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It signals Trump that phones are ringing.

Now my arm is hurting time to call the Army doctor again , Got any Zantac . Nope not for you. Thanks for your service. Nice big picture of Trump , with lightening he looks like Jesus on that wall. I told some vet next to me , does he look like Jesus ? Yes he does

Marty, you claim I’m bashing Trump in this song. I’ve gone over my lines again and again.
- In the song I never named Trump
- It doesn’t reference Trump in any Trump-specific events, scandals, quotes, or controversies
- It doesn't contain language unique to him (“MAGA,” “orange,” “fake news,” etc.)
- It doesn’t accuse any identifiable person of a specific crime

Can you point out where you think I’m bashing Trump?

Rob.


I have already.

EXPLANATION 'A'
The matter has been reviewed, reasons given, and the conclusions incontrovertible. As stated before, there are no avenues for appeal.

Got it — so you can’t actually point to any Trump-bashing in the lyrics.
Instead, you’re assuming I must be doing it because of things you think I’ve said in the past.
That means your claim about the song was baseless from the start.

Rob

I'm not going to deal in school girl hide-and-seek lies. I've clearly explained this in this thread alone. Reread it.

Re: Explanation A

Marty, all of this back-and-forth seems aimed at tearing down my thread and my song. From the start, your claims about “Trump-bashing” have been baseless. That's typical Marty-like.

Explanation A

Marty, we agreed you would stay out of my threads when they’re not about Trump. Yet here you are.

Verse 1 is a trump bash Rob. We both know that. And this is your little hide and seek game. We both know that.

Understand the following,
If you write a lovely song dedicated to your wife or a lovely tribute dedicated to someone that you know that passed away.. I will leave it alone.
However, if you post a song that has even the slightest whiff of political stank about it, then I will unilaterally decide if it is open season on retort and rebuke.

Freedom of speech. You're free to put whatever you want up. I'm free to comment on it at will.
Having said that, even though I think political speech is a forum killer, I enjoy engaging in it and have enjoyed engaging in this opportunity that you provided to talk about the actions of a king that overlays Trump precisely. The coincidence of that begets other opinions.

Thank you for this post.

Marty

Verse 1? Come on, Marty — you’re kidding me:
- “He once said, ‘Open up the files’”: Could be any politician calling for transparency.
- “Back before the crown was his”: A common metaphor for gaining power; even the German people refer to Chancellor Merz metaphorically as a “king.”
- “Before the power changed his view”: A universal theme: leaders promising openness, then becoming guarded. Presidents, prime ministers, kings, CEOs — all have this trope.

Where exactly am I bashing anyone? Your claim is baseless. Others in this forum see it the same way; you’re the only one interpreting this as Trump‑bashing.
And for the record, disagreeing with your interpretation doesn’t justify personal insults.
You’re free to comment at will — but please don’t make promises to stay out of non‑Trump threads and then break them, and don’t turn disagreements into personal attacks.

Rob,

Do you really think that you are going to render me lost in the trees, unable to see the forest?

In this case, it only takes one to tango. I don't need your permission to dance.

If I unilaterally decide that you are bashing Trump or making a political post, I do not require your permission to respond to it.

In addition to that you are trying to play this little cat and mouse game where you veil your political ramblings, behind the pretense that they are just allegorical fictional characters. They arent. We both know it.

So I've got you trying to bind me to an agreement while trying to mouse-trap me at the same time.
You dont have that sway here.


Let's take it further...
For the sake of argument, let's say that you really believe what you are saying and V1 was never intended to be a veiled Trump bash.

But then, I look at it and see direct parallels, that lo and behold, look coincidentally but unmistakably like Rachel Maddow regurgitations. Just based on the coincident appearance I will define the argument and offer counterpoints. I'm saving Democracy.

Marty is not bound by any agreement wherby Rob grants (or not) permission to Marty to respond to allegorical content that appears to be current political propaganda...or anything else.

You post something and I decide its political, then its fair game for comment and retort.

Now, this is coming back over on itself many times now. Time to close out.

Be aware that I will comment on things that I choose to comment on.

And once again, this opportunity to explore the many bi-partisan friends of Epstein with you has been enjoyable.

