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Marty, you didn't answer mine either.
"What if China bombs a boat in international waters with 11 Americans on board and claims they were drug traffickers?"
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Marty, you didn't answer mine either.
"What if China bombs a boat in international waters with 11 Americans on board and claims they were drug traffickers?" That would be an egregious international incident if it could be proven that they were just tourists out toolin' around in open water. However, if I the US was a completely corrupt nation and was 40 percent controlled by cartel shadow govts with organized militias or a guy like Maduro...I would know, based upon decades of experience that those guys in that boat were overwhelmingly likely to be drug traffickers and not tourists out on a lark. I suspect that the intel on that boat was easy and clear. Related to that, I have little sympathy for these people like the basketball player who are dumb enough to enter places like Russia, China and N Korea, illegally and/or with illegal substances in their possession. If they are going to FAFO, the outcome is theirs to deal with, as far as I am concerned. NOW...if "international law" is a righteous PRINCIPLE that should be complied with at all times regardless of particular circumstance...and not just a partisan double-standard hack pulled out to support tribal political conformity when convenient...answer my questions in red above regarding "Obomber." Marty
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Here’s my take on the question you asked. American presidents have always acted like they were the police of the whole world. That’s why they were dragged into so many far away wars. As for the countries you mentioned, we were at war with Afghanistan and ISIS. ISIS was not a country but they controlled large areas in several countries in the Middle East. We sided with many other countries in the fight against ISIS. Libya was a NATO-led operation. Yemen attacked Saudi Arabia and we supported the Saudi-led coalition operations. In Somalia we conducted airstrikes and raids against al-Qaeda under the AUMF. I’m sure you remember that al-Qaeda attacked the US. In Pakistan we targeted strikes against the Taliban and al-Qaeda. That’s where we killed bin Laden. The terrorists attacked us first and we fought back together with many other Western countries. Were all those targets vetted? You tell me. In most cases we were fighting alongside other countries and not doing this stuff on our own.
This situation with the boat is a bit different. We are not at war with Venezuela and I sure hope we don’t start one. I’m sticking to my statement: Labelling people a terrorist or drug trafficker does not make them a lawful target. They could have easily just stopped the boat and arrested the people. We can’t start shooting boats out of the water and planes out of the sky and claim there were drug traffickers on board because other countries might start doing that too.
I enjoyed your argument “If the US was a completely corrupt nation”. There are a lot of people who think the US is now led by a convicted felon (and who knows what he’s hiding in the Epstein files) and therefore not trustworthy anymore.
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Labelling people a terrorist or drug trafficker does not make them a lawful target. The fact is that TDA is a designated terrorist organization. As such , they are a military target. I am willing to accept that the boat was not picked as random target-of-opportunity but was vetted before it was destroyed. Obama's 26000 bombs killed a lot of civilians. How did his military vet all those targets and all that collateral damage thoroughly? They didn't. Getting that done thoroughly would prevent anything from getting done. But international law is not an issue for you when Obama is the president. But Trump has to be held strictly to your concerns. Tribal bias I enjoyed your argument “If the US was a completely corrupt nation”. There are a lot of people who think the US is now led by a convicted felon (and who knows what he’s hiding in the Epstein files) and therefore not trustworthy anymore. TAKEAWAY #1 People think all sorts of stuff. The facts remain... American voters looked at all of that and decided it was partisan based activity that was only contrived and employed to destroy Trump and would never have been brought to bear on anyone else given the same surrounding facts. The American voters decided that there were higher priorities. I am one. SO NOW, Trump is president and blowing up drug traffickers in the Caribbean. And people such as Ben who are not Trump supporters are saying, given the Americans who would have died taking their drugs ...that they had it coming.
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Here’s my take on the question you asked. American presidents have always acted like they were the police of the whole world. That’s why they were dragged into so many far away wars. Rob, also Your thinking has progressed. You seemed hell-bent before on getting the US involved in the Russia-Ukraine war. I, like you, am tired of seeing the US dragged into foreign affairs that we will end up being criticized for and losing American soldiers. Good to see that your thinking has evolved. Marty
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Your thinking has progressed. You seemed hell-bent before on getting the US involved in the Russia-Ukraine war. No, my thinking hasn't changed. I never wanted the US to send troops to Ukraine. Never. I still think we should give them Starlink support and sell them tons of weapons. They should be able to defend themselves. That has always been my point of view.
