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Hi Folks,
We have some folks who want to help us develop our site a bit more. As we discuss possibilities, I'd like to put together a list of key services for the musician and songwriters needs.
For example:
CD Distribution (aka CD Baby) Digital Distribution (aka CD Baby) Independent A&R (aka TAXI) Site Song Storage, Downloads and Sales (aka Soundclick) Booking Assistance Tools (aka Sonic Bids) CD/DVD Manufacturing (aka Disc Makers) Political Representation (aka Future of Music Coalition) Internet Radio/Streaming Broadcast (aka Pandora) Music Licensing Sites (aka Audiosparx) Education Resources (aka SongU) Information Resources (aka Muses Muse) Music Retailer (aka Musicians Friend) Music Demo Company (aka Session Players) Musician Website Hosting (aka Hostbaby) Public Networking Sites (aka MySpace) Books and misc (aka Amazon) Music Organizations (aka Just Plain Folks) Search Engines (Google) OnLine Copyright Registration (Library of Congress) Local Chapter Networks (NSAI) Music News and Press Releases (Mi2N) Music Promotion Sites (Music Submit) Music Marketing Info (Bob Baker)
You get the drift. What I want is to find more of these types of services and example companies of the best you know that do that thing.
This project will also involve our volunteers to help discover multiple quality examples of each segment. I need this info pretty quickly.. so now I leave it up to all of you.
Email me at jpfolkspro@aol.com if you want to keep it private, or post your responses on the Mentor Message Board here.
Thanks in Advance!
Brian
Brian Austin Whitney Founder Just Plain Folks jpfolkspro@gmail.com Skype: Brian Austin Whitney Facebook: www.facebook.com/justplainfolks"Don't sit around and wait for success to come to you... it doesn't know the way." -Brian Austin Whitney "It's easier to be the bigger man when you actually are..." -Brian Austin Whitney "Sometimes all you have to do to inspire humans to greatness is to give them a reason and opportunity to do something great." -Brian Austin Whitney
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Great idea Brian, just hope we show balance and neutrality and do not look as if we are favouring anyone in particular as per other sites.
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http://www.songramp.comvariety of membership levels allows member uploads and downloads to buy private listening rooms with passwords for paid members webpage for all members http://www.soundclick.comsimilar site
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the new version of this message board allows for a pay pal function (i.e. pay to use certain or all areas of the boards). I am not sure if we'll use it.. but it has possibilities for some things... like special lessons or something where we can charge something to raise some much needed money for our upgrades.
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Brian Austin Whitney Founder Just Plain Folks jpfolkspro@gmail.com Skype: Brian Austin Whitney Facebook: www.facebook.com/justplainfolks"Don't sit around and wait for success to come to you... it doesn't know the way." -Brian Austin Whitney "It's easier to be the bigger man when you actually are..." -Brian Austin Whitney "Sometimes all you have to do to inspire humans to greatness is to give them a reason and opportunity to do something great." -Brian Austin Whitney
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the new version of this message board allows for a pay pal function (i.e. pay to use certain or all areas of the boards). I am not sure if we'll use it.. but it has possibilities for some things... like special lessons or something where we can charge something to raise some much needed money for our upgrades. Brian Excellent idea! JPF needs something besides "hats and T-shirts" to help support such a huge organization. I know you also take donations and on occasion special "donation drives" to help pay for one-time costs such as happened last year for this board upgrade. If you could offer some badly needed services right from this site for a reasonable "per use" fee, it would fit right in with everything you/we are already doing to help musicians and songwriters with their learning and career goals. You mentioned "special lessons", so to add to that, here's a few more ideas: 1. Expert consulting - this could include things like technical, marketing or legal advice, etc. 2. Professional advice - can include feedback on lyrics, melody, composition, songwriting, demos and performance, etc. I'm sure we could think of a few more! The idea would be to collect a fee for each unique service order which gets paid to the JPF "expert" service provider. Of course JPF would keep a percentage for administering these services. The percentage could range anywhere from 10% to 15% or whatever you can work out with the various consultants and service providers. In some cases, service providers might offer JPF to keep a larger share (e.g. 50%) or if they wish they can also contribute the full amount of one (or more) of their consulting jobs. This could give JPF a steady stream of monthly income while giving JPF members (musicians & songwriters) some great resources and personalized service for their various needs. It also gives professional mentors, consultants and specialized service providers an outlet to promote and practice their skills. In essence, it would work like a "curated" marketplace to bring experts together with various JPF members to fullfill their needs. Just kicking some ideas around! Michael
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Brian Here's a few more to add to your initial "master" list above.
