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But it doesnt work anyway, not any more than calling somebody who might be on the other side of the dealer looking at his hand lmao

You should read it, the more educated your arguments the more likely you are to get a point across.

I will say that no matter what you do, its a grind. Ive spent 4 or 5 hours up 20 dollars, down 20 dollars. Eventually you burn out.

Streaks are a gift from god, or deadly.

Being an old horse bettor I know of what you speak. I spent year learning everything I could a bout betting on the horses, read thousands of programs and dailies, knew every horse in a race. All just to give me a slight advantage over others. It paid off because I regularly came out on top. If one is going to gamble, learn what you need to know to give yourself a leg up.

Funny i dont bet the horses. It was my earliest exposure to it too. We used to go to meadowlands to bet harness racing back in the 80'S.

I recall great jockeys like John Campbel and Catello Manzi, Bill Odonnel. We used to bet the minimum. And always on the favorites, if it won youd when 2 bucks plus your bet back if that. Fun for a while, but seemed impossible to me to win. I figured in football you have two teams, either one team wins or the other team wins, in horse racing sometimes you have 12 horses!

Slowly got into them little white tickets, passed around at school, you had to pick four football winners or get nothing at all. I slowly realized that was rediculous too, hard enough to win one game

I caught the bug after high school. Dad never wanted it, he used to tell me the story of the only time he bet the horses, "My horse was way out in first, and he fell.. and didnt finish, and i lost, I never bet again" lol ok Dad pretty compelling...

But yeah, its so common place in new jersey now, I was on a train a few weeks ago, and two women were talking about a game they were going to bet on their phone. They asked me what I thought only cause I was a guy,, they really didnt know who they were talking to lol

I didnt have a strong opinion, so i said go with your gut or youll be sorry.

I don't do it anymore but spent years at Greenwood and Woodbine in Toronto and Mohawk raceway just west of TO. Saw Campbell and O Donnell many times and took a few trips to the Meadowlands in the 70's and 80's. Back then I did an annual pilgrimage to the Meadowlands, Yonkers and Vernon Downs. Because I came out on top most of the time I always thought of it as something I loved to do and it didn't cost me to do it.

Nice, The Meadowlands and fanduel sportsbook are now in the same place. You got all the young bucks on the sports side, and all the old guys watching the horses.

I will occasionally do a horse race, but its not something i feel good about, the odds are so bad. Unless you get tips. I dont know about any more, but tips used to be a big thing, a trainer or jockey tells somebody they are going to hold back tonight, thats enough to make somebody else go with the next favorite. Now that tip would be all over the internet in 5 minutes and the race cancelled.

Its fun, but even I feel sorry when I see some of the degenerates sitting there betting the horses. The odds are too great against. Most of their wives are probably at home wondering if their husband is going to blow their social security check lol

Its fun, but even I feel sorry when I see some of the degenerates sitting there betting the horses. The odds are too great against. Most of their wives are probably at home wondering if their husband is going to blow their social security check lol

That is so true, my friend, and sometimes the opposite. I remember standing in a betting line, in front of me was a fellow that seemed as down and out as you could get talking to a lady in a fur coat about the next race each trying to get an advantage. The race was the great equalizer

I don't know about any more, but tips used to be a big thing,

There was really only one question that everybody asked everybody else ..... "Who do you like in the next race?" That's when the tips would start.

I hear that God dont like gambling. Entering Satan's lair. Wages of sin and all that. Better start repenting.

Like I said earlier |"I don't do it anymore" ...stopped long before I accepted Christ.

Isn't putting your faith in money a gamble to begin with?

Everything God has done, He has done freely.

Does anyone believe there will be money in God's kingdom?

Gambling is always seen as a negative thing. It's always associated with back alleys, guns, prison bars, but the most successful gamblers wear suits and carry briefcases.

If you avoid the element that can accompany it, you're fine. Life is a gamble, everything you do requires a gamble, driving a car, taking a flight, eating at Mcdonalds....

Asking a woman to marry you, having kids, you never know what the hell might happen.

Picking a career is a gamble, doing drugs is a gamble drinking is a gamble. Having sex is a gamble

There is no real difference between studying trends and situational statistics in sports, than there is buying and selling stocks. Its all risk verse reward, business bet on things all the time, vaccine makers bet on what strain will be active.

