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I just got back from work and to my surprise the topic has seemed to die down some. Darn! This is entertaining.
Much music nowadays sounds like someone took a karoake song, scrambled it around, and called it an original. But every now and then, someone comes along with something of their own, definately has an order to it, and would'nt compromise. I don't hear a lot of much new nowadays, although I do hear it occasionally.
I guess being a realist that has no desire to be a performer or conform to a given way, than I will always be where I am with it. But also that trends do change, especially when revenue get stagnant in the music business. I try to fit the structures to the pattern. I would like to have people take a song idea and do something around it. Could it be a lick, a lyric, a fragment? From what have been hits with what a post has been pointed out, I can never be that horrible. And I also loathe it when a musician believes they can presume whether I made attempts because they don't find it good enough. Especially when it would be a lot easier nowadays to fake my way in. What I regret are collab opportunities that I passed up. Most professionals are too sqeaky tight in their ass to do that. But I can only bend for their way if they can bend for mine. I would take someone like Jason Blume upon his own merits and take what may work for my situation. I'm sure it would be a great, interesting read anyway. But we all have our own situation, wants, and desires.
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Hey Matt much of todays music IS karaoke. In the last few years our charts have been awash with covers by boy bands and girl bands and solo pop idol types.
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Mike, I'm breathless (maybe even rhymeless) I love what you wrote. If you didn't get your point across w/that I fear nothing will. It was beautiful. 
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What's that you say Ben, I don't rhyme when I'm mad, Well I rhyme even then, But rhyme more when I'm glad. For I have no control, On the rhymes that I say, They all flow from my soul, Every night, every day. One may call it a blessing, One may call it a curse, But in truthful confessing, I see all life in verse. 
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Congratulations Vikki on your great news!! That's wonderful!!! 
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Lynn it's so good to hear that your rhymes don't disappear in anger and in fear they will always be here
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very nice ande You guys inspire me. This was originally the Hummingbird and the Grouch. The Humminbird and the Artist (c) 2008 words and music by Mike Dunbar A Hummingbird flew by the Artist's window She could see her reflection in his pane Though her hum was sweet and clear The Artist could not hear Her refrain But he kept sketching flowers with his charcoal Trying hard to capture beauty in black dust He'd tear away each page Then crumble it with rage And disgust Oh if we could only see what's in our eyes And throw away our doubt and expectation What would it take for us to realize There is beauty in the simplest creation The Hummingbird could see the Artist's flower As it stood upon his table in a cup She kept trying to break through Til with nothing left to do She gave up Oh if we could only see what's in our eyes And throw away our doubt and expectation What would it take for us to realize There is beauty in the simplest creation Beauty in the simplest creation
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Congratulations Vikki on your great news!! That's wonderful!!! thanks! I couldn't do it without the support of my friends 
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There's enough creative juices For all of us to drink But the bad apples confuses Those of us who think We all have something to offer Even if it's just a drop Or as much as a waterfall There's enough in this world For all of us to contribute And at the end of the day Instead of anger and contrition We could be healthier from musical nutrition And have something left to celebrate.
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Gregory pray tell me What inspire's you to write A change of medication? Or something you ate last night Could it have been meditation In the silence of the room Or perhaps a quote by Braheny I know..it's a book by Jason Blume.
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Without the world my friend, Inspiration would be dead. It's everyone around me and it's also everything. I'm inspired by what you say And I'm inspired by what others do. I'm inspired by the sunlight in a day And I'm inspired by every drop of rain. So can inspiration be found inside a book? It could be. It could be. Can the world around me help me find my hook? Absolutely. Absolutely. This is my answer to your question. The world inspires me.
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The first thing I should have done is congraulate this musician/book writer if I were to say anything. Being a book writer in itself even takes a certain skill.
I had this little vision before the net of how I could find all kinds of publishers for all kinds of music. But then the other side to that is that there are a million more like that.
I admittidly want people to like everything that I do since I spent hours doing these compositions. - Who does'nt that does it and is serious about it?. Though I can see after 4 years how they would'nt like many of them. It is a learning process. Even publishers that say they don't like it without spending an arm and a leg for some organization would be great. I hav'nt really got into the process too deeply. Just placing recordings up to see what listenership there may be, with a workable homesite to where I can place information on, and going to different sites like this for tips.
