Hey John You kinda missed my point. Matt was stating that certain bands use little technology and still produce great sounds. This is an ongoing viewpoint from an old thread he keeps bringing up. I was just stating that he was vastly underestimating the amount of technology the so called "non tech" bands he mentions actually use. I still feel that a lot of recording artists use technology to hide their inadequate talents rather than using it to enhance the obvious talents they have. The point about a great song and performance still sounding good without being "doctored" is perfectly valid unfortunately nowadays great songs are like hen's teeth, very rare. So instead they use technology to make mediocre songs sound good. I am fed up watching bimbos or boy band types lip sync to backing tracks because they obviously cannot sing live or produce live music like the recording.