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I got a new idea thanks to Marty
Stay off the motorcycle and (on your meds!)
Keep steady your feet, and you're bobbling head
Tell ya what Mike, let's do a acoustic only take, u do your latest, I'll do my latest, and post them here
Let's see what's good and what ain't.
Cause if the clowns wanna go by sound, all I gotta is have a company demo it, and they won't have anything to say.
Are we on? I don't own a guitar anymore. I gave my Takemine to my roommate when I split SD for LA. My vocal mics are in a box in the closet. And even if I had both at my ready, I have nothing I feel I need to prove to anyone, FD, sorry.
Fate doesn't hang on a wrong or right choice
Fortune depends on the tone of your voice
-The Divine Comedy (Neil Hannon)
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Ohhh nice. I thought you were being neutral but you were not.
Who are the outstanding songwriters that are going to help me. Marty? Lololol
No dice vnorth into the tool box you go
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I got a new idea thanks to Marty
Stay off the motorcycle and (on your meds!)
Keep steady your feet, and you're bobbling head
Tell ya what Mike, let's do a acoustic only take, u do your latest, I'll do my latest, and post them here
Let's see what's good and what ain't.
Cause if the clowns wanna go by sound, all I gotta is have a company demo it, and they won't have anything to say.
Are we on? I don't own a guitar anymore. I gave my Takemine to my roommate when I split SD for LA. My vocal mics are in a box in the closet. And even if I had both at my ready, I have nothing I feel I need to prove to anyone, FD, sorry. Yet you feel I do have to prove it?
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Can't please everyone...and at some point, when you've paid some dues, you care far less what anyone else thinks, cuz you know you did the work, put in the time, and that the work may not please everybody, but you can stand by it and withstand a few slings and arrows, and take criticism with an attitude of learning and growing from it. Mike Mike, well said. This is so true. All the best - Robert
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I got a new idea thanks to Marty
Stay off the motorcycle and (on your meds!)
Keep steady your feet, and you're bobbling head
Tell ya what Mike, let's do a acoustic only take, u do your latest, I'll do my latest, and post them here
Let's see what's good and what ain't.
Cause if the clowns wanna go by sound, all I gotta is have a company demo it, and they won't have anything to say.
Are we on? I don't own a guitar anymore. I gave my Takemine to my roommate when I split SD for LA. My vocal mics are in a box in the closet. And even if I had both at my ready, I have nothing I feel I need to prove to anyone, FD, sorry. Yet you feel I do have to prove it? FD, You seemed to boast about your song production? Did I get that wrong? It just follows that if you say you've got a bunch of songs that there might be folks curious to hear one? I have not boasted about my song production. In fact, all my work in the past year has been in learning an AI art program Stable Diffusion, and taking the public domain movie "Carnival of Souls" --gutting every bit of original audio and replacing it with OpenAI Jukebox singers along with my music. Tori Amos sings the lead part of Mary Henry. I am about a third of the way through. It's laborious, because the audio samples are low quality and I'm having to learn-as-I-go to make everything sound good enough for sharing.
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Fate doesn't hang on a wrong or right choice
Fortune depends on the tone of your voice
-The Divine Comedy (Neil Hannon)
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Ohhh nice. I thought you were being neutral but you were not.
Who are the outstanding songwriters that are going to help me. Marty? Lololol
No dice vnorth into the tool box you go I'll take your challenge. I have a G/V in MP3 right now. JUST ANOTHER ERRAND. It's rough, but I wrote it, sang it and played guitar. Put up something that beats it from your stock of 100s of songs I'm gonna go bounce it up right now.
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Unfortunately I don't have this track anymore, once I move on from a song I tend to lose them, My oh my. How unfortunate.
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Ohhh nice. I thought you were being neutral but you were not.
Who are the outstanding songwriters that are going to help me. Marty? Lololol
No dice vnorth into the tool box you go FD, you are imagining people are slighting you when they are not. Certainly Steve was not. I am curious, FD. In your ENTIRE life... Have you ever thought someone had slighted you, and then you realized you were wrong? Or have you been right every single time? If the latter is your truth, maybe consider how that might have more to do with an inability to be objective about these things?
Fate doesn't hang on a wrong or right choice
Fortune depends on the tone of your voice
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from the album "Casanova" (1996)
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Ohhh nice. I thought you were being neutral but you were not.
