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Well, if you've been here that long, touting "opportunity in Nashville", then you're obviously the problem...

Well, there's conservatively speak I mg dozens of lurkers.

I could personally name half dozen. I know they are there, I think Gregory showed he's always been here.

But there is no genuine interest in other people.

At one time tgus site was full of people who wanted to hear people write good stuff, and push them towards it.

Genuiness is something you cant buy, its certainly not here, people only talk about people in thre clique.

O offer honest opinions and it has only served to hurt me here.

Doesn't change my writing, but it changes my 3dperiejcechere.

Theres no want to improve, everybody wants the song done with a video so that saying something about song is moot.

Not everybody wants critiques, that's fine, but nobody believes some of the crap they praise here.

Its critiquing the person not the song.

Rob b, Ben, Marty, Gil guy, they have no interest in being genuine or fair.

But that's ok the better songwriters of yesteryear here would got it.

But until you peel away the bullshit there will never ne compelling content here

You hide behind a fake name and fake music. At least I'm a real person. I'm so sorry you life is so empty that this is your only outlet to be mean to others. I highly doubt you are mean to people in person, cus it would not be a good outcome. You're just a coward and refuse to be happy so you want everyone else to be miserable.

Not me, I'm still happy! (smile)

Dude, do you have spell check???

I need to know... "fake name and fake music...?"
What exactly is that supposed to mean?

Fine, tell me your real name and post a song with YOU singing and YOU playing a song YOU wrote.

Mic drop.

OMG...

Honey, if you weren't so fuk'n self absorbed you would already know...

Its not spelling its typos. It automatically corrects and types something tou didn't type.

And my reply doesn't matter anyway.

Instead of saying that.... you could have been involved in the creative force here.

I think you just proved why the site sucks

...lol

What force?

She posts her own songs constantly, no interest in anyone else.

Its easy to pick out, she's not the only one.

But when I critique them the site is something different.

Bottom line not enough people, and not enough serious people.

Japov I dont know what yiur on about...

Your worse, your not even here for music

I bet yiu don't even know why you're here

Lol... You're right, Dom. Now I'm just like everyone else. I gave up writing last year. Now I just watch... listen now and then... argue...

I'm just waiting. I just wanna' see how this place finally fuk'n dies.

It will die when the bill stops being paid

You're wasting your time Kay-Lynn . Go to song town... No I have not given up . Give up to what HBO ?

I quit posting here ain January and you are still bringing up my name in a desperate attempt to generate troll food to feed on.

I left so that you could build this site according to your vision for it.

Your reasons for it's decline are ridiculous and ignore the true causes of this site's issues.

This site is waning because of what is allowed to go on here. It is that simple.

Step back and look....

This lamentation post is attended by 3 personalities, who are all hacking away at each other.
Those same 3 personalities have been banned from participation at another site.
The dots connect themselves.

I also see, that in another post you stated that this site has hit rock bottom and that you are outa here.
You are rock bottom and, and as always, you are still here.

I repeat, you are rock bottom.

Stop bringing my name into it.

You know music is dead when AI has to create its own teenage performers to present its own digitally contrived crap...

AI cannot make music. AI can only control the industry by saturating the market. Very much the same as users operate right here, right now.

Like vultures circling the carnage for any inspiration they can find... because legalizing plagiarism is the only recourse they have left.

Sad... In retrospect, it seems making music online was always doomed to this...

Your argument is based on the faulty assumption that music unites. I could argue the opposite.

Music is often called a universal language, but it frequently separates people along lines of genre, generation, and geography. Musical taste becomes a social marker: fans of different styles form distinct cultural groups, reinforcing in-group identity while excluding others.

Generational differences deepen the divide, as the music people grow up with shapes their identity and often feels alien to those outside that cohort. Geography also creates musical loyalties—regional scenes and traditions that do not easily translate elsewhere.

Rather than uniting everyone, music often highlights cultural differences and clusters similar people together while excluding others.

As for you with your “why don’t we all get along” fairly tale façade, your passive aggressive behaviour contributes to the continued downfall of this site. You claim to be a bringer of peace and then you say things like, “You're just a coward and refuse to be happy so you want everyone else to be miserable.”

You’re like a clown with a fake happy face who throws a bomb into a room and then claims that other people made it explode.

At least the a$$holes on this site – including me – know that they are being a$$holes. You have zero self awareness of your own behaviour which is why you don’t understand why you were kicked off one songwriting site, and why waving your little magic wand on this site does not bring peace.