If the price of a book can point someone in a direction with it, that is a bargain.
It seems to get like a game at times. I guess it is. There would'nt be books written on the subject if it were not a bit gamey.
I appreciate people that give good advice and their time, just as Vicki and some other members have. I don't think I was here yet when Jason Blume was here. But appearantly he was like that.
All the more power to him.
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Greg,you've just gave me inspiration I did not need a second look Not only have i got the song You've just supplied the hook Inspiration is everywhere And it is free for every man So use your talents wisely And write the best you can.
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Some arguments get pretty bad Some others even worse But no one seems to get too mad When you state your points in verse
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you guys are so talented you make me stop and think if I lived near any one of you I'd take you for a drink
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We can teach each other, We can learn from everyone. I'm glad to be an inspiration, A mentor and a teacher, To the song of yours that will be spun.
Take note my friend, Jason Blume is just like one of us. He took a step and took a risk, Success is his and he just wants to share With the rest of us.
I respect him and I respect you. I love the potential in all of us And I am anxious to see what we all can do. Let's write and write and write! Let's show others that we can do better Than argue with each other In many fonts and type!
Go forth and conquer the hook you've got! Show me the best that you can do, Show me in the form of a wonderfully written song!
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There's nothing wrong with Jason Blume Hey, he's my kind of dude A music man, a real cool cat He even eats cat food
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To eat catfood Or not to eat catfood. Now that is a really good question. It's not an option I would take, I'd rather eat from a jar of peanut butter. But if there are any other options For a starving songwriter, Then pray tell what can that be my brother?
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So much to a rhyme Like a wine before it's time If I can't think of a rhyme or read a book I'll just take out my guitar and really cook I'm not much up on todays big boom The only Blume I have heard is Eric Bloom Yesterday's great talents all forsook All the cyber hustling and bustling, like a pawn to a rook
(disclaimer: I'm not good at all with poetry, I just like lyrics)
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A dozen eggs, some mac & cheese A bag of masa harina Popcorn, pasta, all as cheap As that nasty can of Purina
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Someone get the doctor, My heart is beating fast, I'm getting high on rhymes, I only hope it lasts. It seems there was dissention, And now there's rhyming verse, I do detect a sweet reprieve, From hurting, biting words. Perhaps that is the answer, Perhaps rhymes help us heal, I knew that rhymes were magic, How good they make us feel!!! 
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This is for you Vikki
I'd love to have a drink with you That would be really neat But I do not think I'd really want To go for something to eat.
Cause Jason Blume has rubbed off on you And that is not so good If we went out out for a meal You'd probably order cat food.
Miaow!!!!!
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There's nothing wrong with Jason Blume Hey, he's my kind of dude A music man, a real cool cat He even eats cat food ROTFL!!!
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This is for you Vikki
I'd love to have a drink with you That would be really neat But I do not think I'd really want To go for something to eat.
Cause Jason Blume has rubbed off on you And that is not so good If we went out out for a meal You'd probably order cat food.
Miaow!!!!! that's funny.... I was just at the store, and I definitely felt a pull of energy as I walked by the cans of cat food. But I settled for a 70% dark chocolate bar 
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Chocolate that sounds purrfect! Any cream to go with it. miaoww!!!!
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Finally, a sense of direction a listing of wants and needs a smattering of this and that without all the moral indignation
Sometimes it takes some time until we all see what is best and until we all get there let's just converse in rhyme
I guess rhyme might be answer brings together left and right negativity is a cancer but acceptance is a shining light
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Unite! Unite! Lets take each other by the hand, Sing together and become one voice! Unite! Unite! There's a song in each and every one of us That we all need to recognize! Let's write! Let's write! I see the sun rising, for the storm is now receding! Let's keep the verses flowing, This message is worth repeating! I can't help it, the spirit of song Is taking over me! Do you feel it? Can you see it? The verse of reason is changing this Into positive energy!
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I once thought that I knew everything until I found that I didn't it can be a humbling moment when "is" turns to "isn't"
when all was seeming bleak and I looked into the black my friends and the songs found a way to bring me back
It's a short step from edge It's the last bet I'll hedge 'Cause when I've gone too far I can find refuge in my guitar
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You see, I used to be arrogant. But the truth is, My head was too inflated and it turned people off instead. It's been quite some time Since my ego has been deflated And I found some solace in humility. Brian Austin Whitney Has offered some good advice, And I try to live with dignity Instead of filling my words with ice. It's quite refreshing, To offer truth and confession In a written verse, 'Cuz we all could use some forgiveness If we want to live together in harmony, As we try to figure out what life is all about In this frighteningly small universe.