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Your thinking has progressed. You seemed hell-bent before on getting the US involved in the Russia-Ukraine war. No, my thinking hasn't changed. I never wanted the US to send troops to Ukraine. Never. I still think we should give them Starlink support and sell them tons of weapons. They should be able to defend themselves. That has always been my point of view. That's still the USA playing the world's policeman a little bit, but, at least Americans aren't dying. Tipping the balance and involved by proxy. It appears that Donny is right there with you sharing some "common ground," as long as Europe pays the bill...or so he says. Maybe Mexico is going to pay for Ukraine's weapons.  Marty
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We've frozen so many Russian assets. Let Russia pay for the bill.
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We've frozen so many Russian assets. Let Russia pay for the bill. You sound more like Donny every time that you post.
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An investor anthem. That's virgin territory.
Liked it,
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"What's Due Process?" Donnie was heard at the White House complaining that no one was focused on his amazing accomplishments such as ending 7 wars since assuming the Presidency and there was too much attention on the Epstein victims assembled at the Congress Building demanding more answers. In the meantime the US justice system is pushing back on a number of key fronts, claiming "First Fondler (Grabbembythe..) Donnie needs to cross more tee's and dot more i's and look for the written, codified, constitutionally protected and authorized ways to accomplish what he wants. Nevertheless, "Let's Just Blow Up The Boat" Donnie is taking his case to SCOTUS in which case the Farty Seventh POTUS will
1) Emerge as Trumpoleon, renovate the new White House Wing to the Trump Ballroom, and host every show that honours others so he can talk about himself ?
2) Sing Oh Vladdy Boy as he bombs and maims his way to a Peace Prize ?
3) Still be an unconditionally discharged convicted felon (Quis pardonavit pardonerem) ?
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"What's Due Process?" Donnie was heard at the White House complaining that no one was focused on his amazing accomplishments such as ending 7 wars since assuming the Presidency and there was too much attention on the Epstein victims assembled at the Congress Building demanding more answers. In the meantime the US justice system is pushing back on a number of key fronts, claiming "First Fondler (Grabbembythe..) Donnie needs to cross more tee's and dot more i's and look for the written, codified, constitutionally protected and authorized ways to accomplish what he wants. Nevertheless, "Let's Just Blow Up The Boat" Donnie is taking his case to SCOTUS in which case the Farty Seventh POTUS will
1) Emerge as Trumpoleon, renovate the new White House Wing to the Trump Ballroom, and host every show that honours others so he can talk about himself ?
2) Sing Oh Vladdy Boy as he bombs and maims his way to a Peace Prize ?
3) Still be an unconditionally discharged convicted felon (Quis pardonavit pardonerem) ? heard it all before. What's your point?
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Ah but have you seen it so artfully expressed?
Perhaps you might recommend a Trump Derangement Syndrome vaccine?
Speaking of the lack of brainworm vaccines and resulting effects, I personally cannot wait for this September because I understand RFK Jr is going to reveal the cause of Autism
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Ah but have you seen it so artfully expressed?
Perhaps you might recommend a Trump Derangement Syndrome vaccine?
Speaking of the lack of brainworm vaccines and resulting effects, I personally cannot wait for this September because I understand RFK Jr is going to reveal the cause of Autism I had that hearing going yesterday. (on msnbc) I never thought RFK would get confirmed. Heroin addict, sex stuff, bear oddity, brain worm oddity, affliction that makes verbal presentations difficult for the listener....and mindless objections to vaccines over the years that he is hard to nail down on...regarding what he specifically actually believes...at this time. In my opinion...terrible choice for the position. Some of the basics seems right, such as the focus on the proliferation of childhood ailments and the mantra that we are what we eat. But I couldn't make sense out of much that he said. BUTT, Nobody called me and asked me my opinion on his appt. I couldnt even find anyone that GAF what my opinion was. The border is in much better shape. So, can't win every time.