It’s pretty hard to ask for peace when you are the one shooting the gun.

OH $HIT, Kay!
Looks like BB's got your number, baby lol

Don't be TOO HARD on her though, BB.
By mere virtue of her gender, I'm certain she has grown quite accustomed to being treated like royalty online...

In fact, her strategy hasn't changed in 20yrs.

I have no idea what you're talking about Dom and why you have me in this conversation , I've always encouraged you to go to a studio in New Jersey. its obvious Tony has PTSD going on and should deal with at the veterans hospital . I

ts really no big deal you practice for a week then drive to the studio and lay a vocal down , fairly easy and your out in a half hour . Nashville mixs it and you're done . or say New Jersey Studio would mix it

Dom,
I've said a lot of good things about some of the songs you've posted here. But, I've also posted some negative comments. That's genuine and fair. Nobody's perfect Dom. Not even you. If you post something that I think is weak, I'll tell you. You may have noticed that I've stopped commenting your songs because you seem to take everything I say personally. I prefer to say nothing rather than praise you for writing a song I don't like.

You quit posting? Couda fooled me. Yo u have never dignified me in such a manner, that I should give a fack about you.

Yet, I have honored your request to not mention you, where did it get me? More jarrassment, more singling out, more mentioning me as a villain.

Your such a fackin punk not even worth arguing.

My reasons for the decline of the site are 100% pure.

Social media took away most good members. Undeniable truth

Cliques, when there were hundreds of members cliques could co exist. When there are 10 people and 5 are in a clique.that eliminates participation.

Undeniable fact.

Additionally generic bullshit comments, are meaningless, offer no incentive for anyone thinking about sharing. If everybody gets the same comment its meaningless.
People say [naughty word removed] it... let me fish

Undeniable fact.

People write for a reason, they wanna know what others think... Undeniable fact
They have to know the lame reactions are meaningless.

Undeniable, indisputable facts.

You even colluded in the political threads only your few cronies were allowed to partipate.

This is how the site got here.

Why you went to muse posting songs about loved ones so nobody c a n say anything

Learn how to write jackass




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This is not about Dom, its about everyone.

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Think whatever upside-down-and-backwards nonsense that makes your world seem right, ACE.

But if you want me gone from here, leave my name out of it...and you and the like-minded can reshape this site with no interference from me.

[quote=Sunset Poet]Think whatever upside-down-and-backwards nonsense that makes your world seem right, ACE.

But if you want me gone from here, leave my name out of it...and you and the like-minded can reshape this site with no interference

Mellow dramatuca.....

Look I dint give a [naughty word removed], im embarrassed to be still coming here.

Im gone let the chips fall where they will

Dom, I critique songs. You’re attacking people. That pretty much says everything. I’m not interested in this kind of exchange.
I wish you well.
I can assure you, I never posted a song about a loved one over at Muse.

Are you Marty?

Oh, I wasn't aware of the fact that you can't read. How can you write songs if you can't read?