Who are the outstanding songwriters that are going to help me. Marty? Lololol
No dice vnorth into the tool box you go FD, you are imagining people are slighting you when they are not. Certainly Steve was not. I am curious, FD. In your ENTIRE life... Have you ever thought someone had slighted you, and then you realized you were wrong? Or have you been right every single time? If the latter is your truth, maybe consider how that might have more to do with an inability to be objective about these things? Yes St Michael I have
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Unfortunately I don't have this track anymore, once I move on from a song I tend to lose them, My oh my. How unfortunate. Stay off the motorcycle and on your meds Gavin may still have it
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Ohhh nice. I thought you were being neutral but you were not.
Who are the outstanding songwriters that are going to help me. Marty? Lololol
No dice vnorth into the tool box you go I'll take your challenge. I have a G/V in MP3 right now. JUST ANOTHER ERRAND. It's rough, but I wrote it, sang it and played guitar. Put up something that beats it from your stock of 100s of songs I'm gonna go bounce it up right now. If Gavin still has the mp3 were on. If not maybe I can find it in another drive. This is what you want, bring it. But stay off the motorcycle and on the meds
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Fd wrote
Ii see the pain in Marty, I also feel the pain, a pain in my ass..... Lollllllll
Yeah I agree vnorth, life is short, but we never recognize it until it's too late.
And it's always been that way, and probably always will be. Were unable to see into the future.
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Thank you for the response...and I’m sure you know my comments were not directed at you...and yes life is way too short....at 76 years of age, I have completed most of my life plan....at this point in time I only count the days not the years...there’s more of them..LOL
But even at my age I truly believe I will continue to change and of course we can’t see into the future because it doesn’t exist
Steve
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
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Ohhh nice. I thought you were being neutral but you were not.
Who are the outstanding songwriters that are going to help me. Marty? Lololol
No dice vnorth into the tool box you go FD, you are imagining people are slighting you when they are not. Certainly Steve was not. I am curious, FD. In your ENTIRE life... Have you ever thought someone had slighted you, and then you realized you were wrong? Or have you been right every single time? If the latter is your truth, maybe consider how that might have more to do with an inability to be objective about these things? Yes St Michael I have You have been right every single time?
Fate doesn't hang on a wrong or right choice
Fortune depends on the tone of your voice
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Fd wrote
Ii see the pain in Marty, I also feel the pain, a pain in my ass..... Lollllllll
Yeah I agree vnorth, life is short, but we never recognize it until it's too late.
And it's always been that way, and probably always will be. Were unable to see into the future.
Fd
Thank you for the response...and I’m sure you know my comments were not directed at you...and yes life is way too short....at 76 years of age, I have completed most of my life plan....at this point in time I only count the days not the years...there’s more of them..LOL
But even at my age I truly believe I will continue to change and of course we can’t see into the future because it doesn’t exist
Steve I'm sure they Were, but I ain't mad atcha
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Ohhh nice. I thought you were being neutral but you were not.
Who are the outstanding songwriters that are going to help me. Marty? Lololol
No dice vnorth into the tool box you go FD, you are imagining people are slighting you when they are not. Certainly Steve was not. I am curious, FD. In your ENTIRE life... Have you ever thought someone had slighted you, and then you realized you were wrong? Or have you been right every single time? If the latter is your truth, maybe consider how that might have more to do with an inability to be objective about these things? Yes St Michael I have You have been right every single time? Mike what are driving at... Yawning over here
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Mike what are driving at... Yawning over here Just a clear cut response. "I have" is ambiguous since I asked two questions. So you have, in your life, been able to look back and then realized you had "misread" a situation and gotten mad at somebody when they did not deserve it?
Fate doesn't hang on a wrong or right choice
Fortune depends on the tone of your voice
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Mike what are driving at... Yawning over here Just a clear cut response. "I have" is ambiguous since I asked two questions. So you have, in your life, been able to look back and then realized you had "misread" a situation and gotten mad at somebody when they did not deserve it? Yes I thought you were cool, boy was I wrong
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Fd wrote
I'm sure they Were, but I ain't mad atcha
Fd
I'm sorry you feel that way..but it is the truth...almost everyone participated in dialogue that seemed to be spiralling down
All I was attempting to do was perhaps help change the rhetoric by giving a different perspective on communicating with each other here. What I observed was most posts back and forth were "in kind"...that's all.