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Absolute genius choice in "Are you personally loyal to me" Donnie's mind.
Will give him a sharper focus on sugar....which was a big political decision some 50 60 years ago....fat was bad ...sugar was ok. ..
Absolute idiot wrt vaccines and public health but I expect a hero to anti vaxers who do not follow the science.
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I just saw a video where Trump explained why he bombed that little boat that was heading back to the coast of Venezuela. He was asked if it was illegal to bomb that boat. His response: “What’s illegal are the drugs that were on that boat, and the drugs that are being sent to our country, and the fact that 300 million people died last year from drugs. That’s what’s illegal.” Let me put this into perspective: The U.S. population in 2023 was around 340 million people. Trump claims that 90% of the Americans died in 2024 because of drugs. If 300 million Americans died last year because of drugs, why are there still 340 million Americans in the U.S.? I used to be good at math. I’m scratching my head now. Officially, around 75.000 people in the U.S. died from drug overdoses. That’s a lot of people, but why can’t the guy just tell the truth?
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I just saw a video where Trump explained why he bombed that little boat that was heading back to the coast of Venezuela. He was asked if it was illegal to bomb that boat. His response: “What’s illegal are the drugs that were on that boat, and the drugs that are being sent to our country, and the fact that 300 million people died last year from drugs. That’s what’s illegal.” Let me put this into perspective: The U.S. population in 2023 was around 340 million people. Trump claims that 90% of the Americans died in 2024 because of drugs. If 300 million Americans died last year because of drugs, why are there still 340 million Americans in the U.S.? I used to be good at math. I’m scratching my head now. Officially, around 75.000 people in the U.S. died from drug overdoses. That’s a lot of people, but why can’t the guy just tell the truth? Well a good bs story always sells, I don't think the tariffs are helping , it's about the same when Joe was in. at least on my end
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Well a good bs story always sells, I don't think the tariffs are helping , it's about the same when Joe was in. at least on my end Well Elvis, why can't someone just tell the guy that he's trying to sell us BS. If drugs killed 300 million Americans last year, then there are only 40 million Americans left. I'd say the election was rigged because 77 million of those 40 million voted for Trump. That's not possible. Why isn't he saying that the election was rigged, like in 2020? As for the inflation ... Elvis, we ain't seen nottin' yet. It will be interesting to see what tomorrow brings.
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Marty thinks the sword is mightier than the men and he is right.
elsewhere.....here because it is not board upgrade related
Jimmy Kimmel and many others woke up out of a job this morning due to adolescent and misguided notions of what the 2nd amendment is actual intended for .)
Perhaps another meaning Marty?
Business relations with government is what is behind Kimmel and Colbert getting axed, pure and simple. Government approval and licensing and such is now directed by Trump loyaylists who work to retain his favour. Getting or retaining their approval comes at a cost that now goes beyond meeting regulations and paying legislated fees to now aligining with government political views and the view of DJT.
I believe there were some industry M&A deals pending among several major multi location network franshisees\licenses who announced their suspension of Kimmel's show then this was followed by ABC as prudent when it became apparent the FCC ...headed by DJT appointee Brendan Carr ....became involved to decide on what exactly Kimmel said that was wrong....
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The indefinite suspension of Jimmy Kimmel Live! was announced late Wednesday after the comic made remarks Monday and Tuesday about the assassination of Charlie Kirk, including saying that "many in MAGA land are working very hard to capitalize on" the shooting and to characterize the suspected attacker "as anything other than one of them."
On Thursday, Carr suggested in a CNBC interview that Kimmel was "appearing to directly mislead the American public about a significant fact."
Before the suspension Wednesday Carr had urged local ABC affiliates to stop airing the show. He suggested the commission could open an investigation and that broadcasters could potentially be fined or lose their licences.
"This is a very, very serious issue right now for Disney [ABC's corporate parent]. We can do this the easy way or the hard way," Carr said in a podcast interview with podcast host Benny Johnson. He also said local stations needed to "step up" to express dissent against what he variously called "this garbage" and "sickest conduct possible."[/i]
See who crowed the loudest about their cancellationall the way from the UK no less.?
