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Are there any other Paypal type service firms out there. I've used Paypal for years with no problems, but now they are looking for more information than I am willing to give them or can give them. They say the Canadian government is to blame, could be, but the government in Canada has communist leanings and want to know every move their citizens make so they have complete control. The US is moving in that direction to, complete control, getting set for the great reset and world government.

I like PayPal, but yes they want a lot of info. I don't like giving out personal info, but it's probably needed for security. The USA also has leanings towards Marxism. In all my years, I've never seen such a push to the left.

John

I'm more concerned about the creeping fascism to the right. Intelligence Agencies have been warning for years that you're more likely to be murdered by some Christian white guy than a foreign terrorist. The 'push' to the left is mostly in the word-of-the-day minds of Fox News and Republican politicians, with an obvious propaganda style to keep you from looking at what's going on on the right.
Strange times. Strange to see the recycling of old propaganda ploys, and to see them so effective in convincing people to look at the 'wizard' instead of the man behind the curtain. It's hard to fool people who are well-read. Most people aren't well read.

Well Gary, I will say, I totally dissagree with everything in your post.

John

Lol... You mean those same intelligence agencies that live in the pockets of the Clintons and Obamas, and have been in bed with Russia and China longer than anyone even knows? Those same intelligence agencies that, not only turned a blind eye to the potential of Jan 6th for weeks ahead of time, but actually aided in the so called "Insurrection"? Well read depends entirely upon well written Gary...

Oh, and of course, the MATH certainly doesn't add up.

Must...resist...temptation....to....join...political....argument!

Tony, John, Everett, I refer you to the song I wrote for just such occasions. It's so much more efficient than writing out a long-winded reply pointing out, in the nicest possible way, of course, that you all are stark raving bonkers
https://soundcloud.com/themysteriousbeings/i-give-up

Now, in response to your actual question, Everett, what is it that you want to do that you previously did with Paypal? Send money, receive money, accept credit cards. The answer might be different according to your need.

LOL...Oh, bring it on sweetheart! *kiss*kiss*

All I ever use Paypal for is send money and receive money in a safe way. They say if I don't give them all this information that they will curtail some of my use of Paypal. If they stop what I am doing in the little that I'm doing, I see no reason to have an account. Governments are getting too nosey in the affairs of average citizens. Where I bank, they tell me if I deposit or with draw $10,000.00 (does not happen too often) that the bank must report that action to the government so the government can question why or what it was all about. Freedom, there is no freedom, slowly but surely we are being spied on in many ways we don't even realize. In communist countries this is how they keep track of their citizens in every move they make and know their where about at all time.

In that case, Everett, you might consider Venmo, except that it's not available in Canada. There seems to be an app like it that is available.
https://techdaily.ca/cash-app-canada/

You can always go direct deposit into your bank account. Not sure about your bank, but mine is insured from hacking, etc. up to 250 grand.

Best, John

Well Everett as someone who is under an obligation to report cash transactions of $10,000 or more to FINTRAC, if you want drug dealers, criminals and others with nefarious intent to be able to freely transact in cash, launder money, and hide from legal authorities, by all means rave on...

BTW many countries have similar legislation to attack this type of activity...some ban\criminalize cash transactions entirely if they are above a certain threshold

Everett,
Are you hiding millions in mason jars buried in your back yard lol?

There hasn't been any such thing as ownership on this planet for a long long time... only debt and liability. Money is just the tool government uses to measure debt and interest, it all belongs to them, and they adjust its value daily! The only thing you work for is the right to use their money in order to perpetuate their debt based economy. So, unless you've got something to hide, "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's," and hope your loved ones don't inherit your debt when you die...

Yes, a red flag appears when a transaction hits $5,000 on my account. That’s for my benefit. And anytime a transaction of 10 grand or more happens, it's reported to the Feds. Often a crime is occuring at that level.

John

Ah Tony there is a net position to look at when you look at who owns the money

Many\most? people are net debtors because of their mortgage, but the other end is forced savings and the building of an asset

Net worth is what you own less what you owe against that

People with a positive net worth are generally well off except if all of it is represented by an asset like a bar of gold or a house and they have no monthly income

People with a positive net worth and monthly disposable income beyong their montyhly basic requirement are considered well off

On the other side are net debtors

Those with only mortgages are in a good position unless they cannot afford to pay them as the payments become due

Those who owe large amounts of credit card debt incurred to buy "memories" and "experiences" and stuff you can't touch or sell anymopre are risking long periods of paying interest

The key to achieving financial independance is elimininating, minimizing, controlling fixed monthly outflows ...full stop.