Not many people see it as a skill, they see it as a lifestyle.

Isn't putting your faith in money a gamble to begin with?

I'm not sure if people put their .. faith.. in money. I think money is what people desire more of. They perhaps put their faith in those things they know and do to earn money.

And gambling that The Bible is the answer is also a gamble, you may argue that not doing that is a gamble, might also be true.

Picking a religion is a gamble, picking a doctor is a gamble, trying to be a working musician is a gamble....with TERRIBLE odds lol

Belief in the Bible is a choice. Maybe right or wrong but not reckless.
Gambling is wagering your assets against a caprice of fate...on a lark.
That is not the same kind of choice.

I consider it a risk, cause you do risk your freedom alot giving yourself to God. I often think about Priests, what if there is no God, they lived a life based on a belief that was wrong. A gamble that failed them.

I consider gambling a risk based on indicators, and history, and liklihoods, and that which offers the most value and upside.

Not somebody looking for a thrill. Not somebody with terrible control, in fact, in order to stay afloat you need incredible control, i still struggle with that.

Gambling is only a dirty word by people who dont understand it.

Is investing a better term?

So take the risk, live your life according to certain your chosen principles, and have the best impact you can on your family, community, and more if you can

If God exists, and I believe my personal version of God does, One Shared God of Judaism, Christianity, Islam and more, that our one God's expression is in our shared history, books and beliefs

That God has driven our quest for an understanding of our place in this amazing universe we continue to learn about, and helped create our collective cultures that have achieved and enriched each other in key areas from medicine, mathematics, chemistry (alcheny is Arabic I believe), philosophy, poetry, and more plus important systems of belief with truly noble human hearts.

Not totally sure about the entire story as presented about Jesus myself, but he was a true historical figure whose life has had a profound impact. Christians who say Jesus is the Only way assume too much in my books but again as long as they live their faiths and harm no one all is fine by me.

But the commandments and demands and lessons in all major faiths are common and it is in all these commonalities I see a striving to undertand our One Shared God and bring Him into our reality

I also love Aristotle and his Golden Mean..to learn the extremes and walk between them. Stoicism was mentioned earlier...I lean towards Epicurian and the enjoyment of pleasures life can bring

If when I die, and I ultimately wake up on Judgement Day, I will face the consequences of my actions, knowing full well today I am far from a passionate believer such as a Mr Theresa, or any figure in history whose life reflects their faith and who we've come to know about because of the exemplary lives they led when alive. I also believe our\my God will forgive human fallibility and as His love is unconditional, I cannot see Him abandoning those who struggled to believe or were agnostic or somehow unable to believe due to reasons beyond their control.

If not and my life's biological energy dissipates into my immediate last proximity and that's it, I go knowing I will have led a life that has had a positive impact on those around me and beyond,

Oh and yeah counting cards is illegal in all casinos. They catch you, they throw you out and can ban you. It's like VNORTH2 says, it skewes the odds because the counter can actually figure out odds of the next card being a ten or higher or lower by keeping track of the number of high cards and low cards played already. If the object is to get to or as close to 21 without going over is the objective, having insight into those odds is an advantage the casinos will not allow and they are entirely within their rights to set their gaming rules

Now people do it and get away with it and Kevin Spacey had a good movie ermm dealing with it...but good croupiers can spot it and pit bosses also keep an eye on it as does a video feed that can hone in on tables based on playing data.

But some faiths object to all forms of gambling, as do some agnostics it appears. Things will change in Texas Marty only when the government decides to use it to generate cash. I expect the Powerball and other lotteries are legal in Texas so it is not like there is a proscription agains gambling as it is, just casinos ,,,because a gambler's odds of being rubbies is the sum of the teeth their missing ...get a bad rap.

But a priest giving up marriage and sex his whole life, if its not real, he wasted his life...many would feel, although he may have done some good as a counselor.

Vnorth said it was NOT illegal, i said it was....

Yes it skews the odds, thats why they dont let you do it. But their concerns are highly over cautious cause i have never seen anybody make it work in modern day, in the old days yeah.

There was a bunch of back and forth but I do not believe it is illegal as against the law, it is against the terms of play, the rules of the house.