I wonder if this is what the thousands of 'Viewers' see, when they come to this site, this thread as an example, and why they don't post.
Look at the number of people 'Viewing' on the various threads; 100's, sometimes 1,000's.
I've had private messages asking, 'What the hell's wrong with...' and naming the poison penmen who seem to develop verbal argument, insult, and name-calling, consistently, every thread they get involved in, their own, other peoples'.
I find in all internet interactions it is best to ignore trolls.
Let their one-liner post stand there, all by itself, without response.
Others go down a 999 back and forth comment stream led by the troll, occupying their time with a troll who, by about ten comments in, shows they're not interested in the subject under discussion, just the argumentive exchange.
And nobody else reads all that back and forth, to hear your brilliant retort at #197. Nobody but you and the troll.
I read the horrible name-calling on a thread the other day and thought, "Well isn't he a dirty pri---" and I stopped in the middle of a single syllable word with the insight, "Hurt people, hurt people."
That fella's so 'hurt' he thinks its okay to hurt other people, total strangers, out there in cyberspace.
I remember my first troll insult. I felt bad about myself for days. Then it dawned on me, 'What do I care about what that stranger, out there in the world, thinks of me?' What people think of me is none of my business.
There's so little discussion of Song-Writing there's no need for comment, no opportunity for comment.
When there is discussion of Song-Writing it seems to degenerate in the argumentive mode and leave Song-Writing behind, consistently.
People are so miserable they bend the arc of attitude in their comments into their own misery, unable to escape the circular thinking, the button-pushing of their own psychology, the repeat 'loop' of thought processes, they can't manage to escape on their own.
Either they never cared much about Song-Writing in the first place, or they are simply mired in their own life circumstances they apply that psychological mindset to everything else, inevitably engaging in conflict. Conflict at home. Conflict at the grocery store. Conflict in traffic.
Conflict is a great device in fiction, the Love-Triangle, the Other-Man/Other-Woman Character, making for an interesting story.
It works in the fiction of Song-Writing too, the Singer-Character, the Love-Interest Character, the 'Other' Characters.
Song-Writers, Label personnel, Publishers, the industry as a whole, stand on the claim that it's all been said before, that you can't write a 'new' angle on a Love Song, a Ballad. Or a 'conflict' storyline.
Even the cryin'-in-my-beer Songs feel played out. They sucked anyway. Repeats of woe is me, booze, and a story that goes nowhere.
Once you close the door, 'knowing' no one's coming, no one comes.
Songs float on by in the Cosmic Flow, and maybe catch in someone else's head, and they write a great new Song, the rest of us never hear, unless they somehow get it on the radio. Then, we agree, in big numbers, and say so with money paid to hear it again, ticket sales, other merchandise, because that Song-Writer was open to the possibility.
Possibility.
You have to believe in possibility.
Maybe... something. Maybe... someone. Maybe... I should not keep the door closed so much.
Maybe... I should go out there with a positive expectation of... possibility.
Maybe people need lifting up, instead of tearing down.
Maybe I can be a positive note in the hellsong they just came out of.
Maybe something could happen to change the world, my little part of it, if I didn't have my head stuck in my own beliefs, my own despair, my own prejudices, predications, attitudes, aggressions, preferences, self-righteous assurance that I know what's important and there isn't anything to learn today, because I learned everything yesterday.
Maybe I can just step out of my own misery, leave that back at the house, and just have a positive vibration to share in the Cosmic Flow.
Write Lyrics. Pick up your instrument. Play and see if there's something new.
No? Fine. Yes? Fine. Check back later. The Cosmic Flow's like that.
But do that rather than peeing all over the rest of the world!
That guy you didn't acknowledge, that girl you didn't speak to; they had those stories to inspire your Songs. Maybe more than that.
The world's full of stories, waiting to be Songs, ways to say what's always been said, and to say it again in a Lyrical way, in a Melodic way, with 'arrangement', the accompanying music, that entertains you, the first listener. Others need that entertainment.
Hey! Maybe that's part of the problem. You're thinking. You may even be writing it down. Or maybe you're not. Or you're playing. But you're not listening. So you don't 'catch' those Songs from the Cosmic Flow. You don't pluck them from the trees where they grow. You don't answer the door you closed to possibility. Yeah. Maybe that's what happened here.

I went to refill my water jug before coming back intent to proofread before I posted.
I sang this Line 1, to a Melody, and thought it worth exploring.
Songs are just there, aren't they?

"How I Hate" copyright March 8, 2026 by Gary E. Andrews

{Verse I)
You don't know, How I Hate, to let you go.
Time has come, to ease me on, down the road.
I can't stay, here knowing what I know.
(Chorus Refrain)
How I Hate, I hate to let you go.

(Verse II)
I can't see, any way, for me to stay.
I can't win! I can't place! I can't show!
Broken hearts, leave me no, place to play!
How I Hate, I hate to let you go.

(Bridge)
Please! Please, forgive me when I'm gone.
I, never meant, to do you so, so wrong.
You and him, once my friends, now my foes.
How I Hate, How I Hate, to let you go.

(Repeat VI)
"You don't know, How I Hate, to let you go.
Time has come, to ease me on, down the road.
I can't stay, here knowing what I know.
(Coda)
How I Hate, How I Hate, to let you go.
How I Hate, How I Hate, to let you go.

You quoted me talking ro Marty, defending yourself saying you never wrote a song about blah blah, first.

Im not insulting anyone its all fact, there is no saving this place beyond the clique, so you can pretend to have it.

I domt care

No, the ONLY thing people see when they visit, is a bunch of ignored songs, and some with responses in it.

Then they look at the songs and say..
Why the he'll would that song create interest but much better stuff ignored.

