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I just haven't had time to keep with all this. I'm sorry.

Marty, I don't have my parents' birth certificate and that's not archeological evidence, anyway. In 50 years, people could claim it was fake. And would. Look at Obama.

My mom had no driver's license. She was born in Ireland, raised in London and then moved here. She never learned to drive. Definitely no house deeds.

Whatever few documents could be scraped up would be subject to intense scrutiny by skeptics. If the book of Acts strikes skeptics as a forgery, my specific parents never existed. There are no photos. I chose them for a reason.

Where I grew up is completely different now. And that's in 40 years.


FD, the Bible clearly teaches Jesus was born in Bethlehem but grew up in Nazareth. You can see for yourself with an hour's reading of Matthew 1 and 2, as well as Luke 1 and 2.

Yes the NT says that, but the prophecy said nothing about Bethlehem. It says Nazareth. If it all...
This reference says theres nothing in the OT predicting the Messiahs birthplace.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_2:23

Robert

It seems like you are making my point and not yours.
I don't see anything that I disagree with.

Couch dont pay any attention to this guy, he just wants to argue, and will do so ad naseum.

Always liked this song...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIs5StN8J-0

Lol... It just occurred to me that this thread is a perfect example of what's wrong with society these days. Without a steadfast moral compass to guide us, everyone just wants to be free to live however we choose, believe whatever we want to believe, and feel perfectly justified and contented within our own intellects. However, no matter how you revise history, the world has always been far too small for that... and the Earth has never been smaller than today.

Oh, wait... that's prophecy again. Damn, sorry... never mind...

For a person that supposedly never existed and yet has over two billion followers two thousand years later, says He was something or someone special in the eyes of man and God, and when He returns to set up His Kingdom here on earth, every knee will bow and confess Him as God.

Hey Everett, did you happen to catch this?

https://youtu.be/XRiW9TQyM3Y

Tony. You're back.

I do like feeling free to think my own thoughts. That is one of the major themes of Western Civ. I dont consider that immoral. What caught my eye in your post is "revise history." In your opinion, have I revised history in anything that I have posted here? If I have, I want to consider it and correct it.

Everett

I dont recall anyone posting that Christ never existed here. Did they?

Japov , What abut Hindu's and Muslims and Norse Religions, They feel just as strongly about their Religion, and how the world wants to do what they want, and they wonder how us Christians can live with ourselves not knowing the truth...

For me, that is the main challenge of all Religion is that there are so many. Hundreds before Christ ever came along, Many since, and new one arise fro time to time. Sun Gods, Rain Gods, Love Gods like myself, Then you have Clapton...

If ours was so obviously correct, there would be one religion, and one God, but there isnt.

The Dali Lama seems pretty content in his life and religion, we are no better than he is.

You have to think, you cant believe something because somebody tells you to. And really, it's all a matter of how you were raised. Very unlikely a child born Christian will convert to Hinduism, im sure it has happened, but its likely Hinduism would have no appeal to a Christian.

if there were only one Religion and Jesus was the only Savior, there would be no confusion. But every religion has a bible, every religion has a prophet and a martyr, and every religion has an afterlife, and every religion has die hard believers.

Hinduism means nothing to me, I respect them, but i have no reverence, no interest in knowing and no desire to become one. That's because of cultural and ethnic differences. They may wonder how I could be so callous and uninterested in GOD.

Do you know that many Muslims believe that Jesus was taken down from the cross, and never died to begin with? Which would explain how he resurected....

You may ask, now where the hell would they get that from, where does any of this come from?

God has been part of humans since day one, nobody knows how the hell we got here, and thats what made us look for one.

Imagine 25k years ago, seeing a tornado for the first time, these folks must have been scared out of their minds, no idea what caused it, and if it stopped raining and we had drought, God must be mad at something.

I go with my tradition, but im not arrogant or stupid enough to believe that my religion is the only way.

FD, Micah 5:2. This was known as a Messianic prophecy and was fulfilled by Jesus. (Matthew 2:1-6)


There's not much more I can say. The best way to convince someone that Who's Next is a great album is to get them to listen to it. A Wiki article is no substitute.

Read the Bible. It takes time and effort but is well worth it. There are also valuable study aids for those who want to dig deeper.

Who's next IS a great album.