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Well a good bs story always sells, I don't think the tariffs are helping , it's about the same when Joe was in. at least on my end Well Elvis, why can't someone just tell the guy that he's trying to sell us BS. If drugs killed 300 million Americans last year, then there are only 40 million Americans left. I'd say the election was rigged because 77 million of those 40 million voted for Trump. That's not possible. Why isn't he saying that the election was rigged, like in 2020? As for the inflation ... Elvis, we ain't seen nottin' yet. It will be interesting to see what tomorrow brings. Well Rob I don't follow it much , All theses politicians lie , I'd rather listen to Bill Burr or George Carlin , the 3rd quarter on earnings has been the same as Joe was in there . Costs are up like always .
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Absolutely true about govt.
One govt was so inept that another swept in.
Now they hold various powers over govt functions, such as the FCC.
And that is a factor to be considered.
Knowing that and getting on TV and saying the following quote in the wake of the cold blooded public massacre of Charlie Kirk is something that even the stupidest of people should have known would have serious consequences...all things considered.
"many in Maga-land are working very hard to capitalize on the murder of Charlie Kirk."
"The MAGA Gang (is) desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it."
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Trump said he plans to designate anti-fascist Antifa movement a ‘terrorist’ group. He describes the group as a “sick, dangerous, radical left disaster”, as well as a “major terrorist organization”.
I have some problems understanding what this really means, so I asked ChatGPT. The term Antifa stands for anti-fascist. The Allied soldiers who fought in World War II—including U.S. veterans—were anti-fascists, though they didn’t typically use the term “Antifa” back then. So far, I thought those were the good guys. According to ChatGPT, Antifa is not a terrorist organization (Trump says it’s a major terrorist organization). It does not have a formal membership or hierarchy, so “attacking Antifa” as if it’s a single entity is misleading. Media and political narratives often conflate all left-wing activism with Antifa, which isn’t accurate. So, then I asked ChatGPT who is left-wing? The answer was … the Democrats. I’m scratching my head, does Trump plan to go after our WW2 veterans or his political opponents, the Democrats. Who exactly is he going after? In WW2 the German fascists were the bad guys. Is he now going after the anti-fascists, the people against fascism? If the White House says that Antifa members are terrorists, and the White House says it will decide on its own who and what qualifies as “Antifa” affiliates, this can get very scary, very quickly.
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Rob,
I think the Dale Carnegie quote is..."give the dog a good name."
The Marty quote...whatever you call it, still a dog.
Marty quote #2 - If Trump is a fascist, then so was Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, and maybe Teddy Roosevelt, maybe Polk. That looks bad for Mt Rushmore.
IF IF IF,
Trumps govt is acting within the law regarding immigration, you and antifa may not like it, but he is not acting with no authority.
If any organization is putting people in the streets with plans and financing, for the purpose of physically impeding the govt, while doing things such as setting cars on fire and attacking LEO, firing upon LEO headquarter buildings, etc...then those are terrorists acts being committed by a terrorist organization.
So, if any of that is happening and you are involved in any of that...don't do it. They might blow up your boat.
If you arent involved, you have nothing to worry about.
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Come on Marty. Even you can't be so besotted with Trump's "success" with "fighting illegals and crime" that you do not recognize a selective application of pressure to stifle a "conscience of the USA"...the second one after the recent Emmy winner. Government stifling free speech in the media...by an entertainer....a comedian...who is being accused of "appearing to directly mislead the American public about a significant fact."
And really...Trump crowed about it.
Next up, mandated government approved late night programming with all comedy scripts to be approved by Steven Miller
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If I see you harassing anyone, I am going to drop into that thread with the following advisory as many times as it takes to derail the harassment and bring it to me.
TROLL ALERT
TROLL#1
FDEMETRIO IS A RESIDENT TROLL. HE WAS RECENTLY BLOCKED FROM ANOTHER SONGWRITING FORUM, SO HE COMES TO THIS ONE WHERE NO ONE STOPS HIS TROLLING.
