Colin I have also been to some terrible places.....believe me.....and the colour of politics does not matter one jot.....extreme deprivation and poverty happens under all administrations whether communist or capitalist or most other isms.....just to clarify for the benefit of Ray who is hard of thinking.....none of the communist countries you mention Ray are true socialist they are just corrupt dictatorships....socialism has never been tried or given a chance....Ray when you talk about groceries on shelves you assume that ALL people have the means to buy them......try telling that to the parentless street urchins in some of the capitalist countries I mentioned in an earlier post....or do they not count as worth bothering about in your perfect world of greed....as long as you are OK.....stuff everyone else...now that IS capitalism....and one reason I could never support it.....
I have to adopt the attitude when in Rome and if you cannot beat them join them to get by...but it still does nothing to change my morals, ideals and philosophy.

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