Marty,
I don't believe you're being deceptive. I'm just more apt to believe the Bible than secular history, especially during the dark ages. I'm just as skeptical of secular history as you are of the Bible lol. Secular history is highly opinionated, mostly politically motivated, many times misinterpreted, and generally only serves the pride of men. You have to understand that, just as the Spirit gave men visions of the future, so also did men write the Bible as inspired by the Spirit. You're never going to find any meaning in the history of Christianity because the Bible is not a religion. Christianity wasn't spread around the globe by historical figures, it was spread by the Spirit according to the will of God. You have to study the Bible from God's perspective. It is God's Word and it delineates a historical account of how mankind has always rebelled against Him. The first lesson it teaches you is you're not God, you're not in control of anything, especially your own vanity, and without His mercy and forgiveness none of us would have a reason to exist. The Bible is not just a book of rules or a philosophy for better living. The Bible is God tapping you on the shoulder and saying, "Hey, I created you for a reason..."

Dom,
Consider Cain and Abel.. brothers and sons of Adam yet Cain rebelled. In Noah's day everyone knew how many generations removed they were from Adam and Eve yet they still rebelled. At the tower of Babel the flood was still fresh in everyone's mind. So, to say there were many false religions before Jesus is redundant. Why do you think He came? Do you honestly believe any man on this Earth could stand before God with a legitimate excuse today? I don't. But even if there are people who have never heard of Christ, that's what the 144,000 witnesses are for. God thinks of everything...

Tony

I'd be lying if I said that organized religion didnt look a lot more earthly and earthbound than what you describe.
But I'm glad that you have your faith and I'm glad that it brings you comfort and solace.

And, I'm agnostic...so if it turns out that you are right about all of it...that will be fine with me.
Headed for the gym. Have a good Saturday.

Japov, you wear one sided goggles. You run through the Cain and Abel and Noahs Story, as if it happened yesterday, and its on the news. And we can go to a museum and see a statue of Cain and Abel.

The story is probably 99% fable, even devout Christian scholars would attest.

If God EXISTS, absolutely, Nobody could stand before him. But isnt that the idea? We dont know that HE does. We have hope HE does.

Everybodys got a book, other religions have the same arguments within themselves and with others. There are probably Hindus right now arguing on another songwriting site, about their book, and what it meant.

Im a believer, but I do so in liu of how I rationally think. There's no logic when it comes to belief in God.

We must all be believing in the same God, we just have different ways of getting there.

Robert

This video popped up in my YT feed. It goes to the main point being discussed in this thread and the author seems informed and intelligent.
It seems to give a very good idea of where the state of biblical archeology is today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMWgI3_QF84

This is what I mean about a "designer" and what "faith" actually is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0nXG02tpDw

I like this guy. he's not an arrogant atheist, he considers possibility.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGSXzFP1WkE

I only read the last dozen posts, but was pleasantly surprised by the interesting facts and discussions. If you guys hadn't argued about arguing it would otherwise have been interesting and constructive to any latecomers.

FD does often seem to automatically take a primarily contrary view on any and every topic. If he didn't overpost on single topics it would be better. Putting multiple posts in a row is frankly annoying unless using the quote feature and responding to different people per post.

I am sure others have done it too, but I sure would prefer that folks post longer single replies rather than multiple in a row when arguing something. Too little use of the quote button makes it all just seem like random bickering for those not following along from the start. For those who don't, please try to use the quote button so newer folks can understand the point.

FYI:

I have been doing interview preparations with nearly 50 different artists, many with hits, or who have played/sung on hits, and who have done all sorts of interesting work at a PRO level. Once we start posting them (I have been on the road for a few weeks with a few to go) I am hoping we'll have more traffic here. Let's all try to make it a welcoming place and keep the arguments about arguments to PMs when possible please.

Carry on... nicely!

whatever Brian, its a music site, the topic is the problem not the comments. Sorry im the only one who doesnt match your standard

You guys may find this series interesting...
https://youtu.be/iPYkoKyRfKw

Dom,
I've tried to find God in the Qur'an, self awareness in philosophy, peace in meditation, and pride in knowledge... But the only thing that satisfies me is the Spirit. Think about it, the Spirit is the only logical reason that this debate has lasted for thousands of years. That's the obvious miracle evidence that everyone takes for granted. Nothing else in man's history has withstood the test of time.

Ive never read the Qur'an, but I do know that they think either Jesus was raised up bodily before crucifixion or that he was taken down before and survived it and never died in the first place. Same guy, different role in their religion, he's just another prophet to them. Muhammed is their Lord.