Then it dawns on them, the site is not about talent, or craft or good songwriting, or working on becoming better.

Its about 5 A holes making it about themselves.

And somehow they believe what they've created.

It would not have happened 10 15 years ago, there were elder people who were just as interested in hearing you than having you hear them.

And thus, the onlooker says fack this

Hey Gary,
Time has come to ease me down the road might flow better.

I like your chorus line. You might want to think about expanding it a bit to give it more lift:
How I hate, Lord I hate to let you go
But a man can't stay where he don't belong
How I hate, Lord I hate to let you go

Yes, Gary... You guessed it... I DISAGREE!

If I can't post anything here without being trolled, and the moderators are too stupid to notice...

THEN I WILL GIVE THE FUK'N TROLLS WHAT THEY WANT!!!

It's laughable that you keep referencing the visitor numbers to this site...
You know damn well those numbers are BULL$HIT!

The wrong people keep getting blamed for the "TRUTH" disappearing on this site, and you just want to lecture the last few remaining members about their attitude...

Yeah, you're the one I saw calling another member the worst of the worst names the other day.
You're one of the ones who seems to poison every thread you engage in.
I pointed some people at you, telling them I was hearing guitar work second to none.
They came back and said, "Yeah, but..."
Something about a dark undercurrent, not clearly expressed in your Lyrics, but there. I heard it too, but that guitar work.
I'd appreciate it if you'd quit pissing all over the threads.
You're so unhappy here I wonder why you keep coming.
You're one of the hurt people who hurt people.
I'd help you if I could but you have to help yourself. You're very deep in your misery. I suspect you can't get out, that you have given up and think this is as good as it's ever gonna get.
What possible 'reward' can you find here that keeps you coming back?
It's too late for me to help you. I'm an old man. I can't be your therapist. You can't reach out of the hole you're in. Or can you?
You can't be happy with your experience here. Why do you keep coming? Is this all you have to do? Is there no other pursuit worthy of your time, more beneficial to you than this? Why not just create your product and not communicate with anyone?
Yes, you're the troll in question. One of them. I long ago identified one of your favorite fighters as the common denominator in threads that consistently became argumentative when he participated. I called him out on it. He chilled, for a while. Then he found you and you played his game. Your mutual misery is palpable, unpleasant to experience as a Viewer'. I began to ignore anything the two of you posted, your own threads, your urine in everybody else's.
Others came and you formed a triumvirate, sometimes a quadrangle of guys insulting each other, talking [naughty word removed] far away from Song-Writing.
I'm just another member. It's not my place to mediate. Maybe I should have asked you all to stop pissing in the stream way back then, and definitely the other day, but I don't have time and energy for such 'personnel' management.
If you want 'help' with your misery you should try to be open to it. Self-manage. Quit being a constant prick. No one can help you if you can't help yourself.
I'll bet you'll have a lot to say about this 'lecture', won't you? You can't help yourself. This is what you're looking for; conflict, a focus for your misery, something outside yourself, where the real focus is.
Say, how DO you do that great guitar work? It really is second to none.
There was a tv show for a while called "Parker Lewis Can't Lose". The soundtrack playing in the background was incredible. Yours was like that, back before I quit listening to your work.
Oh. And the 'Views' aren't legit? I have no way of knowing. The robots seem to like it here, search engines, probably AI now.

oh writing songs , go to studio once in awhile ..Thats pretty good Gary

I like you Gary, yiu have been consistent and true to whst the site is.

I but theirs no saving this place, beyond what it currently is. I think you've been here during the feast periods as well as now


I honestly don't think anybody knows why they still come here.

Theres nothing to be had, I think it's jist cause we've invested slot of years in it, hard to just take off.

The ones who left didn't have that problem.

Best to examine ourselves and see how we fare without it.

Im just about done, and when I reach done, I wont be lurking.

Those are the only people more pathetic than myself, people who cant leave, even though they've convinced themselves and others they have.

Can't imagine the point of lurking.

But we all need to move on, this is the lowest form of existence.

I have to give you the benefit of the doubt now, Gary... Because you're the first one to genuinely ask; Although, I'm very surprised you haven't caught on already.

I've been saying for years,"There are a certain few on this site who are only intent on disruption," and this is not the first site they've destroyed.

They are an organized clique of online trolls who made this their mission many years ago. They work in tandem, starting stupid arguments among themselves with intent to draw others in.