Steve
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
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Mike what are driving at... Yawning over here Just a clear cut response. "I have" is ambiguous since I asked two questions. So you have, in your life, been able to look back and then realized you had "misread" a situation and gotten mad at somebody when they did not deserve it? Yes I thought you were cool, boy was I wrong I'll ignore that. So every time you get mad at someone, it's always justified, and you've never "misread" a situation and gotten it wrong and realized you got mad at someone who didn't deserve it? I'm just curious is all.
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Ohhh nice. I thought you were being neutral but you were not.
Who are the outstanding songwriters that are going to help me. Marty? Lololol
No dice vnorth into the tool box you go Fd Tell me why you feel this way. I thought I was just making a suggestion?? Steve
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Mike, Steve,
I thought we settled this...?
He's an accident, a gurney, blood stained gloves and flashing lights on the freeway...
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Mike, Steve,
I thought we settled this...?
He's an accident, a gurney, blood stained gloves and flashing lights on the freeway... JAPOV You're watching too many Arkansas State Police videos with the world famous Trooper Byrd and his famous PIT manoeuvres ...LOLOL Steve
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Mike, Steve,
I thought we settled this...?
He's an accident, a gurney, blood stained gloves and flashing lights on the freeway... I thought it was from the first draft of "Born to Run" (later replaced by "it's a death trap/it's a suicide rap")...
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Watching the Republican debate right now lol.
Overall opinion; Ramaswamy is on the ball and the best debater, but they're all just arguing about what Trump already accomplished despite Democrat interference... Especially Pence.
Gov Christie is a weasel!
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Don Trump did NOT ask Pecne to overturn an election!
Trump told him to DO HIS JOB and confirm the VOTING FRAUD!
To this day, we have no idea where all the votes for lying old senile Biden came from while he campaigned from his basement!
ALL WE KNOW IS THE VOTES WERE COUNTED! SEVERAL FUCKING TIMES!
Pence is the quintessential politician... lying turncoat A$$HOLE!
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Watching the Republican debate right now lol.
Overall opinion; Ramaswamy is on the ball and the best debater, but they're all just arguing about what Trump already accomplished despite Democrat interference... Especially Pence.
Gov Christie is a weasel! We knew that when he blocked the turnpike cause he wasn't endorsed enough. Springsteen is ultra liberal, but this was spot on. Funny thing is he's a still a huge Springsteen fan youtube.com/watch?v=Intftos4XBg&pp=ygUcU3ByaW5nc3llZW0gY2hyaXN0aWUgcGFyb2FmeQ%3D%3D
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Tony,
do we agree that in every football game there is a winner and a loser? No team claims before the game even starts that if they lose, it can only be because of fraud. That's exactly what Mr. Trump did before the 2020 election, remember? In the 2020 election there was a winner and a loser, just like in every Super Bowl game. Apparently you and the loser still think he didn't lose. There is absolutely no evidence that what Mr. Trump and you both claim is true. He and his lawyers tried to prove it. They couldn't. So they tried to over overturn the outcome with fake electors. What if Trump had won and Biden had tried to change the outcome with fake electors? Would you think that's ok? Probably not. Then why is it ok if Mr. Trump does that? I'd be on your side if they had found some relevant evidence that the election was rigged. Writing "ALL WE KNOW..." in CAPS doesn't change the facts. Btw, who is "WE"? I don't want to get into political discussions. I respect your opinion. I just feel very sad that Fox is brainwashing so many fellow Americans. I feel sorry for them and for my country. This is dividing our country, making America very weak. Fox is not allowed to broadcast where I currently live. There is a reason for that. If Trump doesn't get locked up for trying to rig the previous election with fake electors, he might get a second chance to win or lose the 2024 elections. We'll see. This is just my personal opinion. Peace - Robert
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Rob
Tony wants to turn this song-site into a free-for-all over religion and hard/alt-right politics for his own gratification and amusement. It's destructive to a song site. Tony seems to have been drinking his favorite kool-aid flavor for so long, that he doesn't care or even realize it.
My suggestion is not to engage and fuel him.