But as we have seen, some radicalized Muslims are willing to fly planes into buildings for this belief, and they are probably wrong in the first place, definitely wrong thinking violence is a spiritual awakening.

If your religion and belief brings you happiness, or gives you hope, or helps you understand this seemingly un-understandable world we live in, thats a great gift and leaves you better off than many wandering around aimlessly. So long as it doesnt hurt anyone else.

I dont think id find that in any religion, but my own, Catholic, because I was raised and went to Catholic school.

Meditation ive done. I actually first learned it in Theology class. To be honest, I dont think it did a damn thing for me. Other than keep me focused on doing the meditation every day. I did it every day for well over a year. It just got impossible to maintain. It was originally designed to keep me from jumping out of my seat during ball games/blackjack table.. thats how i restarted it.... lol. I was high strung, and wasnt a druggie. I do like my beer.

It does work, sometimes id float away and get scared where i was sailing to. That went away after awhile

Anyway, What we cant do, is insist that it's my way or the highway, as I said, Hindus have no interest in Jesus but they are just as much Gods people as we are, and have the same rights.

Christianity works for you, seems you are all in. Nothing wrong with that.

Before i get yelled at for particpating in the same conversation everyone else is, let me say, we need to get back to music.

Just a couple of notes to add to your post FD

I have met many people of different faiths in my interfaith activities

In the end all faiths have very similar "rules" and the basic "Golden Rule" exists in all of them. But what sets believers apart is in how they live their faith. Full stop

Also, be careful about saying Islamic "terrorists" or "radicals" are working from their faith. Not saying those behind the attacks do not weaponize their faith...but it is far more about secular power and "revenge" than anything else. And those that blow themselves up are unfortunately mostly dupes who are being used because of some trauma in their lives used by the puppet masters to get them to do their bidding

In the end, an wonderful thought...actually expressed by my daughter...is that "it is wonderful God allows people to worship Him in so many ways"

As you say, if it works for you, all is good.

Oh and Brian is not saying stop this conversation...just that he likes it kept civil, perhaps more compact, and suggests we use quotes to help understand the flow of things

I agree all faiths have almost identical systems of belief. Jesus' basic commandment was love one another as you would yourself. That stands true no matter what religion you are, or whether you believe in God at all. It's basic decency and common sense. And is in line with physics.... for every action, there is an equal an opposite reaction. So do The Ten Commandments, any city, state, or country with laws has the ten commandments in their laws, in one shape or form

Physics amazes me, im not smart enough to fully understand it...you need to BE a physicist for some of it, but when its made accessible to regular folk it fascinates me, and explains alot. Iike its pretty hard to understand reality, when reality doesnt exist...
https://www.livescience.com/objective-reality-not-exist-quantum-physicists.html

I did say SOME Muslims, radicalized is never a good thing, whether you fly planes into buildings or not.

While I agree "leaders": may not be acting in religion, usually the person doing the dying is. They believe they are going to Heaven with a bunch of virgins waiting for them, and they make money for their families in the process. I saw a documentary on it. The woman was talking about her son, "He's so excited, he can not wait for his reward, it's not what I want for him, but if that is what he wants, I wont interfere"

Its all sanctioned. The leader will give the family money for rest of their lives for the son giving up his. It's warped, and weird.

But again, a small fraction.

Religion is responsible for more deaths than all the non religious wars put together. When Soldier A thinks God is on his side, and Soldier B thinks the same thing...we got a problem.

Very Likely if God is to be found, it will be through physics, mathematics, etc. Not through my story verses yours

for the record...

The purpose of double posting is two fold... one, you have two seperate thoughts at two different times, may be somewhat related but not fully... Two, people may have already read your first post, and thus will never see your second one if you put it in your first one.

And when using a proxy, you are not able to quote.

Lol... Hey, FD... You wanna' jam?

Im not much a jammer any more. I used to be able to go to a club, yell out a few chord changes with the band and jam, usually blues stuff. When I got into writing i focused on writing good melodies so i lost alot of the improvising chops

Id prefer to work on songs, my own, or help out somebody else. But im still not setup to do guitar at the moment. Im doing alot of recording and writing, when i get there, i may do something with ya.

FD I remember talking to a Canadian Vietnam War veteran who flew the smaller escort helicopters...well armed and all but vulnerable when guarding the larger helicoper troopships that would land.

The escorts took up positions in the air to safeguard the troops but some of the ones in front would turn to face the copter on the ground...leaving their backs exposed...it was a very interesting conversation about helicopter warfare tactics.

