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You do have an ego on every song a hit , sounds good man for a robot. Use a little WD 40 for the vocals. Call the robot a whore , See if he kicks your ass. They're deathly afraid of water , rust and all. They get a hard on with 220 volts. They jerk off to a washer and dryer . ooooo baby. Well all I got .
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We’re all built from the same dust and dreams, Different roads, but the same means.
ha ha ha , I'm thinking more like heroin like James Taylor. How did that guy makes sense with a needle in his arm. Or Ray Charles with 25 kids , I guess he liked sex , well duh. Miles Davis was bit grumpy
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We’re all built from the same dust and dreams, Different roads, but the same means.
ha ha ha , I'm thinking more like heroin like James Taylor. How did that guy makes sense with a needle in his arm. Or Ray Charles with 25 kids , I guess he liked sex , well duh
Ive seen the needle and the damage done.
This pere song is probably the greatest songg about heroin addiction i know of.
And totally unrelatable right,? Ive never done drugs, i still relate to this song. Moves me every time
oh I've done every drug , kind how it was in the early 70ties . Peace love and all that . Oh well all the past now . don't matter. Free sex was fun with hippy girls . Oh the bygone days. Are you coming to San Fransico . You bet . Make love not war , works for me
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We’re all built from the same dust and dreams, Different roads, but the same means.
No Dom it is something in the production that I "need" ...just seems to be something missing.
Yeah getting good sound was always a challenge for me. I dont think of this as a finished product though, its more of a sketch.
I wouldn't be using somebody else's voice and such.
When I switch to suno first thing im gonna do os sung a [naughty word removed] load of songs a capella. Then im guaranteed owner of the lyric and melody, and I will see how suno supports me.
Then I might try going in first with guitar and riffs, and see how suno follows.
For the hundred songs I did with just kyrics triggering music, ill use ideas I liked.and bend them around a bit
To me this song is over produced, very radio polished, and not something I could replicate.
But at very least I expect to have alot of fun with it sll
Interesting, I have a bridge i can use for this, but the way its presented here. This is plenty, if i take that key change at very end, music for 8 bars or so, and then just repeat pre chorus snd chorus againn, a bridge wouldn't be needed.
I think this teaches us that songs are produced more than they are written.
When I switch to suno first thing im gonna do os sung a [naughty word removed] load of songs a capella. Then im guaranteed owner of the lyric and melody, and I will see how suno supports me.
No. You are not guaranteed. When you upload your song to SUNO's platform, you are along for the ride. The moment that SUNO makes any kind of production, all bets are off regarding ownership, a cappela or anything else.
At this point, I don't think that SUNO even knows how it all washes out.
Theoretically, you will always retain ownership over the lyrics, which they can promote if they used them in their production... with nothing owed to you.
They did not create a masterful machine that can turn bad songs into impressive ones, primarily for the sake of people who write the bad songs.
If not for SUNO, your "songs" would have forever remained just scribblings in a shoe box...and they know it. Your songs exist in somewhat presentable form only because of SUNO, and they know that also.
And they are going to write their TERMS OF SERVICE accordingly.
When I switch to suno first thing im gonna do os sung a [naughty word removed] load of songs a capella. Then im guaranteed owner of the lyric and melody, and I will see how suno supports me.
No. You are not guaranteed. When you upload your song to SUNO's platform, you are along for the ride. The moment that SUNO makes any kind of production, all bets are off regarding ownership, a cappela or anything else.
At this point, I don't think that SUNO even knows how it all washes out.
Theoretically, you will always retain ownership over the lyrics, which they can promote if they used them in their production... with nothing owed to you.
They did not create a masterful machine that can turn bad songs into impressive ones, because their first priority is people who write the bad songs.
If not for SUNO, your "songs" would have forever remained just scribblings in a shoe box...and they know it. Your songs exist in somewhat presentable form only because of SUNO, and they know that also.
And they are going to write their TERMS OF SERVICE accordingly.
Wrong a song is by definition, lyric and melody, its all the copyright one can get.
You can not copyright.. A chord progression, a arrangement, a groove or beat.
So just by you typing your lyric in, they would be forced to reveal you did. Meanwhile you already have lyrucs copyrighted the minute you type them somewhere.
Now granted, the difference between millions of melodies out there, is negligible.
But at very least you are just as much the songwriter entering lyric and melody into suno, as you are sending it to a demo service.
I think the artist is as important or more importsnt than the work.
They are the product.
Its just more a knowing you done right creating the song
You and I have no real way of knowing how any of this plays out. We are not players and the game is in progress. We are not even in the stadium.
But the difference between you and me is that I try hard to let reality reveal itself to be whatever-it-is. I don't try to mold It in my mind, and then tell the world what it is.
Over the years, I've had some legal wranglings and one thing that I am sure of...
regardless of what the facts may appear to be in black letters, precedent or anything else...certainty regarding an ultimate legal verdict is unknowable until it is history.