And it is hard today because good croupiers, pit bosses and video monitoring makes it hard

Still I expect it happens.

Now you dont believe its illegal? lol, you just want to disagree with me is that it?

Trust me, it wont get you put in jail, other methods might. But its still illegal in the casino, cause businesses much like the nfl or the nba have their own laws. In fact, the NBA removed the golden state warriors owner from his position as owner for making racial slurs. As far as I know making a racial slur is not illegal in eyes of law, but the NBA has their own rules, cost him his team... and he made the slur in his own house.

A Casino can make up any rule they want, if they say card counting is not allowed, you're gone.

But It doesnt happen any more, Ben Afflec probably hadnt been in a casino in years, and did that years ago, not realizing nobody does it any more.

If it works the edge is marginal, i dont think there are many fearful pit bosses, worried about card counters but they will kick you out anyway.

I will tell you in 35 years, i have never seen anybody even DOING card counting, and nobody taken away. I have seen people taken away for stealing chips. Thats much more prevalent. Some guys are so fast at swiping a chip off the table, that they can pull their chip back into their pile without the dealer even seeing it. But the camera spots it.

But they only spot it if suspicious. like how is this guys pile of chips getting larger when hes losing.... hmmm

Ive seen people stealing other peoples chips too. And ive seen dealers who are working with the player to both steal, they know each other but pretend they dont. Again you can get awy with things until it gets big.

Vnorth said it was NOT illegal, i said it was....

Card counting is not illegal under British law, nor is it under federal, state, or local laws in the United States provided that no external card counting device or person assists the player in counting cards. Still, casinos object to the practice, and try to prevent it,[23] banning players believed to be counters. In their pursuit to identify card counters, casinos sometimes misidentify and ban players suspected of counting cards even if they do not.[24]

Atlantic City casinos in the US state of New Jersey are forbidden from barring card counters as a result of a New Jersey Supreme Court decision. In 1979, Ken Uston, a Blackjack Hall of Fame inductee, filed a lawsuit against an Atlantic City casino, claiming that casinos did not have the right to ban skilled players. The New Jersey Supreme Court agreed,[25] ruling that "the state's control of Atlantic City's casinos is so complete that only the New Jersey Casino Control Commission has the power to make rules to exclude skillful players." The Commission has made no regulation on card counting, so Atlantic City casinos are not allowed to ban card counters. As they are unable to ban counters even when identified, Atlantic City casinos have increased the use of countermeasures.[26]

Macau, the gambling capital of the world and the only legal gambling location in China,[27] does not technically prohibit card counting but casinos reserve the right to expel or ban any customers, as is the case in the US and Britain.[28] The use of electronic devices to aid such strategies, however, is strictly prohibited and can lead to arrest.[29]

You may claim to have read the bible but if you did you must have had your eyes and mind closed, because it is there several times where other nations captured Israel, Babylon being one.

Lol... The Bible is a culmination of books spanning thousands of years, and prophecy has always been the proof of its validity. Any similarity between God's word and other philosophies is just God given common sense and plagiarism. Prophecy IS God's merciful guide for those seeking Him. For God to abandon "would be believers", He would also have to abandon His own prophetic promise; Which would make God a liar. Why do you think there will be 144,000 witnesses DURING the seven years of tribulation?

Gambling... To me, that has always been a pastime for those with more money than sense, and I could never be counted among them. Bingo doesn't even interest me. However, I've drank plenty of free beer around pool tables

FD, perhaps you can answer a question. I've often wondered about the Catholic tradition of celibacy myself, how do they justify it?

Vnorth, nobody does it, thats why its not 'illegal', it doesnt do anything, thats why its not illegal, but i LIVE in new jersey, AC uses 8 decks, they have various methods to prevent you from card counting, in face a friends uncle used to a dealer in AC recently died.

You're taking the definition of illegal to be a sticking point. Even in AC if they thought you were card counting, they would employ several methods to stop it, therefore nobody does it, and nobody young does it any more. the bottom line is you cant do it, and it wont help you win. Plus they use 8 decks, online the shuffle is random, so there isnt even a deck per se, soon they will be using digital systems in person. so it will be more like video blackjack than real blackjack.