Marty

Follow up to last..

And Rob
think about all of those hours that Bill Clinton spent crossing the ocean in the fuselage of "THE LOLITA EXPRESS."
All that time. How might he have occupied himself?
There is no reason to think that Epstein would have offered some entertainment over all those hours, but I still cant help but wonder.

How about Prince Andrew? Also presumed innocent? He said he did nothing.
Do you believe him too?

Interesting stuff. Good chat.

Marty, you're acting like you're the boss here. Make as many rules as you want. I don't care. I know how to behave. You've shown me time and time again that you don't. I asked you an easy question. Where did I bash anyone in verse 1? You didn't answer that question. You are the only one here claiming I'm bashing Trump. Please show me where the bashing is! Where did I say something bad about President Trump in V1? Simple question Marty.

Rob,

Boss? Rules? I am suggesting that there are no rules. You do as you wish and so will I.

I think that I have a SOLUTION to all of this.

But first...
Imagine a man standing in the middle of an intersection.
He wears a blue shirt & pants, black shoes and a black hat.
He has a gun holstered on his hip and a silver badge on his chest.
He has an embroidered patch on his shoulder that reads City of (somewhere)
He seems to be signaling and motioning to cars.

I asked someone what they think of him and they say...he's obviously a traffic cop.
I tell them...You are way off base and jumping to erroneous conclusions.
And they reply...No I'm not. He's a traffic cop and you are a moron.
I reply...maybe.

All the while I know that he is a traffic cop. I'm just being disingenuous with them.
As you are with me. It hurts my feelings.
And there is this expectation that I have go for this mousetrap or I am violating a pledge.

MY SOLUTION:
All pledges are rescinded and dissolved.
You post whatever you like and I will comment however I choose. No rules.

Having said that, I've no desire to diminish the songs that you write to your wife or friends, or any other innocuous topics.

But when I see political propaganda regurgitated on this songwriting forum, veiled or explicit...open season.

Marty

Marty, I asked you an easy question twice. Where did I bash anyone in verse 1? You didn't answer that question. You are the only one here claiming I'm bashing Trump. Please show me where the bashing is! Where did I say something bad about President Trump in V1? Simple question Marty. You continue to claim I'm bashing Trump in this song but instead of explaining where, you offer me some kind of some kind of solutions. You're the guy who has the problems with my songs, not me. I don't need any solutions. Now you're claiming I'm hurting your feelings. Ahh, come on Marty. You insulted me. You hurt my feelings ... well, not really. By now, I'm used to this kind of treatment from you.

This is rediculous, stop giving this song more attention than anybody else on the site

No wonder Rob keeps typing.

Rob,

You either have low reading comprehension skills or your emotions light you up to the point where you can't bring yourself to read what I write.

I have explained that more than once. Am done explaining it. Re-read your song thread.

It is not a song. It is political propaganda unsuccessfully trying to disguise itself as a song.
Rob thinks that he has written another "Animal Farm."

"They're just farm animals and nothing more. I did'nt say anybody's name. Where's a name? Where's a name?"


As much fun as it is to talk about Epstein and Bill Clinton and the Lolita Express, I'm ready to call it a night.

Sweet dreams to all.

Marty

Marty,
you say I bashed Trump in verse 1 of this song. I asked you several of times to explain to me where the Trump-bashing is. All I'm getting from you are cops standing at intersections, Rachel Maddow regurgitations, mouse-traps, Clinton, etc. You tell me to read what you write. Marty, sorry but you write too much stuff that is off topic. Can you please just write in plain English where the hell I'm bashing Trump. If you can't, then I really don't understand why you're writing so much here that has absolutely nothing to do with my song. Apparently you have fun talking about Epstein, Clinton, Lolita Express, politics, etc. I'm with Dom here, this is ridiculous. Marty, you are in the wrong section of this forum. My song is not about Clinton and I have absolutely no idea what Lolita Express is.

Sorry guys, but I find it hard to post songs here lately without this guy taking over my threads claiming I posted something political. It happens again and again and again.

Rob,

You advocate for the freedom to post political content on this website. Because you want that option open for yourself.

You win. That option is open. But if you do it, expect to see a contrary opinion.