General artist services: (in alphabetical order)
ArtistLaunch.com (Self promotion service for music artists, bands and songwriters) BandZoogle.com (Musician's hosting & DIY ecommerce sales solutions) ChristianSongwriters.org (Spreading the Gospel through music by networking with Christian songwriters worldwide) HarryFox.com (The foremost mechanical licensing, collection, and distribution agency for music publishers in the U.S. - HFA Songfile is the online song search and mechanical licensing tool for those who want to make 2,500 or fewer copies of a recording as a CD, cassette, LP, or digital download.) IndependentArtistRegistry.com (A national talent scouting & referral service used by the top 100 record labels and a quarter million music industry professionals to find up-and-coming independent artists ready to take the next step.) IndieKazoo.com (Musician's hosting and DIY ecommerce music sales service) Iodalliance.com (The industry-leading digital distribution company for the global independent music community.) Kunaki.com (affordable "Do It Yourself" online CD and DVD production service) MPA.org (Founded in 1895, the Music Publishers Association is the oldest music trade organization in the United States, fostering communication among publishers, dealers, music educators and all ultimate users of music.) MusiciansContact.com (Connecting musicians and singers to paying jobs since 1969) MusicPhoneBook.com (Music industry listings service) PureVolume.com (Self promotion service for artists & bands) SongwritersDirectory.com (The "best and most comprehensive" data base of Songwriters and Songwriter Resources on the Internet today!) Studiotrax.com (online musicians-for-hire talent pool marketplace) WebSiteMusicPlayer.com (online service to turn any website into a music store where the artists collect 100% of their sales)
---------- Music Licensing Services: Note: Most of these are FREE, but you're music has to get accepted to participate with their program.
audiolicense.com audiosparx.com (must be accepted, pays 50%) beatpick.com (must submitt music & be accepted, pays 50%) freeplaymusic.com iamusic.com (must have min. of 100 tracks to be accepted) licensemusic.com (this service is mostly for labels) magnatune.com (must submitt music and be accepted, pays 50%) nonstopmusic.com productiontrax.com pumpaudio.com (must be accepted, pays 50%) royaltyfreemusic.com rumblefish.com shockwave-sound.com songcatalog.com (specializes in music licensing for advertising uses; costs about $20/month for "starter" package) soundrangers.com tvmusic.com YouLicense.com (anyone can join for free and pay only 9% on completed licensing sales)
There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself. -- Johann Sebastian Bach MichaelBorges.comLicenseQuote.com
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Hi Brian, Here's some key sites I think people would find useful in no particular order. Facebook.com - A social networking site growing exponentially daily (250,000 sign ups per day). Could be used asuseful tool to communicate with fans. MusicSubmit.com - A place to distribute music that I've been watching for a couple years. Haven't done any tests with it yet though. (not sure if this is the same thing your referring to above "Music Promotion Sites (Music Submit)") MusicIndustryHosting.com - A place that offers hosting geared to musicians and is run by the same person as the link below. MusicMarketingtips.com - Lots of information on marketing music. Musicbizacademy.com - All kinds of great info. Also sells the book "How to Promote Your Music Successfully on the Internet" IndieBible.com/intro.shtml - Haven't read it but heard lots of good things about it. Aweber.com - One of the best hosted mailing list services. Very useful for building a list of fan emails for when you want to announce news about upcoming events/releases etc. Parabots.com - A good self-hosted mailing list script as an alternative to using a mailing list service like the one above. P.S. Great forum, looks like lots of interesting people and information here. Thanks, Dino
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Thanks for the specific examples guys... please continue to add more.
Our idea is to do 1 of 3 things:
1. Partner with the best of the best in a particular niche
2. If we don't think there is someone we want to partner with, then we may just do it ourselves.
3. If we determine it's just not something we want to get in the middle of, we'll do nothing. = )
I still don't forsee us charging a member fee. Instead, we might offer a slate of services as a separate thing. I want to keep JPF free for all. (Just Plain Free if you will..) But adding a slew of services ala carte all in one place with one single interface for musicians is what I have in mind. We have no interest in competing with our friends who do great work, so we're hoping that they'll want to work out a mutually beneficial partnership where either we endorse and facilitate folks using their service or they share a portion of fees collected from our members or trade other in kind services for the business. We're already partnered with some of the very best in the business in their fields and I don't forsee that changing.. just perhaps becoming more focused than in the past.
So any type of service, big or small, especially those that exist on the web in some way (i.e. web site features, hosting, radio, etc.) please post and let us know. If it makes sense, we may try to incorporate it in what we're working on.
Brian
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Brian, why can't you have different membership levels available like they do at songramp. The free version would allow people to do just what they are doing now but the paid membership could perhaps have their own page with song and or lyric samples and a big discount for services from the affiliates.