The first time I began calling them out is when I started noticing non-productive members across many sites, all with the same writing styles (idiosyncrasies), arguing about the same crap under different names; Usually liberal political issues.

I've been confronting them since SW101 and I see no reason to stop. They are relentless. Ignoring them is not a viable strategy. Consider what Dom just posted;

What's funny is that they're always easy to spot, always blaming moderators for allowing "divisive/disruptive subject matter"(which they propagate), and always dog-piling on me because I've never tried to hide.

There's a moderator at "The Muse" who calls himself Kuya, that recently denied me admittance to the site.
I was not "banned".
My account request was denied without explanation.
Since there aren't many active songwriting sites left now, with a minimum of investigation, you can easily find many familiar characters congregating there.

It's intersite political warfare, Gary, and even Brian warned me about it the day I arrived here.

Yes, I am disabled. I really don't have much else to do. I can't play long sets anymore and I can't drive at night.
I don't hate the site or the craft, Gary. But, I despise those who have been blaming "ME" for all the disruption simply because I'm a hypocritical Christian, and I refuse to use AI or pay for studio time...

If it's my language that truly bothers you... please consider,
I am the veteran Christian sailor son of a Marine. I've been cussing all my miserable fuk'n life.
But, I've never had any reason to lie.

Well, is this better than normal not having much to do?

This place is preventing the advancement of civilization.

There has to be other things to do, get a dog, record, watch porn, watch sports.

Nobody is to blame, you could argue that the non sense keeps the site going.

People have proven over and over and over that they'd rather tall politics, talk about most subjects ahead of music.

Theres no real songwriters or musicians left.

Anybody good is gone.

I assure you if you stay away, no lurking, it won't take long to say why was I there.

A Divide And Conquer 'Culture' emerges from time to time in Human history.
The whole world has had to stand together to stop it, many times.
It can emerge in a family, a workplace, any 'unit' where people are supposed to work together, a Song-Writing site in cyberspace.
There emerges an individual, who attracts other individuals, pro and con, and they divide among themselves, and then bleed into other members of the unit, dividing, thinking they're conquering.
Socrates said to new students, "Speak, that I may see you."
The dividers speak, and we see them. We divide, some joining in the rhetoric and exchange, others, going away, quietly, without us knowing they were observing, reading, seeing, hearing, deciding, dividing.
Some individuals complain about it, and then dive right in, divided, conquered of their own volition.
Writing Songs. What is there to be 'divided' about. I like it. I don't like it. I can offer suggestions. I can't offer anything.
I can, I do. I can't, I move on.
Every Song is a learning experience, educating the Song-Writer toward the next Song, if they are studious. Other Song-Writers can help them see the flaws, see the gems, make fewer mistakes, create more gems, if... that big little word... if there's unity of purpose, not division and self-indulgence.
Members of the 'unit' don't insult, call people names, become engaged in argument that is no longer about the 'Song', 'steal' the original post of the member to indulge in their mood of the moment.
For the person posting, finally finding the courage and bravado to take a chance, the Divide And Conquer Culture becomes a negative that turns them away.
Choices an individual member makes affect other people, emotionally.
A laughable Lyric, a vocal execution that lacks the skill of the greats, whatever one's personal opinion is, you don't have to express it at all. You could just move on. Totally optional.
Some opt to turn it to feces, walk in it, handle it, rub it on their own faces and the faces of others who have no idea why you're being so cruel.
It's self-indulgence, literally the mood you're in that day. And indifference to that 'effect' you 'cause' in someone, sight-unseen, out there in cyberspace, living in their own personal hell, and trying, through Song-Writing to find a little joy in that personal life experience.
But some are so focused in their own 'human condition' they can't find empathy for the cyberspacers. It's all about 'me', 'my' experience today.
One of you posted wanting all the other 'members' to Vote about them, as if we've all been following along in the s--tstorm of your conflicts and have an opinion on which of you is the bigger s--thead. We haven't, or at least, I haven't. I moved on. In fact, when I see the Divide And Conquer Culture member's name I don't even click on that thread. I may look to see if some other member posted the original thread, and then open it. Or, sometimes, I know I've see the last person commenting was one of the Divide And Conquer Culture, and I'm not interested in seeing what they had to say. I don't expect to see them talk about Song-Writing, or offering feedback. I have an expectation to see insult, name-calling, division.
If it's such an unpleasant experience you feel you have to confront, why come here? Why make all the rest of us experience it from your point of view? Why not just move on, find something you can comment on from a positive point of view. Enrich your own experience instead of ruining someone else's.
I'm sure there have been people who come here, become official 'members', and then never post, and I speculate that it is because of the experience they have as they read what happens in too many threads, the Divide And Conquer Culture take over, hijack, make it unpleasant.
Enough. Too much. If you have to pee, go to the privacy of your bathroom. Don't do it here all over everybody else's shoes.