Marty
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Go to Reddit or 4chan or something. Likeminded people on both sides are over there all set to go.
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Tony,
do we agree that in every football game there is a winner and a loser? No team claims before the game even starts that if they lose, it can only be because of fraud. That's exactly what Mr. Trump did before the 2020 election, remember? In the 2020 election there was a winner and a loser, just like in every Super Bowl game. Apparently you and the loser still think he didn't lose. There is absolutely no evidence that what Mr. Trump and you both claim is true. He and his lawyers tried to prove it. They couldn't. So they tried to over overturn the outcome with fake electors. What if Trump had won and Biden had tried to change the outcome with fake electors? Would you think that's ok? Probably not. Then why is it ok if Mr. Trump does that? I'd be on your side if they had found some relevant evidence that the election was rigged. Writing "ALL WE KNOW..." in CAPS doesn't change the facts. Btw, who is "WE"? I don't want to get into political discussions. I respect your opinion. I just feel very sad that Fox is brainwashing so many fellow Americans. I feel sorry for them and for my country. This is dividing our country, making America very weak. Fox is not allowed to broadcast where I currently live. There is a reason for that. If Trump doesn't get locked up for trying to rig the previous election with fake electors, he might get a second chance to win or lose the 2024 elections. We'll see. This is just my personal opinion. Peace - Robert I really should wait till this gets more heated, I wanna see you run away.. But since I am a good natured human being, and write songs for humanity, I suggest. That, you wil NEVER, EVER win this debate, or even get a nod of agreement. The bottom line is this, the Dems dominated football fir a long time, their weakness and dishonesty forced people to the other side. I grew up Dem, my dad was a union man, that Dem party is gone. Fir that matter the Republican party is a shadow of what it used to be. So the new reality is this, no matter how villified trump get, no matter how vile or unworthy he is, nobody cares. They see button a or button B, and press the button that they think is less bad. Your not going to convince Tony or Marty that Trump should have never been president or shouldn't be And the more the Dems try to get rid of trump by court of public opinion, going to get stronger.. If you wanna keep up this debate I'll be here grinning ear to ear I hope you say your never coming back, that's Always fun But, dont say I never did anything for you.
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Watching the Republican debate right now lol.
Overall opinion; Ramaswamy is on the ball and the best debater, but they're all just arguing about what Trump already accomplished despite Democrat interference... Especially Pence.
Gov Christie is a weasel! We knew that when he blocked the turnpike cause he wasn't endorsed enough. Springsteen is ultra liberal, but this was spot on. Funny thing is he's a still a huge Springsteen fan youtube.com/watch?v=Intftos4XBg&pp=ygUcU3ByaW5nc3llZW0gY2hyaXN0aWUgcGFyb2FmeQ%3D%3D Dom Where is your first ever song upload (GV) over in Mp3? JUST ANOTHER ERRAND is awaiting a comparison.
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Watching the Republican debate right now lol.
Overall opinion; Ramaswamy is on the ball and the best debater, but they're all just arguing about what Trump already accomplished despite Democrat interference... Especially Pence.
Gov Christie is a weasel! We knew that when he blocked the turnpike cause he wasn't endorsed enough. Springsteen is ultra liberal, but this was spot on. Funny thing is he's a still a huge Springsteen fan youtube.com/watch?v=Intftos4XBg&pp=ygUcU3ByaW5nc3llZW0gY2hyaXN0aWUgcGFyb2FmeQ%3D%3D Dom Where is your first ever song upload (GV) over in Mp3? JUST ANOTHER ERRAND is awaiting a comparison. I know I saw it, I'm shaking in my boots. Look, I decided a long time ago, that music is not a completion, I think american idol and the like ruined music, as does any music competition i see the lure to enter for an unknown. The bottom line is this: I said his song lyrics were weak, so did couch and others, you choose to attack me instead, and your friends of band in a box, all decided to join you If you had shut up, allowed me to try and help, the blow up woulda never happened Besides, who am I posting it for .you, rob b, Gavin, Mike z, ? I know what the response already is You paid Mike money for demos, is he going to support me? I dont think so. I still think those lyrics are atrocious, I hope he keeps working on it
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Dom One of your favorite rants is to chastise people about not staying on the topic of music and songs. Yet...See below. You appear pathological. You have no songs. You come here to argue about other people's songs notwithstanding that you display no songs at all yourself. And you come here seeking to argue about anything. See below The arguments that you present are scattered and watery. Because of that, they have little true impact and devolve into personal insults, in order to create the illusion of impact....in the alternate universe contained solely within your mind. Without even one song to show your knowledge and skills in actual execution...you opinion is a waste of time to consider with any seriousness. You made a challenge. I put up JUST ANOTHER ERRAND. You declared that you would be back with a song quickly. Predictably you have nothing to show. Put up a song in Mp3. Still waiting. Watching the Republican debate right now lol.