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Here's some more: Mediacoder.sourceforge.net - A free desktop software for converting between all kinds of audio and videos formats (including mobile devices). FLVPlayer.com - A good flash video player that embeds on your site if you want to self host high quality videos. PayPal MicroPayments - A PayPal account with a special per transaction rate of 5% + $0.05 as opposed to the regular rate of 2.9% + $0.30. This is ideal for people selling things like digital mp3 downloads under $12. Voices123.com - A huge freelance marketplace that allows people to offer and also buy voice talent services. All kinds of projects going on there like jingles, audio narration, commercials, radio spots etc. Guru.com - Another huge freelance marketplace for various services. The one category that might be of the most interest here is the 'Broadcasting'. Dino
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Michael B, Can you put all these together by category and then find all the examples you can for each? (This is basically what I needed for that project we discussed). So we'd have the category and then as many good examples as you can find: CD Manufacturers Disc Makers: www.discmakers.comOasis CD Duplication: www.oasiscdduplication.cometc. etc. I don't think we'd need more than say the top 4-5 of each category (unless there was a specific reason to have more). If anyone else wants to help Michael out, please let him know. Also, Kaley Willow offered to help with this project as well I think Michael.. send her a note and you can split it up to get it done quicker. I can use this info in a conference call I am having with our tech development friends. We're really looking at a broad based umbrella for all these services and companies. Brian
Brian Austin Whitney Founder Just Plain Folks jpfolkspro@gmail.com Skype: Brian Austin Whitney Facebook: www.facebook.com/justplainfolks"Don't sit around and wait for success to come to you... it doesn't know the way." -Brian Austin Whitney "It's easier to be the bigger man when you actually are..." -Brian Austin Whitney "Sometimes all you have to do to inspire humans to greatness is to give them a reason and opportunity to do something great." -Brian Austin Whitney
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I can putin some time today.....Brian... I've been locked up tight as can be the last 7.... sorry...thanks... kk
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Thanks Kaley.. this info will be quite useful.
Brian
Brian Austin Whitney Founder Just Plain Folks jpfolkspro@gmail.com Skype: Brian Austin Whitney Facebook: www.facebook.com/justplainfolks"Don't sit around and wait for success to come to you... it doesn't know the way." -Brian Austin Whitney "It's easier to be the bigger man when you actually are..." -Brian Austin Whitney "Sometimes all you have to do to inspire humans to greatness is to give them a reason and opportunity to do something great." -Brian Austin Whitney
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Michael B, Can you put all these together by category and then find all the examples you can for each? (This is basically what I needed for that project we discussed). So we'd have the category and then as many good examples as you can find: CD Manufacturers Disc Makers: www.discmakers.comOasis CD Duplication: www.oasiscdduplication.cometc. etc. I don't think we'd need more than say the top 4-5 of each category (unless there was a specific reason to have more). If anyone else wants to help Michael out, please let him know. Also, Kaley Willow offered to help with this project as well I think Michael.. send her a note and you can split it up to get it done quicker. I can use this info in a conference call I am having with our tech development friends. We're really looking at a broad based umbrella for all these services and companies. Brian Brian, Ok, just got back here today, but makes sense to sort these by category! I'll get it started and then post here (or wherever you want to "pin" it) and then I can edit and tweak as needed, or you can copy and paste to another place so you can give it a final "format". I'll get on this within the next day or two and post back! Michael
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Please get with Kaley so you guys can get twice as much done... things are heating up on our end and the sooner we have the info the better...
I'd like to end up with at least 20 clear cut services and 5 examples of each (if they exist). (More is even better.. but 20 would be the target minimum).