And if you do it, and then claim that you are not doing it.. expect to see a contrary opinion.

This has been an interesting political discussion that has covered an event which is taking place in real time. Your song sparked it. You should feel good about that.

If I understand correctly, the Senate voted 100 to 0 for the justice department to release the files. That is a lost battle FOR ALL of the kings in your story. And King Donald has pledged to sign it. Hopefully, the files won't commit suicide before they are released.

I am looking forward to your next parable about imaginary Kings that you say have absolutely nothing to do with Donald Trump. See you soon

Now I get it. You’re saying that the line “Back before the crown was his” is Trump-bashing.
Marty, it’s a universal metaphor for gaining power. That’s all. The fact that you interpret that as a political attack says more about your assumptions than about the lyric itself.
If that alone makes the song “political” or “Trump-bashing” in your view, then I genuinely don’t know what else to say.

Rob,

Another interesting twist to all of this.

Your parable of Kings and the reality of actual Kings intersects in a very interesting way.

King Charles is an actual King. At this point mostly decorative and ceremonial, but an actual King nonetheless. He is the only actual King involved in this story of the abuse of teenage girls.

And though he did not have prince Andrew prosecuted for his activities, he has effectively banished him from the Royal Family.

An actual King deroyalized an actual Prince. That is a very interesting and somewhat ironic twist to your fable of Kings.

You're fable has been so Timely. Good going Rob

Rob

I'm about to be tied up for most of the rest of the day. But I'll leave you with one, parting, and rather optimistic thought.

Art is somewhat different for every viewer. Gazing upon a painting in a gallery evokes different responses from different people.

And that is true of me and your art. When I look at it, there is a basic reality to it, but it evokes certain reactions Within Me that are going to be different from the next person.

In the case of viewing your art in this particular thread, I have enjoyed the discussion of what was brought forward upon reading and listening to your song.

In the evaluation of Art, I think that it can be said, that all sincere viewpoints are relevant.

It is all part of the artistic experience. Thank you for providing that experience here.

Marty

Thanks for the thoughtful note, Marty.
I agree — people bring their own experiences and interpretations to art, and that’s part of what makes sharing it interesting.
The fact that you connected it to the Royals is actually the kind of thing I hoped would happen. Different listeners see different parallels, and that’s exactly what metaphorical writing is meant to allow.
I’m glad the song sparked discussion in its own way, and I’ll leave the political angles there so we can keep the thread focused on the creative side.

Robert

LOL Nice to see the de princing of the de hyphenated make it through ...this thread seems to ..

Marty I know that when you see this as about Trump the lyric does seem self confirmin, especially the pre chorus but you do have a touchy TDS nerve that can be quite reactionary expressing itself as its neurons synapse

Rob you are the artist who crafted the lyric and I think "prompted" the song" if I am right

That Dllan Mae as good a song as I have ever heard f%kn huge kudos and thumbs up ..then hey here comes Jason Mraz when I'm here with you...
....so assume you write the lyrics and used AI?

Anyway, when I see and hear what you have already crafted you get my green light if that matters LOL

Hey John,
your feedback really made my day — seriously, thank you.
I wrote „Dillon Mae” just two days ago for a friend who had her first child. The baby’s name is Dillon Mae, and her brother Dylan passed away earlier this year, so I wanted to honor both of them in the song.
“Here With You” was a birthday gift for my wife. I posted it here but it got no attention at all — maybe not everyone here is into that genre, which is totally fine.
I wrote the lyrics for all of these songs, and Suno generated the music. I’ve got tons of older songs too where I wrote the music as well and recorded and sang demos myself; I’ve just been re-recording many of them with AI because Suno’s musicians and vocalists are incredible.
If you liked those tracks, check out “Bathroom Buddies” — that one’s been getting the most attention lately, and it shows my more humorous side.
Really appreciate the support — it means more than you know.
— Robert

P.S. Thanks again for your help with this one.

"Reactionary expressing itself as it's neurons synapse" ?

Maybe.

But that characterization of a mentality would be accompanied by Facebook and X pages loaded with Pro Trump memes bashing "left wing radicals" and such.
And similar bumper stickers on my truck, accompanied by a hand painted piece of plywood expressing same.