If there is one cardinal rule in finance it is keep your overhead in a briefcase

If your allusion is to the larger role money plays in the economy, as in government printing money, as in money supply and circulation, interest ratesm, inflation etc, the economy owns the money.

It is a medium of exchange and store of value for people, governments, and all kinds of economic activity as it cycles through an economy

The government backs the money, its value, its trust factor...which is key

If there is no trust in money, %&it happens...like inflation or worse

Your statement is wrong but kinda right in that it kinda speaks to the point

Your attitude towards money and your expectations of your future seem pessimistic, and multiplied over by those who believe it creates what could be come a powerful force

Thanks Gavin, Wise looks interesting, looks like they are cheaper than Paypal too.

LOL no not very often do I deposit or withdraw large amounts of money, maybe once or twice a year. I still don't see why governments need to know. If it was happening on a regular basis I could see governments looking into drug dealers and other crimes, but I'm sure these crooks have other ways of getting around government spies. I don't use Paypal near as much now as I did when I was paying for demos and other things and receiving money for song sales, but it is a nice safe way for occasional payments for goods without using credit cards directly.

Do you actually think those drug overlords have ANY problem moving money? You do realize both Rs and Ds just spent 20 years in Afghanistan to protect poppy fields and the world opium market right?

The problem isn't with liberal people or conservative people. The problem is with our entire world overtlords and the single decision making apparatus that controls ALL governments today.

If one entity isn't calling the shots, how is it possible that in unison every country in the world (except for Sweden which was a control country to compare to) shut down their economies and freedoms? The world has NEVER agreed on anything until this. Not remotely close.

The only explanation is that it was all discussed and prepared for well in advance of March 2020 when the sh*t hit the fan globally.

The USA isn't a battle between Communism and Capitalism. We already have the worst of both in the form of Facism which is not a right wing concept for the record. It is simply the combining of Government and the majority of means of production and that is 100% in effect in the West an the East both.

What we should fight for is Principles, not Parties. If THAT happened, we would all find we agree on most things. Instead these idiotic fights happen where neither sides sees what THEIR side is doing is fascism by any other name.

Name your primary life principles and I believe most of them line up with other good people once you subtract politics and programming out of it.

LOL... Just wait till "they" make all money all digital!

Just as an aside, this is a hilarious quote coming from someone who lives in Newfoundland, the province that joined the Canadian Confederation only because of promises made by the biggest communist of all, Joey Smallwood. If God was to give the world an enema, Newfoundland is where He would stick the tube. The only reason the residents of this wet, cold and miserable dung hole survive is because of Canada's generous social programs. Now back to our regular programming.

Sound kind of rachis there BB. how does someone from Alabama even know there is a Newfoundland and have such a bad opinion of a province of Canada. I agree with you on Joey Smallwood, never liked him or his politics. I don't agree with your assessment of Newfoundland. Canada wanted Newfoundland to join because of our natural resources even though they gave the impression that they did us a favour by "letting" us join. Newfoundland contributes more per capita to GNP of Canada than any other province, a fact most people don't know. We educate our kids that have to leave the province and work in other provinces, so we are a cheap labour supply for Canada. For years Canada looked down on Newfoundlanders as the black people were looked down on in the states. Thank God that has changed over the years as people realized we were just as good as they were. There are still some that are ignorant and stuck in their prejudicial ways, we'll always have those to contend with.

"Newfoundland contributes more per capita to GNP of Canada than any other province, a fact most people don't know. "

I expect most people don't know this because it is not true. Note I am not ignorant or stuck in any prejudical ways here. Simply look it up

Funny, I don't recall saying you were or are ignorant, but at the time we joined Canada there was that feeling on the mainland against Newfoundland and her people, it has faded over the years. I was around then and felt it, I don't know if you were around then, if you were you'd be pretty young. At that time and for years we were per capita bigger GNP contributors, that may have changed now, especially with oil rich Alberta. Canada at that time wanted Newfoundland and Labrador mainly for the rich iron ore just discovered in Labrador, not to mention the fishery which Ottawa ruined by bad management and using it as a trading chip with foreign countries.