Brian
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Brian, I just finished the first "master" draft. It will be easy to add new categories and additional listings as we continue to get meaningful input from our members. By "meaningful" I mean folks that have actually USED (and are satisfied) with the services they are suggesting and recommending, otherwise we'll end up with a long page of "Googled" listings with little idea about relevance or quality. For example, most of the listings I've suggested (contributed) have been around for quit a while and I've been using them (successfully) or have been watching them and/or hearing good things from other musicians, etc. Regardless, we can never do enough "research" to properly vet out any of these resource listings. Attn: JPF members and volunteers (Kaley included!) You are all invited to suggest more listings here on this topic. Please see Suggestion guidelines below in my next post. We are going for QUALITY rather than just quanitity. Let's focus 1st on thos categories that don't have at least 5 listings yet, so please take a look and go from there. As new things get listed, I can add them and let Brian go over the list for final editing. Michael --------- Musician and Songwriter Services/Tools(Listed in alphabetical order by category and resource names) Booking Assistance Canadian Association of Fairs and Exhibitors: http://www.canadian-fairs.ca/con_prog.htmlInternational Entertainment Buyers Association: http://www.ieba.org/news.htmlNational Association of Campus Activities: http://www.naca.org/nacaSonic Bids: http://www.sonicbids.com The Folk Alliance: http://www.folk.orgCD DistributionAmazon: http://advantage.amazon.com/gp/vendor/public/joinCD Baby: http://www.cdbaby.com Comp10: http://compo10.com/MusicHosts.htmIndependent Artists Company: http://iacmusic.comIndie Rhythm: http://www.indierhythm.com The Orchard: http://www.theorchard.comCD/DVD ManufacturesDisc Makers: http://www.discmakers.comDiskFaktory: http://www.diskfaktory.comKunaki: http://www.kunaki.com Oasis CD Duplication: http://www.oasiscdduplication.comComposer & Songwriter Associations Alliance of Canadian Cinema Television and Radio Artists: http://www.actra.caAsian Composers League http://asiancomposersleague.comAssociation of Independant Music Publishers: http://www.aimp.orgChristian Songwriters: http://christiansongwriters.org Composers Association of New Zealand http://www.canz.net.nz/National Association of Composers, USA (NACUSA) http://www.music-usa.org/nacusaNSAI: http://www.nashvillesongwriters.comSongwriters Directory: http://www.songwritersdirectory.comThe Society of Composers and Lyricists: http://www.thescl.comCopyrights & Legal ResourcesCanadian Song Depository c/o Songwriters Association of Canada: http://www.songwriters.ca/SRV30.phpCopyright – U.S. Copyright Office: http://www.copyright.govGo Copyright - http://www.gocopyright.comOnline – U.S. Copyright Office: http://www.copyright.gov/eco/beta-request.htmlPublic Domain Music: http://www.pdinfo.comThe Musicians Guide Through The Legal Jungle: http://www.legaljungleguide.comVolunteer Lawyers For The Arts: http://www.vlany.orgDigital DistributionCatapult - http://www.catapultdistribution.comCDBaby: http://cdbaby.netIndependent Online Digital Alliance: http://www.iodalliance.com TuneCore: http://www.tunecore.com Watunes: http://www.watunes.comEducation & Information Resources Berklee College of Music: http://www.berkleemusic.com/school/coursesBillboard: http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/index.jspColumbia University Music & Arts: http://www.columbia.edu/cu/lweb/indiv/music/index.htmlHarvard Library for music scholars: http://hcl.harvard.edu/research/guides/music/resources/meta.htmlHome Recording: http://homerecording.comIrving S. Gilmore Music Library: http://www.library.yale.edu/musiclib/muslib.htmMix Online: http://mixonline.comMusic Biz Academy: http://www.musicbizacademy.com Muses Muse: http://www.musesmuse.com SongU: http://www.songu.com Songwriter101: http://songwriter101.com/aboutSound On Sound: http://www.soundonsound.comThe National Association for Music Education: http://www.menc.orgEntertainment AttorneysPenn State - The Dickinson School of Law: http://www.dsl.psu.edu/clinic/artsports.cfm Independent A&R Independent Artist Registry: http://www.independentartistregistry.com Taxi: http://www.taxi.com Internet Radio/Streaming Broadcast LastFM: http://www.last.fmLive 365: http://www.live365.com/broadcast Pandora: http://www.pandora.comMusical Instruments & Supply Retailers Folk Of The Wood: http://www.folkofthewood.comGuitar Center: http://www.guitarcenter.comLark In The Morning: http://larkinthemorning.com McCabe's Guitar Shop: http://www.mccabes.comMusicians Friend: http://www.musiciansfriend.com Sam Ash: http://www.samash.comSweet Water: http://www.sweetwater.com ZZ Sounds: http://www.zzounds.com Music Licensing Services Harry Fox: http://www.harryfox.com LicenseQuote: http://www.licensequote.comPump Audio: http://www.pumpaudio.com Song Catalog: http://musicnet.songcatalog.com/InfoVersus Media - Placing music in film: http://www.versusmedia.comYou License: http://www.youlicense.com Music Marketing Resources Ariel Hyatt Publicity: http://www.arielpublicity.comBob Baker: http://www.bob-baker.comFilm Music World: http://www.filmmusicworld.comIndie Bible: http://www.indiebible.com Nashville Music Business Directory: http://www.nashvilleconnection.com Music Marketing: http://musicmarketing.comMusic Phonebook: http://www.musicphonebook.com Music Publisher’s Association: http://www.mpa.org Musician's Atlas: http://www.musiciansatlas.comThe Music Business Registry: http://www.musicregistry.comMusic News and Press Beat Wire: http://www.beatwire.com Media Futurist Gerd Leonhard: http://www.mediafuturist.comMusic Industry News Network: http://www.mi2n.com Music Dish: http://musicdish.comPR Web Press Release Newswire: http://www.prweb.com Music Organizations Chritian Songwriters: http://christiansongwriters.orgFilmgravity: http://www.filmgravity.comFilm Music Network: http://www.filmmusic.netJust Plain Folks: http://www.jpfolks.com Music Publisher's Association - 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There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself. -- Johann Sebastian Bach MichaelBorges.comLicenseQuote.com
