as a lyricist I hate to write this but
very often the least important part of a pop song are the lyrics
most important parts are the melody, music, and production

we call all cite examples of famous songs with weak lyrics
Feliz Navidad, Unchained Melody, everything by KC and the Sunshine Band,

people love the songs and they did well in their time

Kara might not write songs with lyrics like Townes Van Zandt
Celine loved Taking Chances enough to record it and release it as a single, I think she feels like it represented where she was in life. Kara's smart, fast and in demand.
Now that she's an idol judge, she'll probably be in even bigger demand.

Originally Posted by the songcabinet

Hmm quite interesting Ande,

I hear ya, but stumbled on your remarks on great songs.
Who are the people who are doing these value for money judgements about song quality?

No offence, but I'd like to hear the plain folks in here, about a couple Kara Dioguardi's hitsongs?

One is Spinning Around, recorded by Kylie Minouge.

Lyrics from AZlyrics.com:

"Spinning Around"

Spinning around
Oooh-oh

I'm spinning around
Move out of my way
I know you're feelin' me 'cuz you like it like this
I'm breakin' it down
I'm not the same
I know you're feelin' me 'cuz you like it like this

Clearin' this house out of joy that I borrowed
From back in the day
Threw away my old clothes
Got myself a better wardrobe
I got something to say

I'm through with the past
Ain't no point in looking back
The future will be
And did I forget to mention that I found a new direction
And it leads back to me?

I'm spinning around
Move out of my way
I know you're feelin' me 'cuz you like it like this
I'm breakin' it down
I'm not the same
I know you're feelin' me 'cuz you like it

Mistakes that I made givin' me the strength
To really believe
And no matter how I take it
There's no way i'm gonna fake it 'cuz it's gotta be real

I've got nothin' left to hide
No reason left to fight
'Cuz the truth's given me a new freedom inside
Gettin' rid of my desire
Do you like what you see?

I'm spinning around
Move out of my way
I know you're feelin' me 'cuz you like it like this
I'm breakin' it down
I'm not the same
I know you're feelin' me 'cuz you like it like this

Ooh-oh baby, baby, baby
You know you like it like this
Ooh-oh baby, baby, baby
You know you like it like this
Ooh-oh baby, baby, baby

I'm spinning around
Move out of my way
I know you're feelin' me 'cuz you like it like this
I'm breakin' it down
I'm not the same
I know you're feelin' me 'cuz you like it like this

Oh, I'm not the same
You like it like this
Ooh-oh

I'm a little green to decide on the particular qualities of this lyric, and sure the production sound great in Kylies version, but is it really all about measuring up to the qualities of this lyrics and of course the music to it?

Another one from Kara Dioguardi:

Taking Chances recorded by Celine Dion, lyrics from lyricsmode.com:

Don't know much about your life.
Don't know much about your world, but
Don't want to be alone tonight,
On this planet they call earth.

You don't know about my past, and
I don't have a future figured out.
And maybe this is going too fast.
And maybe it's not meant to last,

But what do you say to taking chances,
What do you say to jumping off the edge?
Never knowing if there's solid ground below
Or hand to hold, or hell to pay,
What do you say,
What do you say?

I just want to start again,
And maybe you could show me how to try,
And maybe you could take me in,
Somewhere underneath your skin?

What do you say to taking chances,
What do you say to jumping off the edge?

Never knowing if there's solid ground below
Or hand to hold, or hell to pay,
What do you say,
What do you say?

And I had my heart beaten down,
But I always come back for more, yeah.
There’s nothing like love to pull you up,
When you’re laying down on the floor there.
So talk to me, talk to me,
Like lovers do.
Yeah walk with me, walk with me,
Like lovers do,
Like lovers do.

What do you say to taking chances,
What do you say to jumping off the edge?
Never knowing if there's solid ground below
Or hand to hold, or hell to pay,
What do you say,
What do you say?

Don’t know much about your life
And I don’t know much about your world

I could have used almost any of Kara's hitsongs as an example. Of course the genre (Hot AC or Teen Pop) is a little bit off what most people are doing in here, and I am not trying to put neither you or Kara (no envy, I promise) out on a limb her.

All I am saying, is that I read lyrics of the same quality on a daily basis in here, just aimed at different genres and/or markets if you wish.

Ok, often the music does not add up, certainly not the production, and probably not the network. So could it be that you have deceptively right here - that is the song is only 25% of the size required?

And finally, it could be fun to have a forum where hit lyrics were critiqued by this community, as if they were still in process :-)

Well, just adding some uncensored thoughts here. Please tell me wrong, my convictions are drifting in the wind..

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