I suggest that you watch some of the young attorneys videos and then try to familiarize yourself with SUNO's terms of service, and then try to keep the legal connotations of might-is-right in the front of your mind.
Because right now, you're just tawkin outcha butt, like you always do.
The risk of that is that some unknowing reader might think that you know what you are talking about.
You and I have no real way of knowing how any of this plays out. We are not players and the game is in progress. We are not even in the stadium.
But the difference between you and me is that I try hard to let reality reveal itself to be whatever-it-is. I don't try to mold It in my mind, and then tell the world what it is.
Over the years, I've had some legal wranglings and one thing that I am sure of...
regardless of what the facts may appear to be in black letters, precedent or anything else...certainty regarding an ultimate legal verdict is unknowable until it is history.
I suggest that you watch some of the young attorneys videos and then try to familiarize yourself with SUNO's terms of service, and then try to keep the legal connotations of might-is-right in the front of your mind.
Because right now, you're just tawkin outcha butt, like you always do.
The risk of that is that someone unknowing reader might think that you know what you are talking about.
I would agree that the fact ai is using whatever info it gets from users and Spotify etc, for its basis of everything, that the likihood of them recycling your ideas is great.
But its already doing that to professionals, and not compensating them.
Its a very real thing.
Its a bit weird to think about, but it has the capacity to create bad stuff as much as good stuff, it doesnt know the difference.
The reason it sounds so good now, is cause its stealing top level productions.
If it starts stealing bad [naughty word removed] from the billions of users, it might actually get worse.
The only thing it cant do is something truly original. A unique title, or sequence of chords, drum sounds etc, it excels at the past.
But end of day not using it, doesnt help us any more than using it.
For me knowing I created the basis of it, is reward enough
I would agree that the fact ai is using whatever info it gets from users and Spotify etc, for its basis of everything, that the likihood of them recycling your ideas is great.
But its already doing that to professionals, and not compensating them.
Its a very real thing.
I
Not long ago you were arguing the reverse. Your self-centered reason for doing so (at that time) was the assertion that whether machines or humans, lifting ideas has been going on forever so there is no foul when a machine does it.
So the machines that were now turning your shoe-box-scribblings into songs were completely legitimate to use, and no theft was involved.
Now, all of a sudden, its uncompensated theft.
Dom, your inconsistency and hypocrisy is getting boring.
Search "fair use." From what little that I know, if I was on a jury, my vote would come down to whether this was "fair use"...or not.
From a very limited vantage...I lean towards Suno being fair use.
Theft of intellectual property with no compensation has been going on for years in the music industry. Like the saying goes..."Nobody whistles in Nashville."
One glaring example is TIME by Rita Coolidge and LAYLA. Theft and intimidation. And there are thousands whose voices were never heard.
I would agree that the fact ai is using whatever info it gets from users and Spotify etc, for its basis of everything, that the likihood of them recycling your ideas is great.
But its already doing that to professionals, and not compensating them.
Its a very real thing.
I
Not long ago you were arguing the reverse. Your self-centered reason for doing so (at that time) was the assertion that whether machines or humans, lifting ideas has been going on forever so there is no foul when a machine does it.
So the machines that were now turning your shoe-box-scribblings into songs were completely legitimate to use, and no theft was involved.
Now, all of a sudden, its uncompensated theft.
Dom, your inconsistency and hypocrisy is getting boring.
Search "fair use." From what little that I know, if I was on a jury, my vote would come down to whether this was "fair use"...or not.
From a very limited vantage...I lean towards Suno being fair use.
Theft of intellectual property with no compensation has been going on for years in the music industry. Like the saying goes..."Nobody whistles in Nashville."
One glaring example is TIME by Rita Coolidge and LAYLA. Theft and intimidation. And there are thousands whose voices were never heard.
I still say that. Artists have stolen basicly everything they write has been used before. The overall pov of the artist is unique. Their personality
It becomes different, when billion dollar companies are stealing too, but your not allowed to steal from said company
Write something that displays consistency with positions that you have taken in the past so that it can be ascertained whether you actually believe in any principals or just argue like a scattered fool with nothing more than an on-off switch.
Try to present your position in a rational and coherent matter so that it can be ascertained whether or not you are capable of rational and coherent thought.
Write something that displays consistency with positions that you have taken in the past so that it can be ascertained whether you actually believe in any principals or just argue like a scattered fool with nothing more than an on-off switch.
Try to present your position in a rational and coherent matter so that it can be ascertained whether or not you are capable of rational and coherent thought.
Then, I will have enough information to respond.
Right, the king of "what i said yesterday, is different today, but let me go back to that Thursday"
Did you know the cave man ate their dead ? I guess we could do that now to cut down on 4k boxes . Festive occasion and a family barbecue of Uncle Fred ,
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