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didn't see your note, Michael... You have much of what I have....but I have some additions.... will email you. best, Kaley
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didn't see your note, Michael... You have much of what I have....but I have some additions.... will email you. best, Kaley Thanks Kaley! Ok, I'll look for your email, but if possible please post any additional suggestions right here on this topic. If you know of any other volunteers (official or not), please encourage them to drop by here to view our list and then help fill in the "blanks" for any services or categories we may have missed or that need additional listings, etc. As suggested above, I'm now asking folks to post up to 3 recommendations (per person) according to these... Resource suggestion guidlines:1. Check to make sure your suggestions are NOT already on our master list as shown above. 2. Suggest a product, service or organization that you've recently used and/or have had some positive or meaningful experience with; even if just by word-of-mouth or because you'd be very interested in using such service/tool as soon as you might need it. 3. Please be sure to include: suggested CATEGORY, official product or service TITLE and complete URL. 4. If possible, please include a brief discription (one or two sentences) of any positive experience or success with your suggested listing. Note: If you list more than one suggestion for the same category, please list in alphabetical order for easy copy & pasting, thanks! 5. Optional: If a listing is already included, please feel free to post a brief description of any positive info or experience you've already had with that resource. Quality control:If there are any products, services or tools currently listed which you believe are bad or negative (i.e. evil or scammy), please post your experience and reason for wanting us to consider removing such listing. Keep in mind that not all services/tools are alike and even the BEST services may not meet every artist's needs depending on their level of skills, focus or goals, etc. Let's continue! Please invite your fellow members and songwriter friends to drop by and review our list. I'd like to see many more JPF members (10 - 100+) stop by and suggest more services/tools to add to our list. I think we have a great start but this is NOT a "one-man show" or project. We're all in this together and Brian, Kaley and I need everyone's input so we can build the best possible resource list to help our community. Thanks! Michael
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Michael,
Audiosparx has to come off the list. I find them to be both sleazy and unprofessional to the highest degree. Their idiotic and vicious attacks on me when I was helping Tammy went so far over the top that we could and would never endorse them and we'd always want to warn members to steer way clear of them.
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Michael, Audiosparx has to come off the list. I find them to be both sleazy and unprofessional to the highest degree. Their idiotic and vicious attacks on me when I was helping Tammy went so far over the top that we could and would never endorse them and we'd always want to warn members to steer way clear of them. Brian Brian, Ok, I understand. It's just been removed. Let's hope that in the future they can fix or improve their public relations and perhaps we can consider giving them a another chance. Michael
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Thanks Mike! I've heard of most of these and will start adding them to our master list. Cheers! Michael
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testing will be back in minute... Here's some more.... BOOKING ASSISTANCE TOOLS International College Bookings: http://www.icbtalent.com/home.htmMUSIC NEWS & PRESS Music Dish: articles, interviews from music industry, practical tips for artists http://musicdish.comMusic Industry News Network: Up to the minute industry music news and stories http://www.mi2n.comMISCELLANEOUS Songwriters Hall Of Fame: A virtual museum of songwriting history; also showcases and workshops http://www.songwritershalloffame.orgCD DISTRIBUTION: (or maybe Misc?) COMPO10: A comparison information site of 80 or more hosting and distribution sites. http://compo10.com/MusicHosts.htmThe Orchard: digital distributor, promotor, marketer for Indie's http://www.theorchard.com *Under MUSIC ORGANIZATIONS, Unless someone knows something bad about these folks, this looks good: Songs Alive: 20 chapters worldwide, Australian based non-profit organization dedicated to nurturing and promoting songwriters and composers. http://www.songsalive.orgSongwriters Association of Canada (SAC): Association committed to the development and recognition of Canadian composers, lyricists, and songwriters. http://www.songwriters.ca/MUSIC MARKETING: The Musician's Atlas, Printed Version or On-line Resource http://www.musiciansatlas.comMusic Marketing[Dot]Com: Specializes in internet and street promotion for Indies. http://musicmarketing.comMaybe? Nashville Music Business Directory and Entertainment Guide: A complete yellow-pages type telephone directory to the Nashville Music Industry. http://www.nashvilleconnection.comslow but sure... ...y'all know about turtles.... be back.
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That's a GREAT category to add Kaley.. thanks!