Overall opinion; Ramaswamy is on the ball and the best debater, but they're all just arguing about what Trump already accomplished despite Democrat interference... Especially Pence.
Gov Christie is a weasel! We knew that when he blocked the turnpike cause he wasn't endorsed enough. Springsteen is ultra liberal, but this was spot on. Funny thing is he's a still a huge Springsteen fan youtube.com/watch?v=Intftos4XBg&pp=ygUcU3ByaW5nc3llZW0gY2hyaXN0aWUgcGFyb2FmeQ%3D%3D Dom Where is your first ever song upload (GV) over in Mp3? JUST ANOTHER ERRAND is awaiting a comparison. I know I saw it, I'm shaking in my boots. Look, I decided a long time ago, that music is not a completion, I think american and the like ruined music, as does any music competition i see the lure to enter for sn known. The bottom line is this: I said his song lyrics were weak, so couch and others, you choose to attack me instead, and your friends of band in a box, all decided to join you If you had shut up, allowed me to try and help the blow up woulda never happened Besides, who am I posting it for .you, rob b, Gavin, Mike z, ? I know what the response already is You paid Mike money for demos, is he going to support me? I dont think so. I still those lyrics are atrocious, I hope he keeps working on it
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I didn't make a challenge to you actually, I challenged Mike z
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I'm pathological because I offer an honest assessment, and refuse to allow numbnuts like you to bully me into not saying . Ain't gonna happen , never has never will
If you wanna critique the critiquer, and attack me just to preserve you own visioms amd missions, try it, as u can see it wont work
You appear bi polar as I have said, you know what I'm gonna say now right?
Stay off ...
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I'm pathological because I offer an honest assessment, and refuse to allow numbnuts like you to bully me into not saying . Ain't gonna happen , never has never will
If you wanna critique the critiquer, and attack me just to preserve you own visioms amd missions, try it, as u can see it wont work
You appear bi polar as I have said, you know what I'm gonna say now right?
Stay off ... Thank you for lucidly illustrating my previous points. Song that you promised...now?
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...I am a good natured human being, and write songs for humanity... LOL
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Fate doesn't hang on a wrong or right choice
Fortune depends on the tone of your voice
-The Divine Comedy (Neil Hannon)
from the song "Songs of Love"
from the album "Casanova" (1996)
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Tony,
do we agree that in every football game there is a winner and a loser? No team claims before the game even starts that if they lose, it can only be because of fraud. That's exactly what Mr. Trump did before the 2020 election, remember? In the 2020 election there was a winner and a loser, just like in every Super Bowl game. Apparently you and the loser still think he didn't lose. There is absolutely no evidence that what Mr. Trump and you both claim is true. He and his lawyers tried to prove it. They couldn't. So they tried to over overturn the outcome with fake electors. What if Trump had won and Biden had tried to change the outcome with fake electors? Would you think that's ok? Probably not. Then why is it ok if Mr. Trump does that? I'd be on your side if they had found some relevant evidence that the election was rigged. Writing "ALL WE KNOW..." in CAPS doesn't change the facts. Btw, who is "WE"? I don't want to get into political discussions. I respect your opinion. I just feel very sad that Fox is brainwashing so many fellow Americans. I feel sorry for them and for my country. This is dividing our country, making America very weak. Fox is not allowed to broadcast where I currently live. There is a reason for that. If Trump doesn't get locked up for trying to rig the previous election with fake electors, he might get a second chance to win or lose the 2024 elections. We'll see. This is just my personal opinion. Peace - Robert Lol... arguing a bad call by a reff in a football game is a very poor analogy... However Robert, unwittingly... you just hit the nail right on the head. You choose to believe in fake electors, I choose to believe in illegal votes. Don't you see? All either of us have to go on is what the main stream media allows. The supreme court's unwillingness to even see Giuliani is very disturbing to me. In my opinion, this current administration's unwillingness to mandate "Voter Identification" is evidence of fraud... Then, of course, there's Dinesh D'Souza's "2000 mules"... with actual security cam footage. "Divisive" is absolutely right, Rob. WE will probably NEVER know the TRUTH! And as long as WE'RE so ignorant, NOTHING WILL STOP IT FROM HAPPENING AGAIN!