This is a bigger problem, dont have one for blackjack but this is craps, same process
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TINVfnpXimc

Everette, but to people who have no religious belief reading the bible, is just like reading another book. Most people given a bible to read are doing so because some religious organization is telling them to and hoping they convert.

Reading the bible and accepting every word comes easy to you, I dont know if you were raised in a devout family or not, but I have a feeling you were. But imagine somebody born with no religion, The Bible is just another book.

Japov having money helps in gambling, but its not a habit of wealthy people to gamble. ANd there are dumb people rich and poor

I sat at a table with an asian guy in LV, the guy was hemmoraghing hundreds out of his pocket. not even in his wallet, he had hundreds by the hundreds in both his pockets, playing, and he was drunk. He was probably some rich guy vacationing and money meant nothing to him. But he was so bad of a player, after about 10 minutes I turned to him and said "dude, what are you doing" You dont hit on 18, you dont split kings, lol, and he kept taking insurance from dealer....

First time he just looked at me and said nothing, after three times he finally says "what do you mean" I said dude, you';re getting killed, and you dont know what you;re doing, stop playing. he looks at me, looks me up and down, "you seem like a nice guy, are you here on vacation?" lol, really, you seem like a good guy, let me know if i can do anything for you"

I said i dont want anything just quit playing cause in an hour all that money in your pocket is gonna be gone. He chuckeld.

I guess for him it was play money.

But you do need bankroll, but you dont need to be rich. Online you can play a dollar a hand, if you start with a hundred or two hundred, you will have it and never lose it if you play right. You might not win anything either.

But its all relative. Ive seen people come to a table with ONE chip, put it down and lose, and then leave. Shoulda just never came and kept the chip. Its not get rich quick scheme.

Catholic Church and celibacy? I dont know, the idea supposedly comes from our interpretation of the Bible, Everybody has one.

Its an extreme sacrifice, and causes deviance, although many are probably just fine with it. I dont know how it stands in Gods eye, but it is way out of sync with life on earth, nobody would be here without sex, maybe for this group its a sacrifice God embraces, I dont know really.

I am aware of that. Dont see the point or connection of that to my last post.

"Risk" is fine.
There is a risk of personal injury in driving to the grocery store.
But the act of driving to the grocery store is not an act of gambling or wagering except in an overly broad sense.

Again with definitions.... its not a gamble but its a chance, remove the word gamble and its pretty much the same thing. Every business owner takes a chance wen they start a business, chance when you change jobs.

Maybe Bob Seger can explain it better?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p99exuFRmI&list=PL_EiamflUt2DtbpNxu-lZWTrms-8VsoLX

Semantics matter often.
I dont see choosing to believe in the Bible or driving your car as gambling.

Gambling is taking an asset that you possess and risking it against an outcome of chance.
The reason that it is considered "bad" can be seen in Texas homestead laws. Down here you cant take someone's house as debt or a lost bet or anything else. One of the reasons for that is that lost gambling debts that made wives and children homeless.

[quote=Fdemetrio]Vnorth, nobody does it, thats why its not 'illegal', it doesnt do anything, thats why its not illegal, but i LIVE in new jersey, AC uses 8 decks, they have various methods to prevent you from card counting, in face a friends uncle used to a dealer in AC recently died.

You're taking the definition of illegal to be a sticking point. Even in AC if they thought you were card counting, they would employ several methods to stop it, therefore nobody does it, and nobody young does it any more. the bottom line is you cant do it, and it wont help you win. Plus they use 8 decks, online the shuffle is random, so there isnt even a deck per se, soon they will be using digital systems in person. so it will be more like video blackjack than real blackjack.

This is a bigger problem, dont have one for blackjack but this is craps, same process
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TINVfnpXimc

This is all silly.

There is only one reason why card counting is not illegal. The courts have said it is not illegal. States cannot pass laws to make it illegal. Everything else is irrelevant. Card counters went to court to ensure it was legal. The casinos went to defend their position. The casinos realize card counting transfers the odds to the favour of the counters, not by much but enough to give them concern. If card counting is no big deal, why do casinos ban them? Yes you can win by card counting and yes it does help you win. It's all about the slight edge the card counters have that worries the casino, if not they would say " have at it folks" and never ban them.

They probably do have several methods to hamper the card counter but their easiest solution is to just ban them except in New Jersey where they can't ban them. It's not about people not doing it anymore, there are still card counters out there, old and young. By banning them, the casinos are discouraging anyone from even trying.