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Dunbar's just a senile plucker Big Jim should get the hell out Blume's a catfood-eating dork And Watton is a sell-out Couch's verse is way too dense And Kevin's so defensive Hummingbird thinks I'm a turd ...but my rhymes are non-offensive (ducks and runs)
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Time is too short, To be short with each other, Just always remember, He ain't heavy he's my brother!  Go to You Tube - He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother - Hollies  Quoting a piece of that song.... "If I'm laden, at all, I'm laden with sadness, That everyone's heart, Isn't filled with the gladness, Of love for one another"
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I may be a sell out, But anyone can do it Without making others mad. You call me a sell out And I am not offended. In fact, I am in such a good mood From all this rhyming, That you will be free from being reprimanded.
A hit song, a classic, a super melody. Brings us all closer to rhyming in harmony. So bring it, bring it, bring all that you've got. We're friends and JPF'ers, Unless you have forgot!
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I'm glad you're not offended Because a "sell-out" you are not A man who sells his music Is a man who's sizzling hot
It's anything for a laugh, with me But I ought to give it a rest Because knowing there are folks like you Is what make this place the best
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Woe is me what am I to do. I was told by a person in the biz in Nashville that my song was very Dylanesque. I got back to Michigan and played it for a couple folks at the Music shop I frequent and was told "that song sounds like something Dylan would write.... I am lost what shall I do. Oh! Woe is me....
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You all can make a lovely rhyme But with a little luck You'll learn something from Jason Blume And then you'll make a buck.
You've got to know your limitations. I don't know what your limitations are. I found out what mine were when I was twelve. I found out that there weren't too many limitations, if I did it my way. -Johnny Cash It's only music. -niteshift Mike Dunbar Music
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I was going to write one That rhymed a bit like yours But if I did I probably would swear and end up in the manure.
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Bill,
Now that you mention it, you kind of look like Dylan too.
You've got to know your limitations. I don't know what your limitations are. I found out what mine were when I was twelve. I found out that there weren't too many limitations, if I did it my way. -Johnny Cash It's only music. -niteshift Mike Dunbar Music
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A Tail of Woe..(apologies to Rabbie Burns)
Beware of all ye Songwriters Who may partake in Jason's class It is rumoured he consumed cat food So... he might lick his own ass.
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Which part of Dillon?!?!
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This story here is a must Let me tell you from the start Our forefathers have taught us that most music's from the heart No need to make a big fuss its just another form of art diversity's a big plus with every note and every part So let us not breed distrust No need to speak words sharp the art of sound is lawless play the fiddle, synth, or harp remember this now because notes or words are witty and smart
Our ancestors have said back then "we'll sing our stories through" dressed with sackcloth or in linen they felt sticks and drums would do as they set upon there mission to try a plan brand new an easy smooth discussion to voice their point of view inspite of criticism inspiration could shine true mere musical mutation was obviously due life is change, no hesitation in mankind this is the clue like with any styled creation Its really up to you! ___________________________________________________________________________
So if ya really think about it, all forms of music today, came from people who took risks! If nobody sat down and developed instruments, singing, thoughts notes and put then together, You would have no music. From tribal drum beats of our forefathers to the guitars of now, Someone had to sit down and dare to be different...so that these things existed. (I don't think all of it sounded "pretty" all of the time either) and I'm positive that in their experimental processes, they were misunderstood Ridiculed, harshly judge. Some people want to play it safe and stick with the tried and true of today, but let us not look down upon those who choose to be adventurous...because these individuals pave The way for new musical discoveries that are just as important at the old ones. There are opportunities For growth that others can build on, and as for myself...I'm always excited to learn something new. ***This is fun, we should have a talk in rhyme only thread some place on here!