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Hi Tony,
you didn’t get what I said about the football game. Of course, a bad ref call can decide a game. The point I made was if someone says even before the match takes place that if one team loses it will be because of a bad call, but if that same team wins, then the ref didn’t make any mistakes. One team wins the election, the other team loses. That’s the way it always goes when two teams compete. Trump lost. If he hadn’t lost, he would still be president. He’s not. It’s as easy as that. There is no evidence that the winner didn’t play fair. But it looks like the loser didn’t want to accept the results (which he announced before the election took place) and is now in trouble for things he may have done to prevent him from losing. We’ll have to wait and see what he did or didn’t do.
There is evidence of fake electors. It’s not a belief of mine. That’s why so many people are being arrested. On the other hand, so far there is no confirmed evidence of illegal votes in the 2020 election. If you have evidence, you should inform Mr. Trump, not me. He’ll surely give you a big hug in return. As far as I’m concerned, you can believe in whatever you want. If you are not willing to accept the truth you actually may never know the truth. Eventually, the world will find out what did or didn’t happen. And if there is evidence of fake electors, then someone was trying to break the law and should get locked up for that. That includes Mr. Trump. Nobody is above the law. You know, if people actually get locked up, that just might prevent it from happening next year again.
But like I previously said, I respect your view of things.
Peace - Robert
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[quote=Rob B.]Hi Tony,
you didn’t get what I said about the football game. Of course, a bad ref call can decide a game. The point I made was if someone says even before the match takes place that if one team loses it will be because of a bad call, but if that same team wins, then the ref didn’t make any mistakes. One team wins the election, the other team loses. That’s the way it always goes when two teams compete. Trump lost. If he hadn’t lost, he would still be president. He’s not. It’s as easy as that. There is no evidence that the winner didn’t play fair. But it looks like the loser didn’t want to accept the results (which he announced before the election took place) and is now in trouble for things he may have done to prevent him from losing. We’ll have to wait and see what he did or didn’t do.
There is evidence of fake electors. It’s not a belief of mine. That’s why so many people are being arrested. On the other hand, so far there is no confirmed evidence of illegal votes in the 2020 election. If you have evidence, you should inform Mr. Trump, not me. He’ll surely give you a big hug in return. As far as I’m concerned, you can believe in whatever you want. If you are not willing to accept the truth you actually may never know the truth. Eventually, the world will find out what did or didn’t happen. And if there is evidence of fake electors, then someone was trying to break the law and should get locked up for that. That includes Mr. Trump. Nobody is above the law. You know, if people actually get locked up, that just might prevent it from happening next year again.
But like I previously said, I respect your view of things.
Peace - Robert[/quo
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[quote=Rob B.]Hi Tony,
you didn’t get what I said about the football game. Of course, a bad ref call can decide a game. The point I made was if someone says even before the match takes place that if one team loses it will be because of a bad call, but if that same team wins, then the ref didn’t make any mistakes. One team wins the election, the other team loses. That’s the way it always goes when two teams compete. Trump lost. If he hadn’t lost, he would still be president. He’s not. It’s as easy as that. There is no evidence that the winner didn’t play fair. But it looks like the loser didn’t want to accept the results (which he announced before the election took place) and is now in trouble for things he may have done to prevent him from losing. We’ll have to wait and see what he did or didn’t do.
There is evidence of fake electors. It’s not a belief of mine. That’s why so many people are being arrested. On the other hand, so far there is no confirmed evidence of illegal votes in the 2020 election. If you have evidence, you should inform Mr. Trump, not me. He’ll surely give you a big hug in return. As far as I’m concerned, you can believe in whatever you want. If you are not willing to accept the truth you actually may never know the truth. Eventually, the world will find out what did or didn’t happen. And if there is evidence of fake electors, then someone was trying to break the law and should get locked up for that. That includes Mr. Trump. Nobody is above the law. You know, if people actually get locked up, that just might prevent it from happening next year again.