Well also cause its not legal, how can you legally take a house when the bet was not legal in the first place. But they can take a leg or a knee cap...

That's why there is gamblers annoymous and its a massive problem.

It can be a fine line sometimes, but discpline is what seperates the men from the boys. Its not about getting rich, people who do that are going for a desperation attempt, almost never works, might work one time out of a thousand.

Not everybody is swaping an asset for a desired outcome, they are investing, if you play stocks you are doing the same thing.

Join me at the blackjack table Vnorth... you're right it IS silly.

[quote=Fdemetrio]Well also cause its not legal, how can you legally take a house when the bet was not legal in the first place. But they can take a leg or a knee cap...

That's why there is gamblers annoymous and its a massive problem.

It can be a fine line sometimes, but discpline is what seperates the men from the boys. Its not about getting rich, people who do that are going for a desperation attempt, almost never works, might work one time out of a thousand.

Not everybody is swaping an asset for a desired outcome, they are investing, if you play stocks you are doing the same thing


You are so right about discipline.

Among different jobs I had, over the years, one of them was as a stock broker '83 to '89. The toughest course and exam I ever took, in my life, was to become a Broker. I now know what a butterfly spread is. lol
I pity those who think they can make millions in the market on line without professional help or learning the ins and outs of the market. Wanna make a million in the market? You need to start with 2 million.

Today I spend most of my time writing and recording songs. They're my soothers now.

I can't count to 4 without getting 2 and 3 out of order and you want me to deal with 21. lol

If you are gambling, then you are betting an asset against chance. Stocks are gambling, just like roulette.
Particularly when money is pouring into the stock market with no true basis in assets or productivity...just money chasing and driving money.

By Hal Lindsey

The third of the �Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse� is usually known as �Scarcity.� It might also be called �Inflation.� Revelation 6:6 describes a situation during the seven years of tribulation. �A quart of wheat for a denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius.�

A �denarius� represents a day�s pay. Imagine working all day for a quart of wheat or three quarts of barley. This denotes scarcity, but also inflation. Money won�t buy what it used to.

Americans experienced heavy inflation in the 1970s. But that is nothing compared to the hyperinflation experienced by Venezuelans over the last few years. From 2016 to 2019, the inflation rate in Venezuela rose to 53 million percent. That�s not a typo. The number comes from the Central Bank of Venezuela. Can you fathom what such inflation would do to a savings account or to anyone on a fixed income? We Americans remember �double-digit� inflation as a nightmare. They experienced �eight-digit� inflation!

In the last few months, inflation has again become noticeable in the United States. Also, for the first time in a long time, Americans have seen shortages of important commodities. Both the shortages and the inflation seem to be getting worse. The question is, how bad will it get?

The answer doesn�t look good. On Friday, May 28th, the Biden Administration submitted a new budget proposal to Congress. According to USA Today, �The budget projects the federal debt would increase, relative to the size of the economy, to a higher level than during World War II.�

Venezuela and many other countries trace their hyperinflation to high government debt. High debt forces governments to create money to pay their debts. Vast amounts of money enter the economy, but that money loses value.

The US Federal Reserve controls the money supply in the United States. But where does the Fed get its money? According to Investopedia, �The Fed creates money through open market operations, i.e. purchasing securities in the market using new money, or by creating bank reserves issued to commercial banks.�

They �create money.� They are �creating bank reserves.� They make �new money� as needed. They still print cash, but that�s a small part of today�s money supply. Most money today is digital. Partially in response to the Covid-induced economic slowdown, the Fed has been creating a lot of money. Meanwhile, the government has been spending money at staggering levels.

This spending spree is not just happening in the United States. It is a worldwide phenomenon. That means the whole globe could be headed for a financial crisis of massive proportions. According to Revelation 13, the Antichrist and False Prophet will come to control the global economy. It sounds like the world will be in such great financial desperation that they will give the planetary power of the purse to their new leader. We seem to be headed for such a crisis. And in Venezuela, they learned that it can happen fast.

Is it time for despair? Not if you are a disciple of Jesus. He made certain promises to you. Those promises do not depend on the monetary policies of your country, or the value of the money in your savings account. In times like this, it�s important to lean into Him. Trust Him. Walk in His grace.