BUTT...none of that exists. No mention of Trump or any other politician on any of my social sites. No bumper sticker. No political meetings or affiliations. No militias or paint ball clubs. No wagging bibles in people's faces.

I spent several hours in the last few days in a pretty Texas town, in a Outdoor Apparel shop / Beer Bar, drinking NA's, talking to the owner and several delightful strangers for hours, without mentioning Trump, or any politician, once.
Why destroy a pleasant atmosphere? Live, Let live, enjoy, breathe.

ALTERNATE THEORY

Marty knows that political and religious discussions lead to acrimony. Marty knows that they destroy good-will and replace it with bad-will...BUTT, he admittedly enjoys them.
And since there are people on this site who insist on imposing their political and religious views on amateur songwriters in the name of "freedom of speech," Marty loads them up with his viewpoint which is derived from a broader range of conflicting sources, more characterized as critical thinking and more reality based, than that of those who demand their views be heard here.

Truth be told, Marty is fascinated how various crack pots and meddlesome foreigners et al, go nuts when confronted with "free speech" that presents facts which blows holes in their chimerical views.

CASE IN POINT: You and I both know that the king(s) mentioned in Rob's V1 is Trump. So Rob is all wrapped up in the fact that the king hides his dirty secrets, but in this case Rob does not to even know what the "Lolita Express" was. That is germane to "Epstein" and associated criminality. The "Lolita Express" was a dungeon in the sky. Not knowing that... is living in such a tightly sealed echo chamber that it is going block out too many facts to have a valid opinion.

As for me, I admit. It's a guilty pleasure here. But, no reactionary here. That is your label for people who energetically espouse viewpoints and ways of thinking that you dont want to believe are true...but are.

I think that the alternate theory is more aligned with reality.

QUESTION FOR YOU: Is this post "reactionary?"

Rob,
Mr Lied is right.
He has every God given right under the sun to propagate all manner of acrimony in the name of free speech.
Just like you knew he would when you wrote and posted this song...
In fact, the manner in which you spread your particular flavor of acrimony is also a matter of God given freedom.

However, a common sense propensity for polite self governance within an established environment is where you both miserably fail.

Your affable and ineffectual style is the problem here, Rob.

"A bully is only a bully until you punch him in his shitbreath mouth!"

You should take this stupid argument where you know it belongs, or cowardly quit engaging him. Otherwise, he's just the unchallenged bully, and you continue on as the teenage drama queen...

Big picture, and function of "The Ward"...; Show clearly who always "enjoys" being at the center of all argument and disturbance on this site.
Also, tell us what you truly think and feel...

Free Speech

LOL

I doubt that Rob is interested in pouring kerosene on your idiocy. You need to go on back over to your rant thread and play with yourself.
LOL

I suspect that you can easily find some new evidence to present that this evil world is on the precipice of annihilation.

Tony,
I’m not here to punch anyone — literally or figuratively — and I’m not here to perform drama for an audience. This is a songwriting forum, and I posted a song. That’s the beginning and end of my intent.
I’m not joining a competition for who can insult harder or posture louder. If someone wants to interpret the lyric through their own political lens, that’s on them.
You say my approach is “affable and ineffectual.” Maybe. But your way of “handling things” doesn’t seem to be resolving anything either — it just adds more anger. This thread is not a “miserable fail”. Both Marty and I learned something. That is worth a lot.
I’m here to talk about songwriting. Anyone who wants that discussion, I’m all in. Anyone who wants a street fight can do it without me. That’s not cowardice; that’s choosing where I invest my time.
And as for telling people what I “truly think and feel” — the only person I reserve that for is my wife.

Marty,
You’re analyzing my intent based on a word I never even used — there’s no “king” in my lyric. That alone shows how much of this interpretation is coming from you, not from the song.
If you want to project politics onto it, that’s your choice. But I’m not going to debate your assumptions or get pulled into another round of personality theories. I shared a song. You turned it into a political autopsy. I’m stepping out of that. If you or anyone else wants to talk about the actual lyric, melody, or craft, I’m here for it. If the goal is more political interpretation battles, I’m not participating.