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Wonderful Kaley! Will start adding these right away!! Attn: Everyone!As of today, January 23, here's where we need some help to "populate" categories for which we don't have at least 5 entries yet: Copyright Registration
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CD/DVD ManufacturesIndependent A&R Internet Radio/Streaming Broadcast Music Demo Services Music Licensing Sites Music Promotion Sites Music Storage, Downloads and Sales Political Representation Public Networking Sites Search Engines [/b] Note: I'm not too concerned about search engines since there's only about 3 major ones that all the rest work off of, but if you have any that are geared specifically for helping music artists, bands, songwriters or music publishers, please post them. Songwriter Association Networks Thanks, Michael
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Glad to help....brainstorming a bit.... Just some thoughts...... Do we want anything like an Insurance Category. I know there's several Insurance Companies that cater to Musicians?..... what about the Grammy Organization....I believe that the organization itself is a lot more than the Awards.... (NARAS) what about tipsheets?..... and newsletters?.... Music Consultants? How about...Audio-Visual Media Tip Sheets (hadn't heard of that one before....but they're out there...and they tell you who needs music...what they need and how to get to them..... i.e. http://www.mandy.com , then look under post production / composers http://www.cuesheet.netlooking for composers http://www.thescl.com (The Society of Composers and Lyricists) This is fun.!!!....Needed a diversion from what I was working on ..... best y'all Kaley Piano Melodies and Demos: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=8404&content=musicChildren Songs: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=6469&content=musicWyman and Kaley's Andy & Friends CD http://cdbaby.com/cd/kwwg
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Kaley, I just added some of your suggestions and here's some input on the rest: Audio-Visual Media - I'm not opposed, but let's get Brian's input first. He'll know best how this may (or may not) fit with his overall vision for this resource listing project. Grammy Organization - Again, let's see what Brian has in mind. Perhaps it might conflict with the JPF song awards, but if not, perhaps Brian would like to list this under our current "Songwriter Association Networks" or other (appropriate) category. Insurance Category - Sounds Ok to me. This might be useful to full-time or touring musicians. Let's see what Brian says. Music Consultants - these can be listed under Music Marketing Resources. Newsletters - these can be listed under the Miscellaneous (books, newsletters, magazines, etc.) category. Note: I justed added "newsletters" as an item that goes along with the Miscellaneous category. Tipsheets - these can be listed under the Music Marketing Resources category. Society of Composers and Lyricist - Thanks! This has just been added to the Songwriter Association Networks category. Michael
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I want to make sure that we give attention to artist/musician stuff as much as songwriter stuff. There's tons of resources for songwriters and for finished recordings.. but what about artists trying to develop their career? I've always felt JPF did more to help artists than anyone else out there. Most orgs. are songwriter focused. Though we obviously do mostly songwriter stuff on the message boards, the rest of the org activities (newsletter, roadtrips, chapters, music awards) have an artist support tilt to them.
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I want to make sure that we give attention to artist/musician stuff as much as songwriter stuff. There's tons of resources for songwriters and for finished recordings.. but what about artists trying to develop their career? I've always felt JPF did more to help artists than anyone else out there. Most orgs. are songwriter focused. Though we obviously do mostly songwriter stuff on the message boards, the rest of the org activities (newsletter, roadtrips, chapters, music awards) have an artist support tilt to them. Brian Yes, I see what you mean. In other words we want to offer resources that will help career potential artists get into "1st gear" and beyond, all the way up to cruising speed! Several of our categories already address these needs, such as: Booking Assistance (Sonic Bids and other agencies) Digital Distribution (e.g. IODA for indie record labels) Independent A&R (i.e Taxi, etc.) Music Demo Services (e.g. Session Players can help bring income opportunities to performers or help artists finish a new recording project, etc.) Music Licensing Sites (Pump Audio, etc.) Music Marketing Resources (Bob Baker, Indie Bible) Music News & Press (can help artists get affordable publicity) Music Promotion Sites (General artist/band promotion) Musician Website Hosting (shop around for the best service deals) I was thinking of suggesting an "indie friendly" Record Labels category. For example, Bad Man Records (label) is very indie friendly and does some networking with CD Baby and was recently featured on one of their podcasts. A few of our JPF members are also signed with Magnatune which gives them tons of free exposure and licensing income opportunities. Maybe we can come up with a good list of indie labels that are trustworthy and receptive towards new "career building" acts and talent. Another good category might be Music Publishers. Again, these would have to be indie friendly or maybe just a list of resources that can help career-minded songwriters learn how to effectively publish their own music. Most start with only a few of their own songs and later grow by adding on new material from co-writers and other project contacts, etc. So those are my new proposed categories with a "career tilt": Record Labels and Music Publishers. Any other categories that might help the serious career-minded artists? Michael
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Michael,
I just realized my comment read wrong. I didn't mean to imply that there weren't already musician resources listed, just that I want folks who are adding stuff to think about that stuff as well. For example, are there any sites out there who offer technology to do co-recordings? (i.e. multiple people adding tracks to the same song). I think there are.. but don't know the sites. (Tonos used to do that actually).