What stuck with me though is that he told me Christian ministers would urge then to "Kill A Commie For Christ"

All sides are guilty here. It is just when "our side" does it, it's OK

And an interesting observation on your part that it is more like God will be discovered in physics or math....than in "our stories"

That is worthy of a thread all on its own.

IMO all human advancement has its origins in a quest for understanding God, our world and our place in it. It is behind all scripture, religion etc. So part of me agrees with your thought....but our stories are very important because expressive language can convey far more than symbolic language that represents reality as we believe it to be.

I also have a real heretical thought.

If "Eve eating the apple" is true, and caused our expulsion from "Eden", it was a great thing because it gave us "awareness" and "questioning our condition" and "observer status". It gave us "I think therefore I am" and it seperated us from other animals.

Well, when I say stories, i mean the Biblical stories, and every religion has a creation story, because that was a need humans had, what the hell are we doing here?

Yes, brutality and religion have a hand and glove history to them. You have to remember, it wasnt easy to get a religion off the ground back in the day. If some king or anybody important found out you were meeting for a Christian study, you could be killed. So there was bloodshed just to go to church so to speak. Imagine trying to beat down an entire empire who didn't like your religion. Looking to kill was just another day at the office for a while

And the catholic church, The pope often commanded the military. It's this idea of "well, we know we have God right, so this bloodshed must be right too" Not even stopping to think abut the very message they were trying to spread.

The Catholic Church burned scientists at the stake for discovering something they didnt want to be discovered, and jailed Galeleo for discovering that the Earth was not the center of the universe. Yet God never mentioned anything about the center of the universe, in the writings. So whose truth were they defending?

Probably 100,000 years before any of that, there were some cave dwelling people wondering what the hell we did wrong, when they saw lightning. And to this day we are still trying to figure out why we are here.

Science is getting good at the hows and the whens, but never offer much as far as the why's. Scientists claim there are no whys, that the universe doesn't owe us any explanations. Other people find that hard to believe.

Also never forget a priest who was working at a hospital I was when i first got out of high school. Some news flash came up about some serial killer being caught. The priest says "I wouldnt even give him a trial, he'd be worm food if I was judge"

And im thinking this is a priest? Even priests are violent at the core.

btw, awareness, is the only thing that makes us different from the animals. We are aware that we are aware, no other creature on earth can say that.

Now there's something I've always struggled with... How am I supposed to love my enemies when some people are just inherently evil?

right, do you turn the other cheek, and risk getting a blow much harder the second time, possibly killing you.

Most experts would say Jesus was being symbolic. You cant allow somebody to take your head off, and your natural animal instinct will be to fight. Maybe Jesus meant in general, turning the other cheek is the smart move, and probably is. Bears dont want any part of you, it's smarter for them to avoid you and run away, come back later. But if you corner it, and force it to fight, it will tear you to shreds.

Yes, MRI of "evil" people are quite different than normal people. So much so, that there are now lawyers who practice this type of criminal defense, showing the mri to the jury, and claiming their client is incapable of acting civil.

So if some people are hard wired to be evil, where does that put them in Gods eye? Forgive them father, for they know not what they do? catch 22ish

Brian

If you are bringing in serious song producing professionals, you really should shut down and forbid political and religious discussions. They never truly go well. One person's casual remark is another person's heresy. These categorical discussions never break any new ground and run the risk of causing people who want to promote themselves and their music to conclude that they dont want to be part of the place where it occurs.

That is not my opinion. It is time forged fact proven over and over again through the centuries.

And there are uncountable numbers of places where someone can go express or argue about these concerns

Perhaps "Love your enemy" is simply supposed to pose this question... Considering how much God has already forgiven, how does God justify His judgment?

What a lousy weekend overall, today might actually do something.

Love your enemy is the hardest thing to do, and revenge is a dish best served cold... nothing feels better than revenge or winning.

Jesus said love your enemy, before HE washed away sin.

If you believe anything of Jesus, than you must believe everything. Otherwise HE's not God. So its pretty clear he meant what he meant.

Matthew 5:3�12
Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.
Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the Earth.
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be satisfied.
Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called children of God.
Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.
Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.
Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

It's not an all or none in my books FD.

Not saying "shopping" is appropriate...just saying that being a Christian and having doubts is not incompatible.