HE HAS BEEN KNOWN TO BE HARASSING, ANTAGONSTIC, AND BY HIS OWN ADMISSION "HOSTILE." HE HAS NO SONGWRITING CREDENTIALS OR ACTUAL MUSIC INDUSTRY EXPERIENCE TO SPEAK OF BEYOND HOBBYIST AND AMATEUR. IF HE BADGERS YOU ABOUT A SONG THAT YOU POST, OR DEMEANS YOU AS "TALENTLESS," OR ANYTHING ELSE, CONSIDER THE SOURCE.
TROLL#2
JAPOV IS ALSO A RESIDENT TROLL WHO HAS EXPLICITLY STATED THAT HE LIKES TO "RANT" AND WANTS HIS RANTING TO BE UNFETTERED ON THIS SONGWRITING WEBSITE. HIS RANTINGS ARENT USUALLY ABOUT SONGS. THEY ARE A DYSFUNCTIONAL STEW OF CURSING, NAME CALLING, MIXED IN WITH PROCLAMATIONS REGARDING HIS CHRISTIAN FAITH, POSTS SUPPORTING END-TIME BIBLICAL PROPHECIES, AND RIGHT WING POLITICS.
e.g. "What a fuk'n a$$hole!"
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Trumps govt is acting within the law regarding immigration, you and antifa may not like it, but he is not acting with no authority. Marty, please don't change the subject. I wasn't talking about immigration and I didn't say I didn't like it. Which organizations are you talking about? Who is Antifa?
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Trumps govt is acting within the law regarding immigration, you and antifa may not like it, but he is not acting with no authority. Marty, please don't change the subject. I wasn't talking about immigration and I didn't say I didn't like it. Which organizations are you talking about? Same as you. Whoever calls themselves antifa. Or any organized group that marshalls combatants in the streets to physically resist US LEOs ro commit felonious acts such as bombings or assassinations.
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Same as you. Whoever calls themselves antifa. Wow, that's the first stupid response I gotten from you. Are you ok?
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Same as you. Whoever calls themselves antifa. Wow, that's the first stupid response I gotten from you. Are you ok? Rob, You called my response stupid. Is that the decorum that we are going to have here? Do I start talking about my feelings here. My wife came in the room and I modified my post when she left.
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that you do not recognize a selective application of pressure to stifle a "conscience of the USA" When I imagine the sound of someone saying something so puffy, my imagination hears a sound akin to someone squeezing a fart out of a dead goose. LOL People of such lofty conscience dont say what Kimmel said, particularlry in the wake of an assassination.. Kimmel isnt alleged to have said that stuff. He will admit that he said it. btw...you're Canadian. Rob is apparently German. I'm the only USA representative here. We'll take care of it.
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Same as you. Whoever calls themselves antifa. Marty, remember, in that other thread you posted: “Any name calling whatsoever should be banned. Polite and cordial discourse should be strictly enforced” Are you calling me an Antifa member? Antifa doesn’t have members. They are not an organization. Sorry about your feelings, but your response was… nah, I won’t repeat it. I didn’t say you were … You seem to be having a bad day. Mixing up the First and Second Amendments, claiming Kimmel was fired. That’s not what you normally post. I didn’t say Trump was a fascist. All I said was I didn’t understand who Trump was going after. Your response was “you and antifa …”. Marty, be polite and cordial. Btw, I’m American. Please don’t spread false information here!
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ROB and JOHN,
I'm bailing here on the political discussion.
I get the feeling that it's starting to run off the rails.
The troll is the only antagonistic relation that I plan to sustain.
As for me and politics,
Nothing is perfect.
But overall, I am satisfied with Trump's job and his return to law and order is decades overdo.
Kimmel is a side show to me.
Trump issues a lot of EOs. I'm fine with that.
They are going to dance on legal lines depending on who is looking and what their agenda is. I accept that and have no worries about autocracy.
The courts will be called on to sort the legalities out. I'm fine with watching.
Looking back at my choice between Trump and Harris, given everything that has happened, I have no concern with my vote and would do it again.
Now you guys worry about whatever you choose.
