwhile to know what the top 10% were but actually knowing the scores of all 535 submissions would give the wrong feedback to some great lyrics.

A little mathematical analysis - with over 500 entries and only selecting the top 5, there's less than a 1% chance that an individual is going to vote for you. If you assume 500 people vote properly (15 points each) and half of those are in general agreement on the top 10%, the average score for the top 54 submissions would be 70+ points, while the remaining 481 of us would have an average score of 7 points. For each one of those that scores 15, someone else gets a 0. All of which means 90% of the participants will be depressed to know their score. Keep it confidential.

Hello Everyone!
I would tend to agree with those that understand that most writer's already know what they think about their own song... hence, we shouldn't be "wasting" a vote on ourselves, unless we truly need a "handicap" to win!

Regarding the reporting of the final total counts per lyric entry...
Two options:

1. Your voting score could be posted publicly. It may not be all that bad, for example: If 90% of the folks end up with a score of say only 5 to 10 points, than 90% of us wouldn't have any reason to be embarrased cause we're really in this together and in THE SAME BOAT!

2. On the other hand, it would be interesting to see the 40 or 50 entries that manged to achieve a score of 70 or even better.
Even amongst those, only a small handful will win 1st, 2nd or 3rd place and of course only one out of those will win the "Grand Prize" award! I don't recall if they are planning any honorary mentions. (?)

If 90% of us win only a few points, that would be over 450 folks that have at least tried their best and are among very good company!

Since there seems to be a desire among most of us to be able to get at least some kind of feedback as to how we "rated", this might be the easiest and least time consuming approach. Otherwise, the administrators will have to deal with some 500 + individual e-mail inquiries and replies. We don't know exactly how many of us want to know, but I would bet on at least 50% or more!

In conclusion:
1. It would be more time consuming to provide a "private" e-mailed reporting service, but it may still be feasible and the main advantage is that everyone interested could find out how they did with no embarrasement!

2. The final score could be posted next to each song title and hopefully no one would feel hurt just because they recieved only a few or no points. Sometimes it's better to get at least some feedback than nothing at all!

3. As an alternative, perhaps a page could be set up for interested contestants to log in with their regular JPF UserName and Password to pick up their score in a private manor.
Many colleges and universites provide a reporting system like this for their students to pick up final exam results and class grades, etc.

4. I belive we could all be enriched if we could obtain and/or compare score results as a learning tool in the craft of lyric and song writing! (IMHO)

Regards,
Michael Borges



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[This message has been edited by Michael Borges (edited 09-04-2002).]

I'll throw my 2 cents in, and make it quick.
I agree wholeheartedly with brian, some of the lyrics here are very good and the writer SHOULD vote for their own. Just vote with your heart and be honest.
As far as posting the result for the non top 5, that can do as much harm as good, and personally i don't think that's a good idea. Those that are left out could get their egos bruised. Yeah, we have to have tough skin being writers, but alot of the writers posting here are new too and that has to be taken into consideration.
I don't think Brian should necessarily provide logins etc for us to view our results. The amount of time that would take I'm sure would be colossal. He's got thousands of cds to listen to as well for the song contests. I might be the only one, but i think it should be like any other contest, if you make top 5 you'll know, if you don't, you'll know.
I'm sure Brian would like to provide all these nice bells and whistles, but I'm ASSUMING (which means i could be wrong) that they just flat don't have the man power.

Just my humble opinions!

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