Also, Wikipedia is a good resource site. I use it daily to look stuff up. Has anyone used that WikiRyhmer site?
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Michael,
I just realized my comment read wrong. I didn't mean to imply that there weren't already musician resources listed, just that I want folks who are adding stuff to think about that stuff as well. For example, are there any sites out there who offer technology to do co-recordings? (i.e. multiple people adding tracks to the same song). I think there are.. but don't know the sites. (Tonos used to do that actually).
Also, Wikipedia is a good resource site. I use it daily to look stuff up. Has anyone used that WikiRyhmer site?
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Brian, I understand Studiotraxx.com offers something like an online co-recording collaboration tool, for web based recording projects. Wikipedia is a helpful resource for many small or larger projects. In the last year I've used it several times to confirm some important bits of information and include some public domain images for some of my project. BTW, I don't think I misunderstood what you were saying, but it made me realize that we need a good balance of resources for both the new songwriters as well as the more experienced career-track artists. Ideally we'll have a range of resources that will help everyone from the beginner to the most experienced. Michael
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Here's a few more: http://www.actra.ca/actra/control/main (Alliance of Canadian Cinema Television and Radio Artists) entertainment association, a lot of musicians join this and AFTRA when they work on radio and tv as "personalities" as well as musicians. http://www.aimp.org/ (Association of Independant Music Publishers) music marketing http://www.music44.com/ (the Sheet Music Store, sheet music, books, dvd's etc.)
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Thanks Niteshift & Mike! Your suggestions have all been added except for "The Sheet Music Store".
Mike, can you explain how that works? Is it a place for artists to sell their sheet music? Do they work directly with indie artists or do artists need to go through a distributor or publisher to get their music into this store?
Also, which category would it best fit under? Were you thinking "Musical Instruments & Supply Retailers". I guess the keywords would be "supply retailers", but I want to know a bit more about this service. Have you used them to buy sheet music or mainly to sell your sheet music? Any insights or experience (past or present) will help.
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Hey Michael,
The Sheet Music Store is a store that sells sheet music online. You can buy sheet music, books, like the Alfred books or the Hal Leonard books, they have choral music, instruction methods for instruments (like the Mel Bay method or the Suzuki Method), wedding music, band music, that kind of thing.
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Kaley, Ok, looks like some good new suggestions! No need to send them to me, just them right here on this topic. I'll be adding recommended suggestions to our master list so this will be the most efficient way to post/publish the list were it goes "live" instantly and everyone can review it! If you don't mind, please repost your suggestions in this format as follows: Category = Music Storage, Downloads and Sales Garageband.com: http://www.garageband.com That way I'll know what your intended/recommended category is and I can simply "copy & paste" into the master list. Thanks! Michael
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Hey Michael, The Sheet Music Store is a store that sells sheet music online. You can buy sheet music, books, like the Alfred books or the Hal Leonard books, they have choral music, instruction methods for instruments (like the Mel Bay method or the Suzuki Method), wedding music, band music, that kind of thing. Mike, Ok, I see what you mean... it's a music sheets & supplies retail store. That might fit best in our "Musical Instruments & Supply Retailers" category, though it could also be cross-referenced in our "Publications (books, newsletters, magazines, etc.)" category. I'll have to think about it, but most likely the "... Supply Retailers" category will be the best fit. Only problem is that there must be 1,000's of these kinds of retail stores and of course we can't list them all. Michael
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Kaley, Ok, that's perfect! Regarding the Legal Resources, maybe we can combine Copyrights with Legal like this: "Copyrights & Legal Assistance" We can start with that and later tweak as needed. I've just added them all. Thanks! Michael
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Or perhaps we should have a category for Entertainment Attorneys.