It's no irony that you both miserably fail to acknowledge the most obvious point...

He once said, “Open up the files ...(as did Trump)
Let the truth come pouring through.”
Back before the crown was his ...(if not a king, then a metaphorical position of power such as president Trump)
Before the power changed his view


Rob,
There is no explicit mention of one-eyed alligators in your lyrics either.

However....

Kings wear crowns. Kings who wear crowns have power. John and even Tony, have alluded to the fact that this is an intended parallel to Trump.
Deny if you like. I'm resigned to that.

However...

My interpretation and takeaway from viewing your art, based on what you have written here, is legit and backed by fact.
In the future, always remember that kings wear crowns, as do queens...but you wrote "his" so its either a king or a prince.
Could be an emperor, I suppose, but kings are "crowned" at coronations.

You all have a lovely day.

Marty,
You’re interpreting things that simply aren’t in the lyric. You’re free to read it that way, but it’s your projection, not my intention.
And even if someone sees political parallels, the song doesn’t take a side. It isn’t written from the left or the right. Leaders of all kinds change their minds, hide things, reveal things — that’s the point. It’s not a coded message about any particular figure.

Have a great day

Tony,
I’m not failing anything — I’m just choosing not to engage in the way you expect.
We see things differently, and that’s completely normal.

"Crown" is not in the lyric? Seems it is.
A crown would clearly imply a king or prince, or metaphorically a person of power.

Say what you will Rob, but given V1's lyrical content and current events, I and apparently John can see the validity in a Trump/Epstein Files interpretation.
Therefore, to me, the content, is both philosophical and political, and it is legit to critique on either basis.

There you have it,

Marty

Marty, I’m fine if you view this song in a political light. I intentionally wrote it so multiple interpretations are possible. What I’m not fine with is labeling it as “Trump-bashing.” That’s not what the song is, and it misrepresents the intent. Other than that, feel free to interpret it as you like.

I had to drive 4 hours in the car last night. Listened to Chris Cuomo. Have become a fan of Cuomo. He votes Dem and while at CNN he was clearly paid to be a DNC mouthpiece.
But now, with his own podcasts, he is enlightening and seems to be a very critical thinker interested in reality.

He his reinvention of himself seems based on a critical thinker letting the chips fall where they may.

He interviewed Epstein's Brother and there was some claims made about Trump having continued contact with Jeffrey after he said that he broke off all contact with him. There were also claims made about what Epstein and the Russians had on Trump.

However, the info from the brother seemed to be based in conversations with Epstein. No video. No audio. No other witnesses. Heresay.
It could be true, but in a world of lies, evidence matters the most. I heard none of that.

At this point, imo, the only thing that matters is Trump's knowledge of the girls and any degree of participation in that.
We have all sent a birthday card to someone that we dont like.

But, things are bubbling to the surface, and if the Epstein Files dont commit suicide, there may be some evidence.

based on these lyrics and your previous history of Trump bashing...that is how I perceive the underlying driver in the song.
I dont hate you for it. But I'm convinced of that.

Marty

Well, isn't that what I said? His supporters are not gonna flip without a video if him doing the deed.

He says the files have been scrubbed not just of trump but other Republicans.

More or less.
But you offered a summarizing generality mostly backed up with a feeling, hunch.
I tried to fill that in with some info based upon hearing the brothers actual words in a interview.

I think Trump suffers from dementia . We got 3 more years of this clown . He is a good bullshit artist though , I'll give em that

So just to be clear — you can’t point to any Trump‑bashing in the actual lyrics, yet you’re still convinced it’s there because of things you think I’ve said in the past. You can apply that to any song I write.
I’m sorry, Marty, but that logic doesn’t add up. If the text doesn’t contain what you claim, then the interpretation is coming from you, not the song.

Rob,

Once again. Art is in "the eye of the beholder"

I dont see it as logic.
At I glance, I see that as obvious.

Marty

[Verse]
He once said, “Open up the files
Let the truth come pouring through.”
Back before the crown was his
Before the power changed his view

Of course that's about Trump. Just the use of the words file points to it.can we stop this bullshit?

The song is weak, make it better

Thats kinda funny calling it art and talented musicians and singers from Suno , its machines and wires