Don�t let the signs of the times make you afraid. Instead, allow them to give you confidence that the God who promised to take care of you is still in charge. Things are happening exactly as He said they would.

Please point out where it states this below. Thanks

King James Version1�
And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. 2�And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. 3�And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. 4�And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 5�And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 6�And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. 7�And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8�And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9�If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10�He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. 11�And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 12�And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13�And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14�And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15�And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. 16�And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17�And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18�Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

He was quoting me, you guys have the quote buttons but yet you are the ones quoting the wrong people lol

Martin>. "If you are gambling, then you are betting an asset against chance. Stocks are gambling, just like roulette.
Particularly when money is pouring into the stock market with no true basis in assets or productivity...just money chasing and driving money."


If you have a method that has proven to be right say a modest 53% of the time. Nobody is God here, but then you are not betting against chance.... you are betting WITH probability.

100 games, win 53(53%) lose 47
a hundred dollars a game....

win 5300
lose (with service vig) 110 per game, lose 5170

profit 130

add zeros to those numbers and it goes up exponentially, and 53% is not asking the person to never be wrong, they are nearly wrong as much as they are right...nearly

In Blackjack its different, because I dont know that the next hand will win 53% of the time, its more of a flow, knowing when its flowing in right direction and not. But technically, you need to win one more hand than you lose in order to profit.

Betting on or against chance would be a coin toss. But Id feel better betting that the next 53 flips will be heads out of 100

I do know that it evens out over time....

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Be marked and worship the beast or die sounds like absolute control to me...

I woulda said look beast, you're starting to get on my nerves, take you're numbers and go play in traffic....

Careful FD, from what I can tell, this beast is going to sound a lot like you lol. He's going to have an answer for everything and the whole world is going to agree... once all the Christians are gone.

Dont know how you can say that, every time i say something nobody believes me.... and they enjoy letting me know they dont believe me

but I will say if God would allow some stupid beast to take me over, then he's not God.The whole notion of a beast is absurd, HE created the universe out of scratch, HE Cant get rid of a Beast? Where did The Beast come from?

I believe the concept is ficticious, and that the beast, satan, is a metaphor for the "evil" in men.

But most things considered evil, are only evil when a label is put on it.

Ive seen documentarys on hitmen, some of them are so souless its like killing ants to them. We call them evil, but to themselves and like minded people, they are just people doing a job.

Most of us agree love is good, but didnt J Geils sing Love Stinks?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0LAs7X5ybE

The false prophet and the beast are both men FD...

I don't see anything about taking over the world economy. Can you specifically point out the reference?

Well ask them if they wanna fight, name the time and the place and ill be there.

Do you want to know pure horsechit?

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=financial+freedom+and+the+bible

how many videos of so called Bible men talking about how to get finances and the Bible. SOMEBODY is getting wealthy but its not the people watching. Jesus was a peasant, but this shows how one person thinks one way and another another

e�con�o�my

noun: economy; plural noun: economies

1.
the wealth and resources of a country or region, especially in terms of the production and consumption of goods and services.

(financial) resources
financial system
financial state
financial management

a particular system or stage of an economy.
"a free-market economy"

2.
careful management of available resources.
"even heat distribution and fuel economy"

sparing or careful use of something.
"economy of words"

adjective
modifier noun: economy

(of a product) offering the best value for the money.
"an economy pack"
designed to be economical to use.
"an economy car"

Marty, what must you be able to do in order to have and sustain any stable economy?

Tony

the article that you quoted by Hal Lindsay says that the anti-Christ and company will take over the world economy to accomplish world domination per Rev13.
I know how to look up definitions in the dictionary.

I am asking you to specifically quote Rev13 where it says what Lindsay claimed.

Really?

The question you should be asking is how would a Hebrew and Greek speaking Jew, 2000yrs ago, write about today's commerce...

What do you think the passage means?

The entire thing looks like the written interpretation of a Van Gogh painting in the last stages of his life to me.

But that is a separate issue. Today's issue is that you posted an article by Lindsay that unequivically asserts that Rev13 states that the a.c. et al will take over the world economy. I don't see anything like that written anywhere. So..point out exactly where it is. Please.