It means you have examined your faith, your system of belief etc and have come to some conclusion on that basis

AND because what you and I and everyone else believes MUST BE BASED ON FAITH ALONE, that to me says all faith that leads us to live good lives is fine by me, and more importantly, all faiths that encourage living a just life based on its basic precepts (all faiths have this...the 10 Commandments, The 7 Pillars of Islam, the 8 Fold Path of Buddhismetc etc...all contain worthy ideals to live by and are mostly similar when examined...and all have The Golden Rule) are inherently good. I have come to believe that all that is good about religion and faith is about God, and all that is evil is due to fallible humanity

It also means I cannot judge others based on their faith or ours, or harm others because of their faith or ours, or judge others' actions we believe goes against our faith.

My take is that if we believe in God and accuse someone of anything "on behalf of God" we transgress and assume His power to condemn or forgive or deal with the individual. Is that not what Heaven and Hell are for?

I agree John, but, in Jesus' case HE is God. So, what I notice alot of people do is pick Bible words that are comfortable, and ignore or pass off the others.

If Jesus is the truth, the light, and the way, and nobody can get into the kingdom of heaven, but through HIM. Then, we have to accept that we must love our neighbor, we must sell everything we own, and follow HIM. We must turn the other cheek, and know that if we get rich, its harder for a rich man to get into the Kingdom of Heaven, than it is for a camel to get through the eye of a needle. And those, that love their life on Earth, will hate their life in Heaven. And those who hate their life on Earth will love their life in Heaven.

So what I meant was, If we accept ONE of his teachings, how do we not accept another...HE is God.

This is something I see and notice all the time with Christians. We pick and choose what we can live with, and then come up with some jibberish to justify...why we wont sell everything we own, and come and follow me.

If we dont believe some commandments, then why are we to believe HE died for our sins either.

But in general, i agree with you, we all have doubts, but if you have doubts, you must doubt the whole story, not a part of it..he is GOD.

Unless you dont believe HE is God, then you're not really a practitioner but a historian.

Ah I see your point FD

I guess I am saying one can have doubts about the exact nature of Jesus, but that does not mean the same person cannot believe in God or that the life of Jesus was not profound in itself or that His teachings are somehow unworthy....and as a consequence live by Christian ideals and practice Christianity

Some (well officially a number of Christian "sects") would agree with you and say that is not good enough and stick to a literal interpretation that faith alone is of consequence so..."yes you live by Christian ideals, yes you are a good and just person...but no you cannot be a Christian because you lack faith or have some doubt, hence salvation is lost to you."

If that is so, Torquemada is in Heaven and all non Christian major religious figures and their followers are destined for Hell. This is simply not something I can accept

Unless you want to make another post, let's let this go...unless Couch or Everett or someone who understands Chritianity better than I do want to add something

lol i dont count huh? I went to catholic school for 12 years... Parents spent alot of dough for it, when they didnt have it.

I have admitted TO God that i have trouble believing, but I have known many people "deep" into Christianity who do what I described above.

What good is it knowing the Bible inside out if you're an A hole. The whole point of it is to NOT be an AHole.

But Im willing to listen to other views.

Believing in God is a yes or a no and we must accept His Son as our Savior. There is no grey with God. What we read in the Bible may be uncomfortable, in parts, to our human thinking but every word is the word of God and by Faith we must accept it. If one word is not His then nothing in the Bible is His word.

Fd .... There are many people who are A holes and know the Bible off by heart but God still loves them and if they have accepted Jesus, in their heart, as their Savior, guess where they're going.? We humans think they are A holes because that's the title we have given them. God sees them as His children. I believe in God and His word, much of which from a human perspective is hard to understand (believe). But i do believe someday I will know those things I do not know today. Until that point in time I live by Faith. Now if I could just stop sinning.......

Steve

Ricky Gervais poses a couple of questions that I think are interesting?

#1 How old is the world according to Genesis or any other biblical source?
# Why is their no mention of dinosaurs in the OT or NT anywhere?

Can anyone here answer those?

I Agree Steve, but many of Jesus commandments have a practicality to them that is WORLDY, not UNWORLDY.

I have to think if Jesus decided to tell us something, he didnt do it cause he had nothing else to do. He wanted us to live that way. Thats part of the trick for me, If all you have to do is accept Jesus as your savior, there's not much point of anything else written...you're in the club!

I had a Jewish co worker one time who was an Orthodox Jew, they believe the Earth is 10k years old tops...

Which we KNOW is not true. He also used to argue that he believed dinosaurs were from a different world.