Marty
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ROB and JOHN,
I'm bailing here on the political discussion.
I get the feeling that it's starting to run off the rails.
The troll is the only antagonistic relation that I plan to sustain.
As for me and politics,
Nothing is perfect.
But overall, I am satisfied with Trump's job and his return to law and order is decades overdo.
Kimmel is a side show to me.
Trump issues a lot of EOs. I'm fine with that.
They are going to dance on legal lines depending on who is looking and what their agenda is. I accept that and have no worries about autocracy.
The courts will be called on to sort the legalities out. I'm fine with watching.
Looking back at my choice between Trump and Harris, given everything that has happened, I have no concern with my vote and would do it again.
Now you guys worry about whatever you choose.
Marty That's it? You call me an Antifa member and a foreigner. Marty!!!! Come on. Wow! I still don't know who he is going after.
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Are you calling me an Antifa member?
Btw, I’m American. Please don’t spread false information here! Rob Read my last post. No, It was jest when I said that IF you were involved in those activities, then stop. I never actually thought that you were. You are in Germany seemingly more than not. You reference German TV and European sentiment more than you reference USA things. I thought that I remembered you saying something about your citizenship papers not being in order. If I got that wrong...apologies. I don't want to make you mad. And I personally think that you are hyper touchy about all this. It's best that we not discuss it. Read my last post. Thanks Marty
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Marty,
I was born in Florida. I grew up in America. Does that make me an American citizen? I always thought I was. All of a sudden, I may not be. If I’m not, then Trump probably isn’t as well. My kids live in Germany. They can’t get a green card. Therefore, I spend a few weeks every year with my kids in Germany.
I know where you stand on immigration. I support what our veterans did in in WW2. They were against fascism. They were anti-fascists. They were the good guys. You just called me pro Antifa. We’ll, yes, I actually am against fascism. I read your last post. It didn’t say if you are against fascism or not. Marty, are you antifa? Are you against fascism? That’s a yes or no question.
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Marty,
I was born in Florida. I grew up in America. Does that make me an American citizen? I always thought I was. All of a sudden, I may not be. If I’m not, then Trump probably isn’t as well. My kids live in Germany. They can’t get a green card. Therefore, I spend a few weeks every year with my kids in Germany.
I know where you stand on immigration. I support what our veterans did in in WW2. They were against fascism. They were anti-fascists. They were the good guys. You just called me pro Antifa. We’ll, yes, I actually am against fascism. I read your last post. It didn’t say if you are against fascism or not. Marty, are you antifa? Are you against fascism? That’s a yes or no question. Rob, If you say that you are an American. That's that. My apologies for my confusion. The 3rd Reich was a fascist regime. Total control of everything. Govt, production, armed services...everything. Ultimately under the control and subject-to-whim singularly of Hitler. No matter how many times Rachel Maddow says it...Trump is not a fascist. He's a president. IF people go out into the street, with financing and organization and physically resist govt LEO's, burn cars and police stations, etc,... they are not anti-fascists, they are criminals. If they are engaged in criminal activity, ANTIFA is just a misnomer. re: Dale Carnegie Now, may I please withdraw from all of this?
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Marty,
where are cars and police stations being burned? Are your saying people cannot go out into the streets and protest! We have the right to protest!!!! Are you antifa? Are you against fascism? Why don't you answer my question? Instead you want to withdraw from this discussion.
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Marty,
where are cars and police stations being burned? Are your saying people cannot go out into the streets and protest! We have the right to protest!!!! Are you antifa? Are you against fascism? Why don't you answer my question? Instead you want to withdraw from this discussion. Rob, Yes. I am against fascism. I defined it in the last post. But there is no fascism in the USA to be concerned with. So I have no reason to worry about being anti-fascist. There is a law-and-order genre of American president. It's happened before. Now...may I withdraw? From Gemini
police cars set afire in the last 5 years
Over the last five years, numerous incidents of police cars being set on fire have been reported across the United States, often in the context of protests or as acts of arson. Here are some notable examples:
During Protests: Police vehicles have been targeted during various protests, including those related to the George Floyd protests in 2020.