That's it then.

You're all of one "psycho-social mind" in this particular time, and I'm the reprobate who shouldn't be disturbing your collective indulgences...

Everything I do is "piss".

You live in a very small world, Gary.

Wow Gary. That was very well-said.

Only took 2000 words, songwriting is about saying as much as possible with as few words as possible.

If this was a songwriting site, and people were working on craft, it could have been much more effective
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If anyone would have listened they could have improved, they didn't want to, they thought they were already there.

Well, im done here.

Learn something

AI Overview
This statement is a cornerstone of effective songwriting, often described as the art of maximizing emotional or narrative impact through the
economy of language. Unlike prose, a song has limited time (typically 3–4 minutes) to connect with a listener, making every word, syllable, and pause critical.
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Here is a breakdown of why this principle is essential and how it is applied:
Why Fewer Words Matter
Songs are "Small Things": Songs cannot support extensive subplots or large casts. They work best when focused on one central idea or emotion.
The Iceberg Theory: Similar to Hemingway's writing style, a great lyric implies a deeper, unspoken meaning rather than spelling everything out, allowing the listener to fill in the blanks with their own imagination.
Musical Synergy: Lyrics that are too wordy can clutter the melody, harmony, and rhythm. A concise lyric allows the music to convey emotion, freeing up space.
Higher Impact: A "sharp" lyric—one that has been edited down to its absolute essence—is more memorable and human, transforming raw emotion into a powerful, concise statement.
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Techniques to Maximize Meaning
"Show, Don't Tell": Rather than telling the listener, "I am sad," describe the scene, such as, "The room felt heavy, and the walls closed in".
Use Specific Details: Instead of general statements, use concrete imagery. Instead of saying "sad," walk through the physical, mental, or emotional experience of that feeling.
Leave Out Filler Words: Remove "uh," "oh," "baby," and other filler words that only exist to fill a beat, unless they are crucial to the emotion.

Gary, I normally don't read things that are that long, but it was well thought out so I did. I don't disagree with your post at all.

https://soundclick.com/song/15069756

People, places, dreams and new faces, good times, sad times, memories and lies uncontested
Always searching, looking for that feeling, big city life, time and miles wasted
Looking for that... feeling, seems that I'm dreaming
Where's that simple life and that pot of gold
Where's my rainbow

What do we expect from life, money love or an easy way out
How do we know know what's wrong or right, who told you what life was about
Oh, I wonder...

Giving taking mending and breaking, nothing you can do in this life lasts forever
Growing changing, things rearranging, looking for that place where they say that they've got it made
Oh that feeling, seems that I'm dreaming
Where's that simple life and that pot of gold
Where's my rainbow

Why do we laugh, why do we dream, why do we fight or hold a grudge
Why do we question authority, who gave us the right to judge
Oh, I wonder...

People places dreams and new faces, lost souls longing for all that may never be there
Love and compassion, a timeless fashion, shared with another so we may discover that place we're all dreaming of
Looking for that feeling
That simple life, that pot of gold
That rainbow

When I'm so old that I can't stand up, I bet I'll know when I'm dying
When I was young I wished I had the wings of a dove
But do the birds even know they're flying...
Oh, I wonder...

But I'm just another Christian a$$hole...

The irony of this is that this thread is a micro-cosm of what's wrong eith the site.

Responses, genuine interest, but with song its lacking
What a tool Marty is huh?

Lets bring his name up again.

Well, you 5 regs have created your playing field.

Enjoy, this is my last thread.

What a dumb mutha facka Marty is

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Look how long and in depth people are willing to go on with this discussion.
It's all about the arguments, the trolls trolling each other, the emotions, and far from Song-Writing.
I don't like it when this bleeds over into other posts, and I sincerely feel the fact some people have these arguments on this site scares off new Viewers. They see this and don't want to risk being assaulted. They don't see benefit. They see negative emotions.
I leave you to it.
If I were the King of the World I'd ban some of you, citing your consistent presence in taking threads to hell with your insults and name-calling.
Just write some Songs, and maybe don't talk to each other.

