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Well rich lawyers in Eds case probably swayed the jury , These high profile artists are always in court over something . I doubt Sony will win over Suno either , it will be tied up in courts for years , As Suno gets richer off novice songwriters at $10.00 a month and generating millions of song a month.

Pete Townshend, of The Who, has voiced his opinion on the Ed Sheeran "Thinking Out Loud" copyright case, stating it's "absurd" to accuse artists like Sheeran of ripping off older songs when they're using common musical elements. He believes such lawsuits could stifle creativity by making artists fear using basic musical building blocks.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Townshend's perspective:
He finds it ridiculous to accuse Sheeran, who creates pop music, of copyright infringement based on common musical elements. He argues that the language of music is limited, and many songs share basic structures and chord progressions.

Likewise, you could steal a hit song, note for note, and still never have anyone hear it.

Still about exposure

Just another case of these guys looking for pay day , These types of things are always in court. The best lawyer probably wins like in all trials , it's not guilty or innocence, it's the $$$ , or Trump would be in prison along time ago.

If you notice copyright cases got out of control after music became free. Once Napster allowed downloads without paying, artists started suing for copyrights to make up for lost money.

They probably don't know what to think these days with ai. Sure they are plotting ways to cash in

I'm sure major artists and labels will continue to sue Suno for example over copywrite infringements
As highly paid lawyers tie all this up in courts from both sides . it's just cat and mouse on who has the best lawyers and arguments

Doctors and lawyers are being replaced with AI.

Songwriting is the very least that AI is capable of.

There is no longer any point or reason for this site to exist.

Biologic proliferation is contraindicated.

You are obsolete.

Your still here after almost 6000 posts , So there must be something to keep you here , it must be politics and religion

He's here for same reason everyone else is, an association with music, but it turned into a place where all topics are covered, so music became an after thought.

And once you post a song, it's done.

Some people like Guy run away and never participate others try to engage the people here

But the in between songs activity is what they are living off

And he is 100% correct. It is RARELY artists or creators that sue. It is money people suing over money, not infringement. Corporations and lawyers always looking for more. Same old same old!

I am helping a multi platinum songwriter get his many thousands of unproduced songs produced so he can send the demos out and get more business. This guy understands that pro writers rarely have time to even consider developing finished quality demos when they are writing music every available moment when not traveling, touring as artists and working on other career activities. I played him a few of the tracks I have put together and he was positive they had to be humans. He hadn't really spent much time with music A.I. stuff, but all his promo stuff is A.I. including an exhaustive bio of all his placed songs, cowriters, and tracks and what they have cumulatively done. He has songs that have been covered in so many languages he can't keep track. He still has to go over any A.I. work, graphics, research etc. because there ARE errors, but it does a lot of heavy lifting that he has no time for. He then looks at final results, makes decisions and edits and it's done. A.I. music REQUIRES an artistic producer to make stuff true to the initial artist or writer's wishes. Most of these guys don't have the TIME (he has the money). A.I. is going to allow him to make a LOT more money PLUS get all his material out and also online making money. He still performs 20+ shows a month year round and is no spring chicken. He's been a friend of mine for a long time, so I am just helping him out as I do not have time to produce the stuff for him. I offered to do a couple songs to get him started, learn his process/goals/desires, then I will hand it back to him and he can pay someone else to do the lions share of work. I am only 320 songs into my own catalog and just switched it up to work on my oldest songs written as a TEEN and now they sound almost as good as my best stuff. I will have to go back and redo my earliest A.I. stuff as the tech has doubled in abilities since last September. It will double again of course, but I am having a blast revisiting songs I had long forgotten about. I also realize that most of my entire catalog was a lot better than I used to think. I am brutal on my own stuff because I have been surrounded by some of the greatest writers in history. I would put some of them up against anything ever written, outside of perhaps the best 100 songs ever which have both fame, marketing and being drilled into our heads our whole lives going for them. It is nearly impossible for most people to "hear" a great song the first time (or 3rd time). And few people hear anything not pushed by elite agendas that many times. It is why often your favorite songs by favorite artists are NOT their biggest hits. A.I. is already becoming standard, and REAL stuff with original writers will ALWAYS sound better than purely created A.I. stuff. All my music is based on my music, lyrics, melodies and vocal performance. I love casting voices, because it is like me in top voice when I was in my early 20s, or me singing as a female vocalist, but with my intonations, emphasis and cadence. A lot of my lyrics are wordy and must be sung in a specific way for them to work. To experiment, I tried asking A.I. to imply sing them and it was a trainwreck. But when it has my full vocal to track, it nails it. Then gives me flavors. No different than picking piano tone or how to mic your drums. All creative choices are possible once this stuff hits peak performance. But it STILL needs humans to make the tools work in a human way. I hear plenty of lyricists doing demos. It is a nice way for them to hear their work. But it is rarely as good as hearing a full composition processed with tools, at least not to discerning ears. But when you've never been able to do music, I do not begrudge any lyrics the fun of this creative outlet. If I were them, I would use it to pitch to artists who can play and sing and offer a cowrite on their take, then you have the best of both worlds. I would much rather consider a lyric I can hear works as a song rather than try to read it and get the same vibe. I have always written music first outside of a song idea or a hook line, then adjusted the melody and words to fit my track. I know lyricists doing that now with A.I. It is more challenging and productive both. Once you know it works as a song, separate it from A.I. and have a composer write a new melody and now it is a 100% human created song!

ANYONE can sue over copyright infringements. But rarely does a win happen. Even the most famous case was made moot by courts. (My Sweet Lord). Never again will case win because all commercially viable melodies have been repeated many many times. All you need to find is a single example of an earlier song using that same "infringed" phrase and you are losing the millions it will cost to sue today. And now A.I. is being used to do just that. They found 6 songs with identical progressions as My Sweet Lord that all predated the Shangri Las He's So Fine. In the end, Harrison owned both songs and his dirty lawyer Klein got hosed (and was found guilty of cheating, inside trading etc. at the time). It was all a scam.

The only portion you will be able to win is if both melody AND lyric match OR the lyric is found to infringe too much. And good luck there too, because language may be nearly infinite combinations, but common language is shockingly small.