The reason there are no Dinosaurs in The Bible, is because Dinosaurs were already extinct before The Bible was written.

It clearly shows the Bible was written by people, cause they describe the times they were living in. Probably woulda made good singer songwriters.

The operative words are "in their heart" Our works prior to accepting Christ can never get us there only the acceptance of Christ as our Savior, in our hearts will. And in the end it matters not what humans think about the supposed unsavoury among us, God will know their hearts.
It begs the old question, if Hitler, in his heart, accepted Christ as his Savior, in the bunker or wherever he was prior to his death?????

Once accepting Christ then we have much work to do.

The problem is the crazy little thing called sin. Some are big and some are small to us but God sees them as sins and has forgiven them. Yes Jesus does want us to live by His word and none do, so the death of Christ, on the cross, resolved the issue for God not humans. It is His world, His Universe, His Eternity, His everything and we can only live by Faith. He decides what will happen and that is a part of the whole believing thing that is hard to take.

Steve thats also a matter of what denomination you are. I had a born again christian telling me that Satan was preventing me from leaving the catholic church. No, Satan had nothing to do with it, i was raised catholic.

But they believe too, that one can not earn salvation, it's a gift. Fine, but that would mean I could be as nasty as I want to people, so long as I am not nasty to God, Im good.

If God knows everything going on in our mind, and our subconcious mind, according to that, were all doomed.

When I see a naked woman, nothing is going to stop me from enjoying it. I was enjoying it before I even acknowledge her standing there. "Sin" is instantaneous, reflex. Just cause you dont try to make a date with her, because you're married, doesnt mean your primal signals aren't cutting through, We have no control over that, and if God created us, HE knows that.

HE also wouldnt have created "doubt" at all. Why create doubt, and then punish us for doubting. Thats a bit like a parent surounding their kids with booze, and then punishing them for drinking it, or even opening it.

Doubt has a very useful function so does fear and negativity.

Some point to Job 40 15-24.

When I said " I believe in God and His word, much of which from a human perspective is hard to understand (believe). But i do believe someday I will know those things I do not know today. " this is one of them. All that I do not know, I hope will be explained, Until then I must believe the Bible to be the word of God.

I cant dispute the Bible being the word of God. Ill never be able to prove or disprove it. And I have hope it is.

But I will say, people wrote the Bible. If God wrote it, there would be no confusion, we wouldnt need a hundred interpreters. And HE had to have know even in 2021 people would be discussing this. People wrote it, I was educated that it was "God Inspired" meaning God got in the heads of the writer. Ok, possible.

But some songwriters think the same thing....

Wrong questions Marty.

For one, the Bible need not concern itself with "how old in the world"? Second, the Bible was written by early man inspired by their own quest for understanding their world and knew nothing of science. I think literal believers in the Bible believe it is all the Word of God, speaking through prophets and messengers, and speaking to matters of religion and community. I'm not surprised the age of the earth or the universe goes unmentioned.

As I understand it, (an I happily stand corrected if wrong), Genesis does not mention anything other than the process and that creation took 7 days...and from there various approaches and adherents calculated\extrapolated from there. Scholars do not agree here and that the earth is supposed to 10000 years old or so is not accepted by all

WRT dinosaurs going unmentioned...they were not around when the Bible was written and of no consequence

But there is definite fossil evidence of their exiostence, and science has determined a lot about our universe, its age based on certain assumptions about thre speed and behaviour of light, and the age of our own galaxy, solar system, and how it was formed. All is based on observation and the laws of physics as learned over the years

To me, I have no issue with all these things not mentioned in the Bible, or if science clarifies something that was assumed based on writings of men years ago who knew little of science.

I think Gervais was just being facetious. Basicly he's saying what were saying. If Dinosaurs were gone before The Bible was written, then how can the creation story be accuarate.

Meaning they wrote it, when they wrote it, with no knowledge of how the world evolved or came to be.

The Bible doesnt mention dogs either, but they were around.

Its very simple to see that the people who wrote the Bible could only write from what they knew. Perhaps it was God inspired, and made sense to many people during THAT time period, and was never meant to be read thousands of years later by more intelligent and educated people.

The whole thing is enough to give one a headache. Why doesnt God just show up today. End all the speculation. Its like a thousand year drama playing out, and we die never seeing it. A bit like how well never know if there is life in outer space.

Also not mentioned in the Bible, and they couldnt even dream of the idea of going to the moon. But GOD would know.