No, you were spot on to begin, but then you drank the cool aid, EXACTLY, look how willing to partipate in this.

It shows that were dealing with people who are nor very musical or into it, they are here to socialize

Marty

Have we all just given up?
by Kay-lynn Carew

I sure wish all you a-holes would...
BECAUSE I'M NOT FUK'N GOING ANYWHERE!!!!!!!!!


I could easily load this thread with all my own complaints, excuses, and opinions about how this site should be moderated...
But, I'm really fed-up with all that.

I'm bored with all the Bull$hit finger pointing and retaliation.
I have a legitimate grievance, and I've asked a legitimate question;

"When is it acceptable to draw your line and say, "Damn'it, I'm not taking any more crap off this troll!"
"When is a grown man expected to draw back, punch a bully square in the mouth, and say, "Go fuk'yerself!"

The reason I ask is because, despite my Christian leanings, the soldier in me has always known precisely where that line is, and refuses to be ashamed...

What say the rest of you?

I want a legitimate answer for a specific question... and if my unbiased honesty has offended your politically correct sensibilities,
FUUK YOU!


https://soundclick.com/song/15111523
Let's smash the computers
Throw away the phones
Reconnect with sunshine
Air out our homes
Teach girls to be women
Raise boys to be men
Make peace with creation
And love to live again

Oh deary deary me, it’s true. I have been slammed here again.
(at the end of this writing I will give you a lucid mind’s view of what is going on at this site)

Even though I havent posted anything other than to tell trolls to leave my name out of conversation here, ACEINTHEHOUSE troll#1 is having an episode and brings me into a conversation that I wanted nothing to do with, nor cared about subject or outcome.
Why does Dom do that? Because Dom is a troll and the arguments are what feeds him, not the songs.
Therefore, if he can't find one, he'll create one.

And after a scan, I noticed that some guy named Gary who I have never interacted with at all made reference to me.
SIDENOTE: Dear Gary,
dysfunctional personalities always think that everybody agrees with them. The trolls and addled personalities here were constantly telling me that everybody wanted me gone. I took a poll to prove to them that there was no “everybody.”

Then, after the preaching Christian, Japov called a female here a c-unt, I said that’s enough pointless dumbfuckery for me. I’m gone.

I joined another songwriting site SPECIFICALLY because JAPOV and Fdemetrio were banned from it. They will say that they are not “banned,”...but they are. The other site has sensible rules regarding name calling and off topic discussions, that the mods enforce. I am happy to comply with all of those rules, and as at the other dozen or so sites where I interact, I quietly blend into the background. And the regulars there are, from what I have seen, very well meaning people.
The benefit is that JAPOV and FD are unable to drop in on threads and start hurling insults because that site has the sense to keep them out.

THE PROBLEM HERE;
JAPOV and FD are not the real problem at this site.
Bringing them to task is futile and has been for years.

QUESTION: How many Christians do you know that would call a woman a c-unt on a public forum?

They are a couple of warped and wretched personalities who aint ever gonna fix.
They will do what they do wherever that they are given a chance. Years of history evidence that.
They are effectively just barking dogs.

This site belongs to Brian Whitney. What goes on here is whatever he and his moderators allow to go on. JAPOV and FD and all of their insults are here because Brian allows it. The other site knows that their toxicity will harm the site, so they put a stop to it. Brian and his mods don’t. So they own it.

Gary,
Rather than a lengthy and rambling and verbose instance of virtue signalling with a broken troll, you should address Brian. But you won’t because, he is your emperor with no clothes.

THE TAKEAWAY
As long as this site lets 2 trolls run amok and at whim, and does not ban Tony and FD…
And as long as addled personalities are encouraged to spew whatever they love or hate about Donald Trump, blue v red politicians etc

or proselityze,

there is no reason to believe that this site will ever have a polite and productive atmosphere conducive to songwriting or anything else.

If you ever have a group of people assembled for their mutual benefit and you decide you want to destroy the effort,

Let trolls run amok
Encourage political conversations
Encourage religious conversations.

I doubt that anyone here is going to agree with what I just wrote, and that is why nothing will change here. It makes too much sense not to be true.

Good luck with it and please leave me out of the idiocy here.

SP