Atlanta, Georgia (May 2020): Multiple police cars were set ablaze during protests following the death of George Floyd.
Los Angeles, California (May 2020 & June 2025): A police car was burned during a protest against police violence in May 2020. More recently, in June 2025, during anti-immigration protests, police vehicles were vandalized and at least one California Highway Patrol car was set on fire.
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania (July 2020): Four police cars were set on fire overnight.
Austin, Texas (May 2020): During a George Floyd protest, a car, a mattress, and a dumpster were set on fire in front of the Austin Police Department's headquarters.
San Francisco, California (June 2025): An SFPD cruiser was damaged and a Waymo self-driving car was set on fire during an anti-ICE protest.
Acts of Arson: Police vehicles have also been the targets of deliberate arson outside of protest settings.
Portland, Oregon (May 2024): An arsonist set fire to at least 15 police training vehicles at a training facility.
New York City, New York (June 2025): At least eight NYPD vehicles, including police cruisers and vans, were set on fire in a secured parking lot in Brooklyn. A man was later arrested and charged with arson in connection with this incident.
Hollywood, Florida (August 2025): An unoccupied Hollywood police car was damaged in a fire that was ruled an act of arson.
Houston, TX, USA • Update location
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I just googled "fire in Austin". There's currently a grass fire in Austin. But maybe something is happening in Austin that isn't in Google yet. I don't know. You're against fascism. You are antifa - against fascism. Great! Then it looks like we agree on something. Then tell me why is Trump going after Antifa (anti-fascism)? You say there is no fascism. If there is no fascism then what is he going after? That was my initial question. As far as I know, no previous President was against anti-fascism. They were all against fascism. Is Trump supporting fascism or am I getting something wrong?
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Over the last five years, numerous incidents of police cars being set on fire have been reported across the United States, often in the context of protests or as acts of arson. Here are some notable examples:
During Protests: Police vehicles have been targeted during various protests, including those related to the George Floyd protests in 2020.
Atlanta, Georgia (May 2020): Multiple police cars were set ablaze during protests following the death of George Floyd.
Los Angeles, California (May 2020 & June 2025): A police car was burned during a protest against police violence in May 2020. More recently, in June 2025, during anti-immigration protests, police vehicles were vandalized and at least one California Highway Patrol car was set on fire.
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania (July 2020): Four police cars were set on fire overnight.
Austin, Texas (May 2020): During a George Floyd protest, a car, a mattress, and a dumpster were set on fire in front of the Austin Police Department's headquarters.
San Francisco, California (June 2025): An SFPD cruiser was damaged and a Waymo self-driving car was set on fire during an anti-ICE protest.
Acts of Arson: Police vehicles have also been the targets of deliberate arson outside of protest settings.
Portland, Oregon (May 2024): An arsonist set fire to at least 15 police training vehicles at a training facility.
New York City, New York (June 2025): At least eight NYPD vehicles, including police cruisers and vans, were set on fire in a secured parking lot in Brooklyn. A man was later arrested and charged with arson in connection with this incident.
Hollywood, Florida (August 2025): An unoccupied Hollywood police car was damaged in a fire that was ruled an act of arson.
Houston, TX, USA • Update location Marty, did you notice that every event you listed here was under Trump?
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Rob,
See the blue print above. The fire in Austin is cited, along with burnings of police cars all over the US.
If Antifa has organization, and if it is commiting criminal acts, then they are not anti-fascists...they are criminals.
From Gemini...
The Bolsheviks, whose slogans of "peace, land, and bread" resonated with the weary population, promised to end the war, redistribute land to the peasants, and put power in the hands of the workers. This led to the creation of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic, which would later become the Soviet Union.
A criminal can call themselves what they want. They can talk about peace, land, bread and the proletariat...ultimately these people just led to Stalin and a million corpses.
If it is an organization, antifa's tactics and MO look pretty much the same.
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Marty,
did you notice that every event you listed here was under Trump? Empty MSNBC talking point Rob. Trump is not burning cars. He is putting troops in the street and labeling some criminal organizations as terrorist to make it easier to stop them. he has blown up a couple of boats.