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Or perhaps we should have a category for Entertainment Attorneys. Ok, good idea Brian! I just added Entertainment Attorneys as a category but I'll let you suggest the first few listings. I know you have some attorney friends (some active on this Mentor Forum) that will probably be happy to get listed! Please list a few to get us started and we'll go from there. I also "tidied up" the alphabetical sorting of our category listings. I've been tweaking the headings and in the process some things got out of wack, so I'll fix things as we go. If I missed anything, please let me know. Regards, Michael
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Howdi,..... I know this is more a songwriter category suggestion, but should we list those folks who help writers on an individual basis? i.e., Harriet Schock, John Braheny, Barbara Cloyd, Jason Blume? and their web sites? and... Are we interested in listing demo studios at various price ranges? Kaley, Some more good ideas, thanks! "Songwriter Coaches" might work as a category title for individual (personalized) coaching. If Brian approves, I'm sure we could add this resource category. Currently we have "Demo Services", but we could change it to "Demo Services & Studios" and see how long the list gets. Later we can cross reference details such as price ranges if needed. What do you think Brian? Thanks, Michael
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What about.....Musician Grants, Residencies, Retreats as a category? and here's another for the legal category, if wanted. Copyrights & Legal Resources: Volunteer Lawyers For The Arts http://www.vlany.org/resources/index.phpPublications (books, newsletters, magazines, etc.) OR Independent A&R ( If wanted, not sure which category?): The Bandit A & R Newsletter: http://www.banditnewsletter.com/index.htmWhat's been an eye opener for me in reseaching is how quickly organizations, web sites, etc up and disappear. Truly, Brian ...a tip of the Hat to you...on longevity. best.... Kaley Melodies and Demos: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=8404&content=musicChildren Songs: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=6469&content=musicWyman and Kaley's Andy & Friends CD http://cdbaby.com/cd/kwwg
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What about.....Musician Grants, Residencies, Retreats as a category? and here's another for the legal category, if wanted. Copyrights & Legal Resources: Volunteer Lawyers For The Arts http://www.vlany.org/resources/index.phpPublications (books, newsletters, magazines, etc.) OR Independent A&R ( If wanted, not sure which category?): The Bandit A & R Newsletter: http://www.banditnewsletter.com/index.htmWhat's been an eye opener for me in reseaching is how quickly organizations, web sites, etc up and disappear. Truly, Brian ...a tip of the Hat to you...on longevity. Thanks Kaley! I couldn't resist "Volunteer Lawyers", so I added it even though I never heard of them before. I'm sure Brian won't mind, but he has the final "say" on all listings, so no worries. Bandit A&R Newsletter came to my attention about a year ago from a fellow CD Baby artist (Andy Martin) living and touring heavily in Europe. I looked it over and it does sounds like a pretty solid resource. Their based in the UK, Editor - John Waterman, and have been serving the music industry for over 20 years. Grants, residencies and retreats sound interesting. Here's my thoughts: Grants will be either private or publically funded, so it's up to each artist to check out the "program" and see what fits them best and what kind of "strings" if any are attached. Residencies might fit under the broader "Education" category and Retreats might be included together with Conventions, Seminars and "Road Rallies". I'm sure there's a ton of those around. The best private "grant" (think investment) program I heard of is called Artist Share: http://www.artistshare.comAmazingly they developed a program that funds artist's new projects directly from their fans who 'invest' in various opportunities. The service takes only a 15% administration cut and otherwise is free to qaulifying artists. I'm pretty sure Brian has heard of this and I'm sure he'd be supportive of these kinds of private funding plans. And yes, it's true that there's a very high turn-over rate among internet based businesses. Purely online products & services have to be phenominal to survive for very long against all the global competition on the net. So that's another thing to watch for... How long has a service been around and building a good reputation? Then there's also some exceptions to the rule, such as when cool new services blossom up overnight like the college kids that started sites like amiestreet.com and PureVolume.com That reminds me, we should probably add Amie Street! You can check it out here: http://amiestreet.com/page/aboutHere's what they say: "...we price music right - all songs start free and rise in price the more they are purchased. Our dynamic prices allow fans to buy music without breaking the bank and they serve as a useful tool for finding great music. We support our artists by giving them 70% of song sales and never taking ownership of their creative work. We want all artists on Amie Street to be successful and we believe that our unique marketplace will accomplish this goal to a degree never achieved before." I heard last summer that one of the larger indie labels signed a deal with Amie Street to promote their whole catalog! I think this is an indication that they developed a viable marketplace concept. Michael
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Could I suggest a structured approach that also assisted in the process of using the links possibly like the one below. Sorry I did post this on another forum on jpfolks. 1. Build your team 1.1 Secure legal representative (Music or entertainment experience, Build rapport and ensure trust) 1.2 Secure accountant (Music or entertainment experience, Preferably local) 2. Document song including copyright notice. 3. Record song as professionally as your equipment will allow. 4. Engage in constructive criticism 4.1 http://www.jpfolks.com5.Get it out there. 5.1 Seeking someone else to record and publish it. 5.1.1 http://www.TAXI.com5.1.2 Local talent quests 5.1.3 Pound the pavement 5.2 Seeking someone to record you and publish it. 5.2.1 http://www.TAXI.com5.2.2 Local talent quests 5.2.3 Engage publisist to help 5.3 Seeking to record yourself and publish through independant label. 5.3.1 indie 5.3.2 iTunes 5.3.3 etc... 6.Receive interest in the song 6.1 Receive copy of contract 6.2 Have legal representative check contract 6.3 Sign contract 7.Join royalty collection agency 7.1 BMI (US) 7.2 SESAC (US) 7.3 ASCAP (US) 7.4 APRA/AMCOS (Australia) Cheers
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