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1.Everybody knows what's happening in Ukraine and who started that.

2. Some history:

The Hunt for Red October (film) 1990

cast (one of characters)

Peter Firth as Ivan Putin, Political Officer of Red October
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hunt_for_Red_October_(film)#Cast

3. Exerpt from article:

The Logic of Vladimir Putin

''So Kissinger asks Putin, 'What did you do before this?' And Putin says, 'I was in the secret service.' And Kissinger says, 'Me, too!' ''
https://www.nytimes.com/2000/03/19/magazine/the-logic-of-vladimir-putin.html

4. Short mention in the official Kremlin site:

"The meeting with the former US Secretary of State was held at the home of Henry Kissinger and was informal"
26 September 2003 04:30 New York
http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/29430

PS. 1.The real Putin in 1990 looked almost like a character in the film... coincidence? I don't think so...
2. As a whole Putin and Kissinger had 6 meetings since early 90s...

Some updates, according to Garry Kasparov (ex-chess world champion),
the "heros" met 17 times:

"Kissinger's recommendations closely track his friend Putin's goals (at least 17 meetings) consistently, as much now as when he was scuttling between Putin and Trump. Stop telling Ukrainians what they must concede and concede to."
https://twitter.com/kasparov63/status/1529134309155774467

I think there is a lot of political and propaganda games going on both sides, so I don't really trust any of the info going around.

You are a first hand witness to your situation, but none of the above can be trusted. All the world is a play and we are but actors. I think most of these figures are puppets for other interests. The real puppeteers are unknown and in the shadows. We have no legit President. Whatever is written in the teleprompter are the words of the puppeteers. It is their agenda, not the American people, which is being fulfilled.

This just in from CNN...Just Plain Folks founder Brian Austin Whitney has been raided by the FBI...

There is no way for any of us to know what exact precursors led to the war in Ukraine.
We are all looking at the surface of the ocean and trying to assess what is happening 500 feet below.

There are traces of things that come within our view such as Joe Biden being put in charge of Ukraine and being videotaped bragging about arm-twisting and ousting someone who got in his way. Although the arrogance was telling, that is just one bit of information.

FWIW2U
The only thing that I can suggest is to tell anyone willing to listen...that you do not want to see the United States in a war with Russia fighting over the most corrupt country in Europe.

Could it escalate into a European war that ultimately sucked us in?
Maybe, but let's make them prove it to us.

I thinks this edit of your post makes it more relevant:

"...you do not want to see the United States in a war with Russia, the most corrupt country in Europe"

The facts tell us of it

Alek

Are you a Biden voter?

No, 1st, I'm not a US citizen, 2nd, I'd prefer Trump, if I was...other hand, Trump is on the hook of Putin -
it's all about " the most corrupt country in Europe"
wich is all corrupted itself and corrupts European politicians:

Gerhard Fritz Kurt Schröder (Germany),

Marine Le Pen (France),

François Charles Armand Fillon (France),

Karin Kneissl(Austria)

all of the listed occupied posts of top-managers of Russian state companies till Russia invaded Ukraine.

That list of such "heros" could be continued...