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Yes, if they are committing criminal acts, they are criminals. Are they committing these acts? ChatGPT said Antifa was not an organization. If they aren't, how can they commit criminal acts? Are you claiming Antifa is a criminal organization? Man, I thought we finally agreed on something. I thought we were both against fascism. Anitfa is against fascism. Trump says antifa is a terrorist organization. ChatGPT says it isn't an organization. Who is lying? It looks like you believe that BS even though you said you are against fascism. If you are against fascism, you have to be pro antifa. What am I not understanding?
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He has blown up a couple of boats. Yeah, Venezuela claims they were innocent boaters. I don't believe that. But drug traffickers in the US are not shot on the spot. Why are they blown up in international waters? Can you imagine what people in countries around the world think about that?
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Yes, if they are committing criminal acts, they are criminals. Are they committing these acts? ChatGPT said Antifa was not an organization. If they aren't, how can they commit criminal acts? Are you claiming Antifa is a criminal organization? Man, I thought we finally agreed on something. I thought we were both against fascism. Anitfa is against fascism. Trump says antifa is a terrorist organization. ChatGPT say it isn't an organization. Who is lying? It looks like you believe that BS even though you said you are against fascism. If you are against fascism, you have to be pro antifa. What am I not understanding? Rob, I have always assumed that antifa is just a name, that a bunch of yahoos loosely call themselves as they go out into the streets looking for some thrills. I have always assumed that other than non-associated bong-circles here and there, that there was no financing and organization. Trump says that there is organization, financing and criminal intent. I'm waiting to see what he turns up. If antifa turns out to be an organization that is financed to go out into the street and physically disrupt and assault LEO, then they are criminals. TBD
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He has blown up a couple of boats. Yeah, Venezuela claims they were innocent boaters. I don't believe that. But drug traffickers in the US are not shot on the spot. Why are they blown up in international waters? Can you imagine what people in countries around the world think about that? They have been designated a TDA terrorist organization, making them a military target. I have never seen proof one way or the other, but I am comfortable giving the benefit of the doubt to Trump. Fentanyl kills people. If the practical choice is the smugglers die or Americans die? Smugglers seems a better outcome. Deciding the legality is for the courts.
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If antifa turns out to be an organization that is financed to go out into the street and physically disrupt and assault LEO, then they are criminals.
TBD Wrong answer. If ... if ... if... If you are against fascism, you are pro antifa. There is no antifa organization in the US. There never was. The election 2020 wasn't rigged either, even though Trump still says it was. He says it was rigged and you're still waiting to see what he turns up, like with antifa. He's looking for reasons to go after his political opposites. Period. The name “Antifa” is short for “Antifaschistische Aktion” (Anti-Fascist Action), which originated in Germany in the early 1930s. It was first used by the German Communist Party (KPD) in 1932 as the name of a militant, left-wing movement that opposed the rising Nazi Party and other fascist groups. The symbol of two flags (red and black) inside a circle, which is still associated with antifa today, also comes from this original organization. After World War II, variations of the term and the ideas behind it resurfaced in Europe, especially in West Germany in the 1980s with autonomous, anarchist, and leftist groups that revived the name “Antifa” as part of their anti-fascist and anti-racist activism. In the United States, the name “antifa” (borrowed directly from the German term) started being used more broadly in the 1980s–1990s among punk, skinhead, and anarchist subcultures opposing neo-Nazis, and then it became widely recognized in the 2010s. Marty... I would like to say something now, but I won't. I'll stay polite and cordial, just like you said we should. Have a great night.
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Wrong answer. If ... if ... if... If you are against fascism, you are pro antifa. I don't necessarily connect those dots. Waiting for more info. It's 7:05 pm here. Have a good night yourself. Marty
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Wrong answer. If ... if ... if... If you are against fascism, you are pro antifa. I don't necessarily connect those dots. Waiting for more info. Another great response. What info do you need?
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Another great response. What info do you need? Rob, I have feelings. And I am feeling that I do not want to continue to engage this. I've made my positions clear as I can. I need you to accept and respect my feelings. Marty
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