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You all can make a lovely rhyme But with a little luck You'll learn something from Jason Blume And then you'll make a buck. LOL
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Indigo, You light the website Love that Sto! Tangerine Dream Trip Hop Airplane Heart You walk the walk And act the part This thing called music Can confound us But we have teachers All around us Johnson Mozart Franklin Jones Notes and rhythm chords and tones Sinatra takes a Holiday Lennon does it Dylan's way Is it money that we're after (Scuse me while I stop for laughter) Money would be nice Liquor is quicker Buy the band a round But don't pay the picker And now the meter's changing The kids are in their time They get to rearranging The way the old folks rhyme So Luboff Cloyd and Seskin Schock While Blume and John Braheney rock The Teachers teach the students fight And this here foot just says, "Good Night."
Welcome, Indigo.
You've got to know your limitations. I don't know what your limitations are. I found out what mine were when I was twelve. I found out that there weren't too many limitations, if I did it my way. -Johnny Cash It's only music. -niteshift Mike Dunbar Music
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Indigo, You light the website Love that Sto! Tangerine Dream Trip Hop Airplane Heart You walk the walk And act the part This thing called music Can confound us But we have teachers All around us Johnson Mozart Franklin Jones Notes and rhythm chords and tones Sinatra takes a Holiday Lennon does it Dylan's way Is it money that we're after (Scuse me while I stop for laughter) Money would be nice Liquor is quicker Buy the band a round But don't pay the picker And now the meter's changing The kids are in their time They get to rearranging The way the old folks rhyme So Luboff Cloyd and Seskin Schock While Blume and John Braheney rock The Teachers teach the students fight And this here foot just says, "Good Night."
Welcome, Indigo.
LOL... Hey Mike, I have no idea what you are talking about, but its still entertaining non the less:-) Thanx 4 the warm welcome.
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It's part of my new style. I'm trying to write things that are not understandable, so the serious writers will like me.
You've got to know your limitations. I don't know what your limitations are. I found out what mine were when I was twelve. I found out that there weren't too many limitations, if I did it my way. -Johnny Cash It's only music. -niteshift Mike Dunbar Music
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This is for no one in particuliar. But you will know who I mean:
Some musicians play a charmer Though they are quite the penis warmer God's gift to music, here's their mass To be such a conceded ass Though change can be good There's the need to reconstitute Give your mind either a bowl of cherries Or just to hear their fart in the wind, a lingering, smelly toot
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Nothing wrong with that, look out you might start to like it!
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LOL - Yeah, there is kind of that masochist side to where it rubs off.
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What exactly is all this about? hahahaha.. I missed the entire discussion... it had to be about more than that article though.
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Brian Austin Whitney Founder Just Plain Folks jpfolkspro@gmail.com Skype: Brian Austin Whitney Facebook: www.facebook.com/justplainfolks"Don't sit around and wait for success to come to you... it doesn't know the way." -Brian Austin Whitney "It's easier to be the bigger man when you actually are..." -Brian Austin Whitney "Sometimes all you have to do to inspire humans to greatness is to give them a reason and opportunity to do something great." -Brian Austin Whitney
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I stumbled on this topic while doing a search on my Casey Kasem lyric. Zoo inks...I was making friends all over back then! I just ordered Blume's book on the music biz a few weeks back and it's very informative as regards publishing etc. I still believe you can't learn anything but creative mediocrity from books, workshops, mentors and seminars but his business book is well worth owning for anyone orbiting a small amount of success.  Ps here's hoping it's a good long while before I repost my lyric called "Jamie Lee Curtis".
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Nothin like a good songwriting argument to...err kill time.
Couch, I think you can learn a boatload from a book, what you cant learn is talent. The most gifted lyricist ever born would not be writing commercially viable, well structured, focused, lyrics without learning, in some way how to do it.
Just because some learn on their own, and others from a book doesnt mean either or is "better"
I get a chuckle out of folks who say they never learned anything, they just did it. Bogus on many fronts.
Even people who dont write anything know a song has a verse, a chorus, a bridge, nobody taught them that, they just consumed it.
That's what most musicians and songwriters do, they listen to music and try to emulate it.
You cant learn to run a 40 yard dash in 4.1, but you can learn how to maximize your time.
Cant learn to throw a fastball 95 mph, but you can learn how to control it and aim it right.
Cant teach fast, cant teach smart, cant teach instinct, but you can teach how to use all of that to it's full potential.
Still need to know the rules of songwriting and how songs are put together, and what makes some of them work
But I agree, books wont make you a great writer, talent will, books will just help with the nuts and bolts.
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