But like I previously said, I respect your view of things.
Peace - Robert[/quo You"te not listening. It doesn't matter, all that matters is party lines. The only people worth debating with are the swing voters A big majority of people already know who they will be voting for, before the candidates are even known. They are pro party above everything else
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Dom
Are you refuting yourself?
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Rob,
You can't call a football game beforehand, that's the point of the game. Everyone watches and clearly sees the results for themselves. You can't sneak players into a football game, the fans will object.
However, voting fraud has been a problem for as long as humans have held elections... and the deception always occurs out of sight.
You speak of "evidence", but the only thing evident is your bias.
Were these alleged "fake electors" simply attempting to verify and validate legal votes?
If I could see the truth for myself, I would accept it.
"Voter ID" is just common sense...
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[quote=Rob B.]Hi Tony,
you didn’t get what I said about the football game. Of course, a bad ref call can decide a game. The point I made was if someone says even before the match takes place that if one team loses it will be because of a bad call, but if that same team wins, then the ref didn’t make any mistakes. One team wins the election, the other team loses. That’s the way it always goes when two teams compete. Trump lost. If he hadn’t lost, he would still be president. He’s not. It’s as easy as that. There is no evidence that the winner didn’t play fair. But it looks like the loser didn’t want to accept the results (which he announced before the election took place) and is now in trouble for things he may have done to prevent him from losing. We’ll have to wait and see what he did or didn’t do.
There is evidence of fake electors. It’s not a belief of mine. That’s why so many people are being arrested. On the other hand, so far there is no confirmed evidence of illegal votes in the 2020 election. If you have evidence, you should inform Mr. Trump, not me. He’ll surely give you a big hug in return. As far as I’m concerned, you can believe in whatever you want. If you are not willing to accept the truth you actually may never know the truth. Eventually, the world will find out what did or didn’t happen. And if there is evidence of fake electors, then someone was trying to break the law and should get locked up for that. That includes Mr. Trump. Nobody is above the law. You know, if people actually get locked up, that just might prevent it from happening next year again.
But like I previously said, I respect your view of things.
Peace - Robert[/quo You"te not listening. It doesn't matter, all that matters is party lines. The only people worth debating with are the swing voters A big majority of people already know who they will be voting for, before the candidates are even known. They are pro party above everything else You're wrong, Dom. People want the truth.
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Hi Fdem,
no, I think you're not listening. This whole thing has nothing to do with parties, swing voters or the upcoming election. The question is, will justice prevail. If somebody broke laws, then that person/those people should deal with the consequences. I wasn't talking about any upcoming election.
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Tony,
you say:
"You speak of "evidence", but the only thing evident is your bias."
You know that's not true. Then tell me, why didn't Trump win the election? Why isn't he still the President of the United States? Where are the legal votes you are talking about? Show them to the world and get them validated. Mr. Trump will hug you for that. Those votes are simply not there. Trump couldn't find them either. You're looking for the truth. That is the truth. But apparently what they did find are fake electors with fake documents. If you don''t like the results of the election, get a recount done. That's the way it's done. Not with fake electors. It sounds like you actually support the idea of these fake electors. What if Trump had won and Biden would have used that fake elector strategy? Do you think that would have been acceptable for Republicans? Surely not.
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Hi Fdem,
no, I think you're not listening. This whole thing has nothing to do with parties, swing voters or the upcoming election. The question is, will justice prevail. If somebody broke laws, then that person/those people should deal with the consequences. I wasn't talking about any upcoming election. Justice is a perspective call. Clearly, if you watch CNN, and then watch Fox News, you see that it's all who you ask
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Fdem,
Fox is banned where I live. Too much propaganda.
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You're the one who brought up "football", Rob... Lol
I'm not interested in another circular argument. If you can't see that all I want is the truth, then I can't help you.
If you can't see that, if I can't trust the voting process, then there's no point in voting... then this conversation is pointless.
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Fdem,
Fox is banned where I live. Too much propaganda. Ok but that doesn't mean others don't like it And CNN is just as full of [naughty word removed]
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